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Old 01-22-2014, 09:03 PM   #4676
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I wasn't able to call till they were almost closed and couldn't talk to the manager. The adviser said that it had sucked the ring from the #3 cylinder into the block. He said they were starting to reassemble it and would check it thoroughly to make sure nothing else came up. I didn't have a chance to ask any other info like which ring or rings were destroyed, what steps they used to make sure there wasn't metal in the block, how bad the cylinder walls were, what all was done to fix anything they may have found. I'll call him in the morning to get more details. I've got an uneasy feeling about this, all I'm hoping for is that it holds together for 2 more years then I will be getting rid of it.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:10 PM   #4677
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Why wait 2 years?
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I just did some google searching. Its been a while,as I hadn't worried much about consumption for a while. Apparently tue problem has become much more known about since I last checked. Lots of Legacy owners and tons of Foresters.
They apparently havent figured out how to fix anything.

I have even read that Subaru is going to start *officially* giving the green-light for oil burning cars to run a heavier oil. If this turns out to be true, it will just be another thing to buy them more time. Running heavier oil doesn't change the consumption, in my experience.
GC 0w-30 has stopped my oil consumption.
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Old 01-23-2014, 08:09 AM   #4679
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Why wait 2 years?
Money. We had a Dodge Nitro that had more problems than this car does. I got tired of Dodge not fixing the issue and we decided to take a big loss on it and trade it for this Subaru thinking it would last. After 4 years you typically have a bit of equity in your car so I like to wait till that point. That being said, if there continues to be problems with this it will leave early either under the lemon law or trade.
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Old 01-23-2014, 09:30 AM   #4680
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GC 0w-30 has stopped my oil consumption.
I tried 0w30 and 5w30 and neither slowed mine.

Snowdog- thats horrible! Apparently the low-tension rings are complete junk. May be time to lawyer up,man. IMO you definitely have an extra sour lemon on your hands.
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Old 01-23-2014, 09:30 AM   #4681
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Money. We had a Dodge Nitro that had more problems than this car does. I got tired of Dodge not fixing the issue and we decided to take a big loss on it and trade it for this Subaru thinking it would last. After 4 years you typically have a bit of equity in your car so I like to wait till that point. That being said, if there continues to be problems with this it will leave early either under the lemon law or trade.
Don't forget that trading in is not your only option. You will generally do better financially by selling the car yourself. This is not rocket science--the dealership taking your used car wants to pay as little for it as possible so that he can mark the price up and make a profit. His profit is your loss.

My 2010 VW Golf TDI was a reliability nightmare even though it was only 27 months old and only had 30k miles on it. That's the car I was getting rid of when I bought my 2012 Impreza. The Subaru dealership (as well as the Ford dealership, as I was also considering the Focus SE) would only give me $16k for the TDI, which was in pristine condition and had a lot of desirable options. I sold it myself for $22k.

This was a win-win for me and for the buyer--I sold the car for $6k more than I could get in trade, and he bought the car for $2k less than the dealership would have sold it for.

Note: Don't get all preachy on me and tell me that I should never have sold a car that caused me reliability issues to a private buyer. All of the TDI's issues were fixed to VW's satisfaction, and I gave the buyer all paperwork documenting the car's service history. It's very possible that the car hasn't given the next owner one bit of problems. I just didn't want to risk that with the car's warranty expiring in 6k miles.
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Old 01-23-2014, 09:54 AM   #4682
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He probably wants to wait until what he owes and what he can sell it for are closer together.
I have started riding my 1979 letour around town. The weather is great, so is the exercise. Trying to keep the miles and depreciation at bay in case I want to get rid of it in a year or two.
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Old 01-23-2014, 11:52 AM   #4683
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You're thinking about dumping the XV so quickly?
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:34 PM   #4684
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Well in a couple years we'll see. I'm not confident in its longevity. Its a pretty nice car for what it is. Bit the oil light is a pretty big letdown.
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:37 PM   #4685
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Well in a couple years we'll see. I'm not confident in its longevity. Its a pretty nice car for what it is. Bit the oil light is a pretty big letdown.
What does 1q/5K have to do with longevity again?
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:41 PM   #4686
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What does 1q/5K have to do with longevity again?
My terrain started out with 1 q/5k...then within 20k miles it was consuming almost 1q/1k miles.

If the issue is unanticipated ring wear, it could keep wearing and accelerate the consumption.

The new rings had a different coating which wears 5 times slower
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Old 01-23-2014, 03:16 PM   #4687
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I suppose that's a possibility. Fortunately, I don't know of anyone reporting sudden jumps in consumption in here.

What are the rings/coatings made of?
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Old 01-23-2014, 03:31 PM   #4688
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I suppose that's a possibility. Fortunately, I don't know of anyone reporting sudden jumps in consumption in here.

