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Old 08-11-2022, 01:43 AM   #7551
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I think the Motortrend editors must be smoking something.

Back in 02, when SOA deemed us worthy of the WRX, they at least stuffed a new (to the US) engine (EJ205) under the hood, and the car actually did seem "special". Over the next few years, the US continued to get "special" engines (EJ257/5/3/eieo). With the passage of time, the engine continued to feel "special", albeit with a different connotation.

Twenty years later, SOA stuffed a detuned crossover engine (that we already get) under the hood. I'm not feeling the "homologation special" vibes here. More like "parts bin special" or maybe "short bus special"...

And "rawness" like the 02 era cars? Come on. Motortrend is seeing ghosts.

Still, I'm glad that SOA bothered to continue with importing the WRX at all. I just wish they would have not pulled a Mitsubishi-esque WRXcross rabbit out of their hat...
Donít even entertain him. Heís never owned a GC,GD, etc. The way he posts and talks here something is clearly very wrong. Itís even crazier he doesnít even own one.
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Old 08-11-2022, 01:44 AM   #7552
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"Beyond the test track, there's never a shortage of grip in the WRX. In fact, the car still feels like the homologation Impreza model first issued decades ago so Subaru could compete with it in the World Rally Championship. There was a rawness to the old WRX that made the Subaru a fitting sparring partner for its former nemesis, the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, itself an AWD rally car for the streets. Some of that spirit-papered over by years of development-is still alive in the WRX today."


My 2016 didnít even feel 1/3rd raw as my GD does. Just go away
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:13 AM   #7553
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Donít even entertain him. Heís never owned a GC,GD, etc. The way he posts and talks here something is clearly very wrong. Itís even crazier he doesnít even own one.
Check the join date, dude.
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Old 08-11-2022, 01:16 PM   #7554
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Check the join date, dude.
I hate to defend r4 but I'm pretty sure he was talking about the MT author.
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Old 08-11-2022, 02:16 PM   #7555
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I hate to defend r4 but I'm pretty sure he was talking about the MT author.
No heís talking about a certain someone here.
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Old 08-11-2022, 02:48 PM   #7556
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No heís talking about a certain someone here.
AH right how could I miss that.
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Old 08-11-2022, 02:50 PM   #7557
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I had no idea there was a rule that precluded someone from owning an Impreza that is older than their join date?

I really need to go back and read the NASIOC charter document.
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Old 08-11-2022, 02:50 PM   #7558
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me: on ebay motors *click buy now on 1998 2.5RS
ebay motors: denies purchase based on NASIOC join date
me: *flips table
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Old 08-11-2022, 03:34 PM   #7559
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I had no idea there was a rule that precluded someone from owning an Impreza that is older than their join date?

I really need to go back and read the NASIOC charter document.
I think maybe this is flying over your head a bit. The guy is a straight up troll.
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Old 08-11-2022, 03:36 PM   #7560
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I think maybe this is flying over your head a bit. The guy is a straight up troll.
Just so I am clear, this is actually about S6, who has a 2015 join date?
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:20 PM   #7561
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I think maybe this is flying over your head a bit. The guy is a straight up troll.
Which one lol
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:24 PM   #7562
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AFD threw like 10k into getting the paint matched and whatever else. Essentially the price of an STI, minus the performance upgrades. I actually like my cladding, wont have to get s*** painted if a smaller fender bender occurs. But they should have painted them or at least offered like... idk an option code (off-road package, flaps preinstalled with the all weather goodies, even the addition of Star-tex). But over at the shop that sponsors him (Aeroflowdynamics - probs an employee), they're offering the total paint + wing as some sort of package. But as people have mentioned, shouldn't of had to be a thing offered by an aftermarket shop. I definitely think it had to due with COVID and the agreed shipment of WRX's that were planned to come months or even a year in advance with the Feds. No doubt the vehicle got rushed out to meet the timed quota, along with the EPA bs. I wish they had some kind of leaked info about whatever the STI test mule was. A 47,000 dollar base interior VB with all the performance goodies + STI numbers no doubt, with a MPG that made Govt Karen's have a meltdown.
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:54 PM   #7563
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I think maybe this is flying over your head a bit. The guy is a straight up troll.
nothing goes over my head! my reflexes are too fast, I would catch it.
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:01 PM   #7564
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My 2016 didnít even feel 1/3rd raw as my GD does. Just go away

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Old 08-11-2022, 05:03 PM   #7565
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No he's talking about a certain someone here.
Is it his imaginary friend that works for Subaru ?
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Back in 02, when SOA deemed us worthy of the WRX, they at least stuffed a new (to the US) engine (EJ205) under the hood, and the car actually did seem "special". Over the next few years, the US continued to get "special" engines (EJ257/5/3/eieo). With the passage of time, the engine continued to feel "special", albeit with a different connotation.
Ding! Ding! Ding! (repetitively) /Hector Salamanca.

Gather round the fire, kids...

And you know who came over to subaru en masse when this happened? Anyone that had known of and couldn't afford at the time, or, those that had owned, a DSM, or specifically a Turbo AWD DSM, and were tired of the crankwalk and things breaking all the time (many were 5-6-7-8 year old rustboxes, and they did rust easy).

For those that were there when it was originally written in the scrolls, when things started with ChryCo and Mitsu and Starquest, they figured that had something special. Then the Trio came (Eclipse/Talon/Laser) and flipped import tuning on its ear where you had trubo fourbangers in the US that could not only keep up with, but out launch almost any muscle car made to date.

