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Old 07-20-2019, 04:59 PM   #251
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Pretty interesting reception for this thing, not just here (where there often are a lot of GM/Corvette naysayers), but on other sites and irl.

Rather than the usually 50/50 like/don't like, there seems to be a general positive consensus with this car: Even if it's not perfect, because of the price you can't really fault it.

I bet the team who worked on it are really pleased at the reception. It definitely seems like it's gonna be a major hit for GM.
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Old 07-20-2019, 06:31 PM   #252
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$60K is just nuts. As others have said in this thread, that's an attractive enough price to make some people overlook the lack of a third pedal. You have to wonder how many potential Supra buyers might be reconsidering now given how close the pricing is. Obviously they are two different cars designed with two different philosophies in mind, but the numbers are just staggering.

On the topic of the manual...has GM either confirmed or denied the possibility of one coming later on down the road? As we all know the Supra launched without a manual, but Toyota has at least seemed open to the idea of possibly giving it three pedals in the future and has not completely ruled it out.
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Old 07-20-2019, 07:52 PM   #253
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Original NSX was 70K. It was also 3000 lbs and not a carbon 1Xrooster (who speaks my language, Pre or Scrap probably).

I have to believe for twice the price Honda could've kept the weight the same and put a small displacement V8 in there, effectively becoming a poor-man's 458 - same spirit as the original. Probably been said 100X in the NSX thread.

This vette gets close for lots less money - with a few hundred extra lbs and a DCT. Kudos to them, but I'll be keeping my current mid-engine targa
Yes I get it. And yes this was my same exact complaint with the latest NSX but it’s irrelevant anyhow as I don’t have your kind of checkbook

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Checked out some C7's. I couldn't do it. They're much better than the C6's, but they're still real POS's. They also lack immensely in feel, even compared to the Viper, which is quite the blunt tool, even in ACR guise. Same thing happened when I went to check out the C6 ZR1 many moons ago. Hence, still have never owned a Vette.

Might go see the more upscale version of the C7, the F12 - depreciation has hit them hard with the 812 being out.
More I drove a ‘19 SS 1 LE Camaro last week and all your comments, for me, is the same. I was like gee wiz, nothing special about this thing. Even in track mode, massive underwhelm.

The Vette is truly phenomenal. I’m happy for those interested and who will purchase. For the money, only 2 cars come to my mind to compare it to, bang for the buck. The NSX when it originally debuted and the R35 the first 1-2 years at the price Nissan was selling it for. Chebby might have just done the 1 up and maybe of all time for the dollar. I wish I was interested. I get my RWD rocks off on motorcycles that are super car fast so when it comes to 4 wheels I’m just a manual/AWD snob. If I had more play money I’d be still be looking at an AWD Turbo manual 911. Now if someone made an awd manual hatch with these kind of Vette performance metrics I’d be jerking off right now and rearranging the fleet to make way. It’ll be fun in a year to see all the blu hairs rocking this thing around me. There won’t be a few they’ll be everywhere just like the C7 now. I rarely go on a drive where I don’t see one. It’s the blu hair standard of choice here.
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:51 PM   #254
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Well, we now have our answer to why Chevy is not creating a Z28 Camaro.

I'm still blown away how Chevy cannot create an inviting interior. The center stack is just so awkward. Seriously you might as well put a giant divider between you and your date/misses. At least she can't change the radio tunes to showboat or the equivalent nightmare music.
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Old 07-21-2019, 01:36 AM   #255
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Default The Original Test Mule for the C8 Corvette Used a Porsche PDK

I know we have the actual car debut, but I thought this was kinda interesting development info I just saw:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...rsche-gearbox/
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The Holden Ute that served as the Corvette team's first mid-engine mule used PDK.

Way back in 2015, we saw the first test mule for the 2020 Corvette, a car GM denied for years. When we recently sat down with the people behind the mid-engine project, they confirmed that ute was indeed the mule and that it definitely still existed and ran. .....Blackjack’s interior is racecar-crude, its transmission an adapted PDK from a Porsche. But the foundation—structure and suspension—was crucial, determining everything that happened next.....PDK is the best out there, and the Corvette has always competed directly with the 911. If you're going to benchmark PDK, you might as well start with PDK.

