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Old 07-18-2022, 08:13 PM   #26
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There is little demand for the GTI in the US hence the poor sales. The more I look at the data, the more it becomes apparent that despite the initial negativity towards the unpainted plastic cladding, this car has been very successful thus far.
Which data? You're comparing and posting apples and oranges.

Back to the thread topic, what do you think Subaru will do to gain lost STI sales and buyers?
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Old 07-18-2022, 08:23 PM   #27
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Which data? You're comparing and posting apples and oranges.

Back to the thread topic, what do you think Subaru will do to gain lost STI sales and buyers?
Subaru will introduce more performance goodies for the WRX as time goes on. Perhaps something along the lines of a performance pack with upgraded brakes, DCC and Recaro seats. The market is crazy right now. Cars like the Golf R and CTR or Corolla GR are not attainable for most people anywhere close to MSRP and I reckon won't be for a long time.
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Old 07-18-2022, 08:35 PM   #28
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Which data? You're comparing and posting apples and oranges.

Back to the thread topic, what do you think Subaru will do to gain lost STI sales and buyers?
Not sure what their other option is besides the Golf R. So, either keep their vintage STI, upgrade to something very expensive, or downgrade.
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Old 07-18-2022, 08:36 PM   #29
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Subaru will introduce more performance goodies for the WRX as time goes on. Perhaps something along the lines of a performance pack with upgraded brakes, DCC and Recaro seats. The market is crazy right now. Cars like the Golf R and CTR or Corolla GR are not attainable for most people anywhere close to MSRP and I reckon won't be for a long time.
I have a GR Corolla on allocation @ MSRP
I DD a MK8 GTI I paid 500 off MSRP for already owning a VW in Feb of this year

I could of bought a golf R instead but I have 7 other cars that I donít drive everyday inc a GT350 so I didnít need the extra power

Your 100% wrong
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Old 07-18-2022, 08:43 PM   #30
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Which data? You're comparing and posting apples and oranges.

Back to the thread topic, what do you think Subaru will do to gain lost STI sales and buyers?
Not a damn thing and instead focus on selling high volume cars that are uninspiring.
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Old 07-18-2022, 08:48 PM   #31
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The Golf R is already out. The way I see it, subaru may take a second look at the wrx after the corolla GR and the civic type R go on sale. By the way the new civic type R is supposedly being revealed on Wednesday. However, subaru has 1 brand new model and three refreshes to release and need to get their cash crop models back to normal levels. The wrx, like the brz are low volume models and are not the priority at this time.
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The Golf R is already out. The way I see it, subaru may take a second look at the wrx after the corolla GR and the civic type R go on sale. By the way the new civic type R is supposedly being revealed on Wednesday. However, subaru has 1 brand new model and three refreshes to release and need to get their cash crop models back to normal levels. The wrx, like the brz are low volume models and are not the priority at this time.
By Subaru not having the STI in the showroom as a ďhalo carĒ it creates a ripple effect on the other cars.
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WRX and BRZ are the halo cars and there is nothing wrong with that. Subaru is not going to waste time and money on a dead niche market and make a hatchback to satisfy a handful of enthusiasts.
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Old 07-18-2022, 09:08 PM   #34
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WRX and BRZ are the halo cars and there is nothing wrong with that. Subaru is not going to waste time and money on a dead niche market and make a hatchback to satisfy a handful of enthusiasts.
LOL the WRX is not a halo car.

Neither is the BRZ.

The STI has always been the showroom king for Subaru. Come on now
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Old 07-18-2022, 09:29 PM   #35
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LOL the WRX is not a halo car.

Neither is the BRZ.

The STI has always been the showroom king for Subaru. Come on now
Agreed. WRX is not a halo car. That indeed has been the STi. BRZ is arguable, because it's not part of the couple decades of "4 door' subaru.

It's going to be interesting to see how many pick the Legacy Sport XT (Why not just Legacy GT?) over the WRX.
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Old 07-18-2022, 10:04 PM   #36
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Using clickbait torque news as a source to fulfill the requirement. Well played. I would expect Subaru to reach into the parts bin for a future WRX. How deep do they dig is the question. There definitely won't be a hatch. Impreza and WRX have a different assembly process this generation. Developing a hatch would be a ground up effort.

Would you elaborate a bit more since they are both on the SGP now?


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Would you elaborate a bit more since they are both on the SGP now?
Impreza = SGP
WRX = SGP + Full inner frame structure + 4x use of adhesives.

Itís in the savage geese video.
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Levorg and WRX both.

https://www.subaru.co.jp/en/ir/indiv...r2021e-P34.pdf

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In addition, the use of the Subaru Global Platform with full inner frame construction that enhances body rigidity and structural adhesives that suppress minute deformation delivers higher rigidity with less weight. The result is greater overall safety, handling faithful to the driverís intentions, and a comfortable ride that eliminates unpleasant vibration and noise.
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Old 07-18-2022, 11:10 PM   #39
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Impreza = SGP
WRX = SGP + Full inner frame structure + 4x use of adhesives.

It's in the savage geese video.



The last gen, on the pre-SGP Impreza chassis, had extensive reinforcing. Soo, not really worth mentioning. Though certainly different methods with the newer chassis, it's still being made "different" than the Impreza as was before.
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Old 07-18-2022, 11:33 PM   #40
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Agreed. WRX is not a halo car. That indeed has been the STi. BRZ is arguable, because it's not part of the couple decades of "4 door' subaru.

