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Old 12-17-2019, 01:36 PM   #76
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Clearly Subaru disagrees with you, otherwise they would have offered the Levorg here. With that being said, i would love to see it here, but i'm realistic.
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They'll bend over backwards and move heaven and earth to sell 209 special back channel STIs. If you can't see that SOA is adamantly opposed to justify selling a WRX wagon in this country then arguing is pointless. We've been through this.
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Old 12-17-2019, 01:49 PM   #77
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A Levorg is no S209. No mountains will be moved this model
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Old 12-17-2019, 02:00 PM   #78
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Whoa. Wait. Stop the train. Did I miss something? When has SOA even mentioned the Levorg let alone said they wouldn't bring it because of demand?
Has SOA even acknowledged the Levorg’s existence?
Or are they too convinced that sporting autos are defined by the sedan section.
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Old 12-17-2019, 03:12 PM   #79
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Has SOA even acknowledged the Levorg's existence?
Or are they too convinced that sporting autos are defined by the sedan section.
I don't see them talking about other markets much at all. It's only been recently with the Type RA & S209; but, that's because they were actually making them USDM as well.


I would like to see a link to where Doll has said something. Officially or unofficially. Cause I surely missed it.
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Old 12-17-2019, 03:55 PM   #80
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I would buy a Levorg in a heartbeat as well... No other Subaru wagon is interesting in the current line up.

Would love to see where SOA have addressed not bringing a wagon back...
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A Levorg is no S209. No mountains will be moved this model
And an S209 is no S208. No mountains were moved with making it.
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Old 12-17-2019, 05:03 PM   #82
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And an S209 is no S208. No mountains were moved with making it.
This is a rehash, but Subaru did move mountains so that they could offer the S209 in the U.S. Just keep in mind, U.S. regulations is different than Japans (and having been to Japan you definitely notice the exhaust fumes) and it's not cut and dry on if they wanted to or not on bringing something closer to the S208 to the states.
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I would buy a Levorg in a heartbeat as well... No other Subaru wagon is interesting in the current line up.

Would love to see where SOA have addressed not bringing a wagon back...
That's because there is no wagon in the USDM lineup
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Old 12-17-2019, 05:23 PM   #84
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And Subaru won't lift a finger to give us 209 Levorgs with ugly misaligned flares and water spray and stiffeners for $65k.
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Old 12-17-2019, 05:32 PM   #85
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And Subaru won't lift a finger to give us 209 Levorgs with ugly misaligned flares and water spray and stiffeners for $65k.
LOL! There's only 209 of the S209. It's Subaru flagship to the U.S. Get over it. The Levorg is just a WRX in a different body, which they figured didn't make any economic sense in offering to the U.S.

Also, Subaru got burned with the GR hatch (2008+). People were screaming bloody murder on not having a Sedan and how much they hated the hatch. It's no win for Subaru.
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Old 12-17-2019, 05:35 PM   #86
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For $65k it would make the same pointless economic sense and would move just as slow off showroom floors.
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Old 12-17-2019, 05:36 PM   #87
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For $65k it would make the same pointless economic sense and would move just as slow off showroom floors.
To you, but not to Subaru and the people that likes (and can afford) the S209.
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LOL! There's only 209 of the S209. It's Subaru flagship to the U.S. Get over it. The Levorg is just a WRX in a different body, which they figured didn't make any economic sense in offering to the U.S.

Also, Subaru got burned with the GR hatch (2008+). People were screaming bloody murder on not having a Sedan and how much they hated the hatch. It's no win for Subaru.
People didn't like not having a sedan because it's considered iconic. Hatch sold fine, even after they sold both body styles.

Subaru enthusiasts tend to not like change. But change is a comin'. Big changes. Some people are WAY more ready for it than others. Just depends on reading comprehension of this forum.
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Old 12-17-2019, 06:08 PM   #89
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People didn't like not having a sedan because it's considered iconic. Hatch sold fine, even after they sold both body styles.

Subaru enthusiasts tend to not like change. But change is a comin'. Big changes. Some people are WAY more ready for it than others. Just depends on reading comprehension of this forum.
It's not a matter if one is ready or not, if more a matter does the change makes sense?
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I would love to see that Levorg here. Judging by how often the local dealer tries buying my hatch there's definitely some demand.
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Old 12-17-2019, 06:38 PM   #91
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It's not a matter if one is ready or not, if more a matter does the change makes sense?
It's relative. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's pointless.

I'm definitely bored of the EJ. It's prehistoric. Time to get with the times.
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I would love to see that Levorg here. Judging by how often the local dealer tries buying my hatch there's definitely some demand.
I loved it... resale on my 09 wrx hatch when I sold it almost 2 years ago was spectacular. After 9 years of owning it and over 100k miles, I sold it for more than 1/2 of it's original purchase price. I got a price from the local subaru dealership for 12.5K. Not even a clean title, it had been in a few minor accidents and was clearly modified (lightly). Ended up selling private for more, but still... the dealers were super excited to get it.
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It's relative. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's pointless.

I'm definitely bored of the EJ. It's prehistoric. Time to get with the times.
LOL your bored of a family of engines!
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FA24, STi drivetrain (with mechanical center) Levorg - it's never going to happen, but I want it.
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People didn't like not having a sedan because it's considered iconic. Hatch sold fine, even after they sold both body styles.

Subaru enthusiasts tend to not like change. But change is a comin'. Big changes. Some people are WAY more ready for it than others. Just depends on reading comprehension of this forum.
I am going to be when and if “coupe” and “direct injected 2.4L” and “partnership with Toyota” hits. The no change luddites will be
You should go ahead and go to Costco and buy a mega pack of Pampers because the bitches are gonna need them.
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And how many Imprezas, Crosstreks or Outbacks would you sell less if they sold the Levorg in the US?