The gearbox that ended up in the Corvette is a DCT designed and built by Tremec. It's meant to be quicker than a human but just as engaging. It also takes a page from the Graziano gearbox used by McLaren. The paddles are directly wired to the gearbox, there's no middle man. The car doesn't second guess you.
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Old 07-21-2019, 03:23 AM   #256
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On the topic of the manual...has GM either confirmed or denied the possibility of one coming later on down the road? As we all know the Supra launched without a manual, but Toyota has at least seemed open to the idea of possibly giving it three pedals in the future and has not completely ruled it out.
Sounds like no. It's not in all the articles I've seen on it, but one of the articles I read said the reason (and I'm paraphrasing from memory) why no manual is because the "torque tube" structure surrounding the tranny in this car is a important part of the car's spine/chassis and that they can't like put a hole in it to run a clutch pedal to it without compromising the structural integrity of the car. If I'm remembering right, that's basically the reason they gave. No idea if a drive by wire clutch could be a thing in the future (Has that even been done before/is it possible? I kinda doubt it could emulate the feeling of a mechanical linkage?), but it sounds like a big not happening.
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:45 AM   #257
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DCT transmission, eh?

Lots of complaints from manual converts on the R forum about how with stock programming, the computer often queues up the wrong gear, leaving you a sitting duck when you mash the pedal and the trans has to catch up.
I've never driven an R, buy my A3 with a DSG and paddles is fun in manual mode. I pretty much never put it in drive or sport mode, always go straight manual (though it will downshift when you slow to a stop automatically). I would do the same in this.
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You have to wonder how many potential Supra buyers might be reconsidering now given how close the pricing is. Obviously they are two different cars designed with two different philosophies in mind, but the numbers are just staggering.
I talked to my friend yesterday, and even after seeing the Vette, he is still set on the Supra. Mainly due to the Easter Eggs.

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When I read "Mid-engine corvette will sticker under 60k" I immediately thought about the GT350, which stickers just under 60k...
Hell, I dropped $60K on a GT350. And that probably wouldn't have happened if the C8 was available.
I can only imagine how cheap...dirt cheap, one can pick up a C7 for in the coming months.
Also, the ridonculous ADM's that will be piled on top the C8 for awhile.


My exterior gripe: The removable roof. I'd prefer a clean line (like the 488, etc). It does look nice without it on, though.

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Old 07-21-2019, 06:43 PM   #259
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The look is a lot better with body color side vent. Dark blue with darker silver wheels is a good look. I imagine that these will really be closer to $70-$80k when optioned the way I would want.
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:28 PM   #260
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I talked to my friend yesterday, and even after seeing the Vette, he is still set on the Supra. Mainly due to the Easter Eggs.



Hell, I dropped $60K on a GT350. And that probably wouldn't have happened if the C8 was available.
I can only imagine how cheap...dirt cheap, one can pick up a C7 for in the coming months.
Also, the ridonculous ADM's that will be piled on top the C8 for awhile.


My exterior gripe: The removable roof. I'd prefer a clean line (like the 488, etc). It does look nice without it on, though.
Just be patient and buy one used with break in miliage. I paid $51k for my GT350 when dealers were still asking +5/10$ after someone traded it back in after driving it for a month. Same will happen with these and it is better to wait for the second or third model year when they figure out the bugs anyway.
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:37 AM   #261
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Manual transmission Corvettes will now be worth more.
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Old 07-22-2019, 10:11 AM   #262
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I want one more than a Supra now but might buy next STI or R type so I can have manual
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Old 07-22-2019, 10:24 AM   #263
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Manual transmission Corvettes will now be worth more.
Eh, I doubt it. People thought the same thing about manual M2’s and how they would hold resale better, be worth more, etc. Turns out people prefer DCT trans despite saying “I’m a manual purist.”
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Old 07-22-2019, 07:17 PM   #264
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Eh, I doubt it. People thought the same thing about manual M2’s and how they would hold resale better, be worth more, etc. Turns out people prefer DCT trans despite saying “I’m a manual purist.”
No different than selling a Golf R used. We have a local VW community up here and the manual owners complain that they are harder to sell used than DSG. My DSG equipped Golf R sold so fast (used market was soft because of the poor local economy) I had to get a rental for a month before my M2 or Civic Type R was delivered.
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This is great news.