It's going to be interesting to see how many pick the Legacy Sport XT (Why not just Legacy GT?) over the WRX.
With the STi dead, you can make the argument that the Outback Wilderness is the new halo car. Not for track enthusiasts and speed freaks, of course, but to regular folks. The two dealerships I visited over the weekend both had a Wilderness model (Outback at one and Fozzy at the other) prominently displayed front and center as soon as you step inside.
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Subaru fanboi checking in and it pains me to say that I wholeheartedly agree with this statement:

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Nothing would get me into a WRX.
My first car in 1998 was a hand me down from my dad - a 1984 Wagon GL with 200k miles, great 4WD beater. Then I went on to own a 2002 wrx wagon, then a 2004 Sti. I absolutely loved my 04, so much fun and many happy memories. Sadly, I got into a pretty bad car accident last year and the STi is done for I got paid from insurance, looked around and quickly found out everything sucks. Maybe I'm a cantankerous curmudgeon? I ended up not buying anything and decided to just drive my old pick up truck for the time being.

Now, I was pleasantly surprised to hear about the upcoming GR corolla, it seems to bring back the same type of enthusiasm that the past 02-05 subies did... but I'm pretty pessimistic on being able to acquire one with how constrained things are and I'm definitely not paying absurd dealer markups. My only hope is to keep saving my pennies and pray the GR hype dials back a bit and its still available in '24 or '25. I'd gladly take a model with lsds if it wasn't price gouged.

Or, maybe.... just maybe... if the stars, moon and planets aligned and the car gods deemed it worthy to bring back a new EJ 6MT Sti... I'd consider one.... but a WRX? No thanks. I'd also take a crosstrek with STi motor, 6MT and brembos too but I'm not holding by breath

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The last gen, on the pre-SGP Impreza chassis, had extensive reinforcing. Soo, not really worth mentioning. Though certainly different methods with the newer chassis, it's still being made "different" than the Impreza as was before.
That's SGP Impreza vs SGP WRX. SGP has evolved since its inception.

6:20 savage geese video

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Old 07-18-2022, 11:55 PM   #43
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With the STi dead, you can make the argument that the Outback Wilderness is the new halo car. Not for track enthusiasts and speed freaks, of course, but to regular folks. The two dealerships I visited over the weekend both had a Wilderness model (Outback at one and Fozzy at the other) prominently displayed front and center as soon as you step inside.

It had been a long time since we displayed a STI on the floor. They would sell too fast. Then they started just trickling in. The people interested in them wanted to drive them. I do miss the days we had 2 or 3 on the lot with around 9-10 WRXs. Having the rest of the lineup on the floor was much better for customers.





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Thatís SGP Impreza vs SGP WRX. SGP has evolved since its inception.



What has changed from the '17 SGP to the '23? And then how is the WRX not starting with this "evolved" SGP to then beef that up?
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Agreed. WRX is not a halo car. That indeed has been the STi. BRZ is arguable, because it's not part of the couple decades of "4 door' subaru.

It's going to be interesting to see how many pick the Legacy Sport XT (Why not just Legacy GT?) over the WRX.
The upcoming legacy sport is missing something very important, a manual transmission. to buyers the upcoming Legacy sport is nothing more than wrx premium with a cvt and a regular exhaust system. It makes more torque than the wrx, but we know the upcoming Legacy sport and wrx are not the same vehicle, the Legacy sport may be less to insure, but it is no wrx. Hopefully they grace us with a wrx ts in the later years. They can add it as a new trim during the refresh. The Corolla GR and upcoming civic type R are nice benchmarks but I won't held my breath.
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Subaru is not going to waste time and money on a dead niche market and make a hatchback to satisfy a handful of enthusiasts.
Delusional post. Golf R, GR Corolla, CTR, demand through the roof and itís a dead niche market? Takes a look at WRX sales, oh, sorry, that doesnít compute, youíre wrong.
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We are accepting delusional posts and wrong posts.

But if you replace "hatchback" with "STI" he's absolutely right.

Carry on.
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What has changed from the '17 SGP to the '23? And then how is the WRX not starting with this "evolved" SGP to then beef that up?
6:20 savage geese video
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Delusional post. Golf R, GR Corolla, CTR, demand through the roof and itís a dead niche market? Takes a look at WRX sales, oh, sorry, that doesnít compute, youíre wrong.
I canít actually believe he said that.
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Yeah. So? They talk about the things they did to strengthen this WRX more than the Impreza. It's the same idea they did with the previous WRX over the previous Impreza. Which would be expected. The last gen was the first time they had a difference with the chassis. You make it sound like some big change happened and it really didn't. It was probably just easier to do these specific upgrades on the newer SGP as he says "get more robots in". Man, you had me a bit excited thinking there was some new change.
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The WRX is competing with the GTI, GLI, and Golf R. You need to add them together. VW buyers have a choice. Subaru buyers got dealt a take it or leave it...again. Except now there's no STI.
Having said that, I do think people have their bias towards brands.
Some people will not touch german cars. Some people prefer Japanese cars. Some american.

Due to all this, the WRX might be on its own till Toyota releases the Corolla GR.
Maybe this is why Subaru decided to make the WRX the way it is.
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