What are the rings/coatings made of?
Rings are usually made of steel and then coated with something like PVD or DLC to reduce the friction. If that coating wears and you get down to just the steel, it wears very quickly.

I was getting UOA's performed after I noticed consumption and results showed increased iron suggesting the steel parts in the engine were wearing at elevated rates, ie: rings.
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Old 01-23-2014, 03:34 PM   #4689
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Its not just the engine longevity I worry about. But I'll address the other parts in their respective threads so not to muddy the water.
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:00 PM   #4690
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I suppose that's a possibility. Fortunately, I don't know of anyone reporting sudden jumps in consumption in here. What are the rings/coatings made of?
Mine had sudden jumps in consumption. Started at burning .75-1 quart in 5000km when I bought the car off the lot, progressively got worse until it was burning an average of 1 quart every 900km
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Was your car repaired?
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Old 01-23-2014, 06:29 PM   #4692
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Was your car repaired?
Yes, new short block..but I've had the oil light come on twice after the repair... it wasn't any amount to worry about and right before an oil change but still happened
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sgoldste01, don't worry I agree with you 100% it is better to sell outright 99.5% of the time. And that may be an option but we shall see.

So I talked with the service manager who gave me better details. The oil rings for the #3 cylinder did not expand when they installed the piston and that is the reason it went through the oil. He said he spoke with Subaru and they said they have seen this happen on many vehicles they do this repair to. He said they had it running for a while, was going to let it cool down, run it again, then check the compression on all cylinders to make sure everything is good. I said they could have it all day tomorrow as both my wife and I are working day shift and we would pick it up Saturday. I was concerned when the adviser said it had sucked the ring into the block that I should have heard all kinds of ugly noises. I'm glad this wasn't the case.
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My terrain started out with 1 q/5k...then within 20k miles it was consuming almost 1q/1k miles.

If the issue is unanticipated ring wear, it could keep wearing and accelerate the consumption.

The new rings had a different coating which wears 5 times slower
That doesn't mean every car will increase oil consumption. Our jetta uses between 1qt every 3-5k and has since we bought it with 26k, it now has nearly 150k with no changes in oil usage. Much more expensive oil too
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sgoldste01, don't worry I agree with you 100% it is better to sell outright 99.5% of the time. And that may be an option but we shall see.

So I talked with the service manager who gave me better details. The oil rings for the #3 cylinder did not expand when they installed the piston and that is the reason it went through the oil. He said he spoke with Subaru and they said they have seen this happen on many vehicles they do this repair to. He said they had it running for a while, was going to let it cool down, run it again, then check the compression on all cylinders to make sure everything is good. I said they could have it all day tomorrow as both my wife and I are working day shift and we would pick it up Saturday. I was concerned when the adviser said it had sucked the ring into the block that I should have heard all kinds of ugly noises. I'm glad this wasn't the case.
The rings and top ends used to be hand assembled. Now a robot does it. They even modified the rods to make the engine faster to assemble.
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Damn robots...next will be skynet taking over!
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The 12-gauge auto-loader.

That's Italian. You can go pump or auto.

The .45 long slide, with laser sighting.

These are brand new; we just got them in. That's a good gun. Just touch the trigger, the beam comes on and you put the red dot where you want the bullet to go. You can't miss. Anything else?

Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.

Hey, just what you see, pal!

The Uzi nine millimeter.

You know your weapons, buddy. Any one of these is ideal for home defense. So uh, which will it be?

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No wonder this thread is 190 pages long. Now we're quote lines from Terminator.

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Without the trolling, and with more and more people realizing their car is chugging oil, its finally going pretty well. Terminator quotes and all...
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That doesn't mean every car will increase oil consumption. Our jetta uses between 1qt every 3-5k and has since we bought it with 26k, it now has nearly 150k with no changes in oil usage. Much more expensive oil too
I agree....sounds like your car just didn't break in well and the rings didn't seat as well as they could have, but aren't wearing abnormally.

Our Terrain initially had zero consumption up until about 20k miles...that's when I noticed it had gone through 1 qt in that 5k oil change. I did a UOA and it showed traces of fuel in the oil.

In my situation the issue was two fold, the coating on the rings was bad, and the fuel pump had a leaking shaft seal which introduced fuel in the oil which reduces the oil's lubrication which increased the ring wear.

Based on what the TSB for the FB engine states, they also have problems with the coating on the rings..."surface treatment" is what they're calling it. But, if these new shortblocks with new coated rings still wears poorly, my guess would be Subaru's either got an unknown problem with the heads, or a more possible scenario that their factory tolerances for the ring gaps is incorrect, resulting in the rings never seating properly.

Either way, Subaru has shown that it's fairly resistant or incompetent when it comes to truly fixing the problems...which is a reason I'm hesitant to buy another one. I sold my 2011 STI in part because I was so paranoid about the ringland problems with the EJ series, and they STILL haven't bothered to address the design flaw there.
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