Being as I’m getting ready to sell my manual R.

I sold a stick-shift C6 a few years ago and it took a little longer, but it sold.


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What about cars like the GT350 which are only three-pedals.

I still think the main reason there are so many low mileage ones up for sale are that people just don’t know how to ****ing drive a manual anymore. They think, “oh this is not really a big deal… 2000 miles later. I was wrong”
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Old 07-23-2019, 04:42 PM   #266
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This is great news.

Being as I’m getting ready to sell my manual R.

I sold a stick-shift C6 a few years ago and it took a little longer, but it sold.


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What about cars like the GT350 which are only three-pedals.

I still think the main reason there are so many low mileage ones up for sale are that people just don’t know how to ****ing drive a manual anymore. They think, “oh this is not really a big deal… 2000 miles later. I was wrong”

Driving a manual is easy. I think many people buy these cars and realize that they never get to enjoy them because of traffic, bad roads, needing to take the other car for family/cargo needs, etc. It also sucks to walk by your toy in the garage every day, see the money it sucks up, and always having a reason to not drive it.
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Old 07-23-2019, 06:43 PM   #267
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Stealer called so I got on the list for a Z06 @ MSRP. Doubt I'll actually buy it, but cool to have the option - likely 18 mos or more away. Also, MSRP for a Vette is 10-20% too much, but I think they may try the GT-R approach with this one and raise MSRP significantly each year.
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Old 07-23-2019, 06:52 PM   #268
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It seemed like a massive publicity stunt to offer the car at 60k, when damn well everyone knows ADM from dealers, and options are going to be closer to 80k.

I get the performance value at 60k, but realistically no one is going to buy this for 60k. That is bare bones stock. I mean little options like red calipers, 1200$. Try to option one out and see where you're at lol. These are going to go for 75-80k all day. In 3-4 years you'll find them lightly used for 45k.
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Old 07-23-2019, 07:53 PM   #269
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Base price seems fantastic compared to its competitors, and I think option prices will be much cheaper than competitors. If Z51 is under 8k I think that is a win.

ADM will go away soon enough, they will make tons of them. I wonder if they will have to heavily discount them in a few years like pretty much all previous generations. My guess with the aggressive pricing they are not planning on it.
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Old 07-24-2019, 11:01 AM   #270
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If a C8 Z51 is $75k and has a pretty standard underwhelming GM interior it's still a good value. From a pure performance perspective the new Corvette is going to blow away my Cayman GTS. From an interior quality, fit, and finish perspective I suspect the Porsche is still better. BUT the Porsche cost me $87k. If a C8 Z51 offers all that it does for under $80k I can forgive the lesser interior for the money saved and performance gained. It's all about perspective.
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Old 07-24-2019, 11:50 AM   #271
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I have to have a manual in my life. I absolutely love manuals and will always drive one.

As for the interior, I wouldn't expect an Audi or VW level of quality. It is GM still. I believe I read that the only shared part from the C7 are the interior door handles? Yet the start button looks just like the one in my Sierra. In fact it has the same GM infotainment screen and version also. It's not bad but not great. Much better than the prior gen infotainment which was in par with a Blackberry 8700.
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The manual is gone and it ain't coming back in this car. This is more race car than sports car and it ain't got time for molasses-in-winter shift speed.

For driver enjoyment, drive something slow like you stole it.
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Driving a manual is easy. I think many people buy these cars and realize that they never get to enjoy them because of traffic, bad roads, needing to take the other car for family/cargo needs, etc. It also sucks to walk by your toy in the garage every day, see the money it sucks up, and always having a reason to not drive it.
Bingo.

I daily a GTI right now. I can afford something faster and more fun, but what's the point when there's nowhere to legally use it and it sits in rush hour traffic for 95% of its life?
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If they had cooling issues with the last Z06...

3rd year then shop one?
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If they had cooling issues with the last Z06...

3rd year then shop one?
During the press release / reveal they indicated that the Z51 package adds a radiator and some additional cooling ducts. Probably aiming to get it right the first time with this car. Of course a Z06 having a different engine may still have its own problems with heat production.
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