They've got to keep SIA rolling.
Considering it's priced higher than all 3, Subaru would love to sell Levorgs to the point it would eat into those vehicles.
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SUBARU'S long-awaited next-generation WRX performance flagship is just months away, with the production version expected to be revealed by the end of this year.

And given the BRZ coupe took seven months to go from production debut to Australian launch, a similar time frame for the WRX points to an arrival in local showrooms around mid-2014.

Speaking in New York, Subaru America president and COO Tom Doll said the production version was "close", and conceded that a November motor show reveal was "possible", hinting at a potential world premiere at LA motor show.

It is also worth noting that the Tokyo motor show will take place at the same time as the North American event this November.

The concept revealed in the Big Apple overnight is just a styling preview, in similar vein to the pumped-up BRZ STI concept from the 2011 motor show, which was tamed down by the time it was unveiled in production form at Tokyo a fortnight later.

Like the BRZ show car, the WRX concept is obviously an extreme version of what will end up in showrooms.

Strip away the carbon-fibre roof, 20-inch alloy wheels, massive racing brakes, aggressive rear diffuser, tiny door mirrors and air intake-like headlights and it is possible to get a measure of what the showroom STI model might look like.

Tame down the chunky flared wheel arches - which at the front lead into huge air vents - and the base WRX starts to materialise.

Whether the production model will retain the four-door concept's swoopy coupe-like roof line remains to be seen.

Apart from confirmation the new WRX will maintain the turbocharged, all-wheel-drive layout of its predecessors, no mechanical details have been announced and Subaru's global deputy general manager for corporate communications Masashi Uemura declined to comment on technical details.

However Mr Doll confirmed the new WRX will share the Impreza platform and be offered with a manual gearbox, while automatics will use a CVT with paddle-shifters.

He also quashed rumours the new WRX would be a hybrid - although he said the electric motor sandwiched between the engine and transmission of the XV Hybrid also revealed at New York would provide a welcome torque boost.

"It will have a manual transmission because a performance driver likes to be able to shift the car," he said. "If you put a CVT in it you can have paddle-shifting."

Various rumours about drivetrains have circulated but it looks likely the WRX will use a higher output version of the direct-injection 2.0-litre turbo engine of the latest Forester XT.

"In the future I think you can probably guess that with the 2.0-litres that are in the current Impreza, a 2.0-litre turbocharged engine is coming," said Mr Doll.

Although Subaru looks set to position the WRX more firmly as a standalone sportscar, further distancing it from the Impreza with which it has long been associated - the Impreza name was dropped from performance models in 2010 - Mr Doll revealed some panels would still be shared.

We are trying to stip the WRX and STI brands off and away from the Impreza to try and get their own unique styling and their own unique driving attributes," he said.

"They share some (panels) but we are trying to create, as you can tell by this car here, its own style and its own definition as opposed to taking it from the Impreza model and saying it is just based off the Impreza."

He also confirmed the WRX would not be produced as a hatchback this time around as "performance cars are more defined in the sedan segment".

But due to the popularity of hot hatches in various markets around the world such as Europe and Australia, it is unclear if Mr Doll was talking in the context of his native North American market.

"For the new generation we are moving away from the five-door style," he said. "Because performance cars are more defined in the sedan segment.

Mr Doll said the new WRX will deliver BRZ-like levels of handling and drivability but in a more powerful, all-wheel-drive package.

"We learned with the BRZ that it is not just about 0-60 it is really about drivability, handling and fun and what the BRZ taught us, you are going to see a lot of those positive attributes built into the next generation of our production cars."

The WRX concept's wheelbase is a significant 115mm longer than the Impreza at 2760mm while the 4520mm body length is 60mm shorter than the Impreza sedan, lending it short overhangs and a purposeful stance to go with its low (1390mm), wide (1890mm) and sleek shape.

Subaru fans will be glad to see the iconic WRX bonnet scoop has been retained - unlike the latest turbo-petrol Forester XV - but it has become even more integrated with the bonnet than on the current model.

The concept is painted in a new colour called WR Blue Pearl III that has a metal-flake look but provides a clear link to the classic WRX hue and Subaru's rallying livery.

Flourescent yellow highlights on the badge, fat quad tail-pipes and brake callipers give the concept some sparkle without resorting to the use of chrome.

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I can't speak for everyone, but i can speak for me, having come from a wrx wagon (06, when it was actually a wagon, not a hatch)

impreza hatch = anemic engine and only a hatchback not a wagon (i.e. less cargo space than a wagon)
crosstrek = high ride height impreza hatch with anemic engine
outback = high ride height, anemic engine
Forester = high ride height box with anemic engine

levorg = closest wrx wagon replacement in Subarus arsenal - low/normal ride height wagon.

I could have summed that all up by saying "because turbo wagon" but I figured the less is more approach wouldn't quite get my point across.
I hear ya, on the power output of the crosstrek etc, but I would think the new outback with the 2.4 turbo is way better....my 2014 outback would smoke the crosstrek(not that that's impressive) but it had good enough power to daily drive and not worry about lacking power. The crosstrek made me imagine scenarios where I would need more power than it had. But a turbo outback should be pretty good. I'll have to test drive one.
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I don’t see any actual mention of “Levorg” in the above links. Only something about “5 doors” and sport in the “sedan segment”. I suppose that sedan segment marketing crap is intended for US consumption only?
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