When there was news that Subaru was bringing over the WRX, there was much rejoicing in that community that not only was 2.0T/AWD going to live, it was Subaru doing it (since Subaru AWD >* ). The only problem, though, was tuning. The 4g63 was EASY stupid easy. EJ205? Not as much. If there was a way to put a 4g63 into a Subaru drivetrain, I swear that would have been an unbeatable combination. One other thing, is those that knew Subaru/Mitsu... Mistu had rumors of bringing over the Evo, (nothing on the radar yet about STi) and, AND, Those that have been big Subaru fans (like myself) since the 80s, we knew the rivalry between Subaru/Mitsu due to WRC and some wouldn't switch regardless.

I mean, there was a lot going on then. But that EJ205 was a tough nut to crack in tuning, and it took a while. But then they figured it out and like DSMs, they got better at it. It was a special engine... but it could have been better if they spent just a little more doing semi closed decks (like they eventually did with the EJ25).

And anyone that wasn't around (I mean didn't have any of them) at the time? Hold your opinions to yourself, no one wants to hear them. You're wrong. *old man yells at cloud meme.gif.png.jpg* I accept it... because he's forgotten more than you'll ever know.
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Old 08-12-2022, 08:23 AM   #7567
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I have been around for them. My BIL had the bugeye and I almost bought a 09. For every "true" WRX fan they lost, they gained about 2 with the VA, that is a fact. Time to let go.

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Old 08-12-2022, 10:17 AM   #7568
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I have been around for them. My BIL had the bugeye and I almost bought a 09. For every "true" WRX fan they lost, they gained about 2 with the VA, that is a fact. Time to let go.
Flat brims, vapers, stance fans and Illest advertisers do not count. (Go back to VW).

This used to be a forum of college engineers, auto-xers and car enthusiasts. It went downhill once the used Bugeye market became first-car cheap. Then add in the performance killing people listed above. WBM looks more and more like a sketchy mall at night than a car meet.

I liked the VA because it was a great overall package, but I do not like the overall change in the community. Volume sales aren't always good for a brand.
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Nah, I'll stick around. This is a VB thread. I don't post in the older gen forums outside of the VA. You go away.
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Nah, Iíll stick around. This is a VB thread. I donít post in the older gen forums outside of the VA. You go away.
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Old 08-12-2022, 10:30 AM   #7571
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Nah, I'll stick around. This is a VB thread. I don't post in the older gen forums outside of the VA. You go away.
I'm not hating on the VB overall. I would have bought an STI VB. The point is the VA's expanded buyer-pool has included some unexpected outcomes. Possibly they are who Subaru surveyed to determine that cladding = rally. Maybe they all wanted to put tents on the roof.
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Old 08-12-2022, 10:54 AM   #7572
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Flat brims, vapers, stance fans and Illest advertisers do not count. (Go back to VW).

This used to be a forum of college engineers, auto-xers and car enthusiasts. It went downhill once the used Bugeye market became first-car cheap. Then add in the performance killing people listed above. WBM looks more and more like a sketchy mall at night than a car meet.

I liked the VA because it was a great overall package, but I do not like the overall change in the community. Volume sales aren't always good for a brand.
WBM observation is so spot-on. I went in 2016, even submitted my BRZ for the car show competition (Alaskanified). It was relatively chill then. The VA was brand new. The scene was just starting to shift. And I went fall of last year and summer of this year: Whoof. So different after just 5 and 6 years. I felt dirty after leaving.

I don't think I'll be going back in 2023.
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Well if you think about it in terms of Gen Z, etc., we also had the birth of Toxic (Acknowledge me Dad) type people. People or... kids? that feed off of attention sub-consciously as the internet has become their "religion" (What they deem to be true and what isn't). The growing pool of those who would be buying the WRX was always bound to change with the times. It makes no sense to us, I mean hell it made no sense to me that they would make a perfect LGT/Spec B 4th Gen.. only to make it yugeee and.. well not sporty. But the economy more or less was allowing people to buy bigger. Subaru had to adapt. But now, we're seeing another 90's situation almost, All the former legends are returning. Even Hyundai, Dropping that 1974 concept with a full blown hydrogen set up (Which I think is badass), the Z, Nissan committed to a new GTR, the Supra, SI, Type R, etc, they are all relevant again because the pandemic and the War in Ukraine maddddeeee Turbo-4's (and the like) more relevant again. And they'll only be relevant until the oil price market stabilizes, or we completely switch to Electric / Hybrid. Once the economy does its thing... guess what will happen. People will start to buy big again, Subaru will change its priorities again, just like every other brand. Its all inevitable more or less. I feel lucky that I got the opportunity to obtain an LGT and join legacygt .com all those years ago to develop an interest in these cars that will no doubt outlast whatever change happens. The kids are in control, they have these brands by the balls when it comes to the direction companies like Subaru have to take.

Edit* Maybe I shouldn't say kids.. New Young Families; Subaru's target market, are in control

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Old 08-12-2022, 07:30 PM   #7574
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@straight6 I genuinely am curious. Have you ever owned a Wrx or any Subaru product??
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@straight6 I genuinely am curious. Have you ever owned a Wrx or any Subaru product??
Of course, why would I be posting here otherwise.
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