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Old 04-12-2017, 01:17 PM   #26
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The Mazda CX-9 seems to be capable using a 2.5L DIT 4 cylinder and from the first reviews I've seen the high torque made it peppy enough. I think this 2.4L will follow suit... twin scroll, high torque, and proper gearing... I'm guessing it will do just fine.

Don't forget its on the SGP too, which is lighter than any previous Subaru chassis.
That is true.
My fear is that Subaru would not bother with getting the HP out of the small engine as they did the WRX as they want high MPG numbers.

Thanks for the input though. High 200s or low 300s with good low end torque would be ideal.
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That looks like a home run. My wife will be all over this. She hates how the current pilot is kinda minivan shaped and liked the previous one. She doesn't really like the highlander but that's the direction we were headed. They really nailed it for a modern boxy car that still looks sporty (in an outdoorsy way). The inside looks like another car altogether, didn't know Subaru could do that. The full length glass roof is awesome. My wife is going to love it. I'm guessing this will go for around 40k decently equipped. I hope this will be able to tow a small camper, then it'll pretty much be the perfect family car for us.

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Old 04-12-2017, 01:27 PM   #28
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My wife is pissed...she wants it now..not next year lol
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:30 PM   #29
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guys, the 2.4L is 20% bigger than current 2.0L DIT. It its WRX form, peaking at 268, we could extrapolate that 320hp would be realistic. Maybe a tad lower to get more torque? We don't know.

I think 300/300 would be enough, depending on the vehicle's weight obviously.
Towing I am not sure.

// Bad comparo

Look at the X5 with the N55 (300/300), its ok but guzzles a lot of gaz because of the vehicle's weight. In the X3, its perfectly fine.

I am very surprised but have a feeling they will screw this up for production model.I saw an article confirming the wheels would be 21 inc, 275.

As if,
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guys, the 2.4L is 20% bigger than current 2.0L DIT. It its WRX form, peaking at 268, we could extrapolate that 320hp would be realistic. Maybe a tad lower to get more torque? We don't know.

I think 300/300 would be enough, depending on the vehicle's weight obviously.
Towing I am not sure.

// Bad comparo

Look at the X5 with the N55 (300/300), its ok but guzzles a lot of gaz because of the vehicle's weight. In the X3, its perfectly fine.

I am very surprised but have a feeling they will screw this up for production model.I saw an article confirming the wheels would be 21 inc, 275.

As if,
300/300 would be 93 octane at a minimum. High powered turbo 4s need that knock resistance. Ascent buyers dont want to put in 93. Lower boost turbo 6 DI would be better.
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300/300 would be 93 octane at a minimum. High powered turbo 4s need that knock resistance. Ascent buyers dont want to put in 93. Lower boost turbo 6 DI would be better.
You do know that current FA20DIT can take 87 octane, right? Just sacrifices performance. More and more people are growing accustomed to higher octane anyways. Usually it has better cleaning agents. Some people put higher octane in their car just to help it run smoother even though their car doesn't require it.
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Center seat belt coming from the ceiling in the third row. -1 point. Unless it's a latch anchor of course. Air vents from the ceiling. +1 point. We'll have to see what makes it to production either way.








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Old 04-12-2017, 02:17 PM   #33
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300/300 would be 93 octane at a minimum. High powered turbo 4s need that knock resistance. Ascent buyers dont want to put in 93. Lower boost turbo 6 DI would be better.
Good point, and I would also prever a 3L 6cyl turbo with low boost. But I really think any 6cyl is dead @ Subaru.
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:22 PM   #34
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300/300 would be 93 octane at a minimum. High powered turbo 4s need that knock resistance. Ascent buyers dont want to put in 93. Lower boost turbo 6 DI would be better.
Another thought...

The FB16 DIT in the Levorg makes 168hp/184 lb-ft and is designed to run on regular octane. So if the new engine is an enlarged version of the FB16DIT that can run on 87 octane, I calculate it to be 252hp/276 lb-ft.

That would be comparable to the CX9 (227/310) and the 2.3 Ecoboost Explorer (240/270).
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You do know that current FA20DIT can take 87 octane, right? Just sacrifices performance. More and more people are growing accustomed to higher octane anyways. Usually it has better cleaning agents. Some people put higher octane in their car just to help it run smoother even though their car doesn't require it.
Can take it describes it well. The ecu will dump fuel and pull timing way back and achieve crap for mileage and not return anything close to rated power.
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guys, the 2.4L is 20% bigger than current 2.0L DIT. It its WRX form, peaking at 268, we could extrapolate that 320hp would be realistic. Maybe a tad lower to get more torque? We don't know.
This exactly... the 2.4 is bigger and has more tuning possibilities. Torque is the main thing here, not hp. As long as its making good torque the question of "is a 4 cylinder enough" isn't really relevant. Imo, I can see it making WRX level hp with over 300 tq and get good mileage.

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Can take it describes it well. The ecu will dump fuel and pull timing way back and achieve crap for mileage and not return anything close to rated power.
Not necessarily. The CX-9 has two horsepower ratings depending on octane for just this reason. It maintains the torque and fuel economy, but drops hp on 87. As long as its tuned to maintain torque and fuel economy, hp can take a back seat a bit with 87 octane. Grocery getting and driving the kiddies to practice won't feel any slower.
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I am a bit concerned.

A 4 cylinder 2.4 liter turbo charged engine just does not seem like it will make for a very drivable large vehicle. Most criticism of the Tribeca (aside from looks) was around it's lack of power with the 3.6 liter flat 6 it had.

I can't imagine horse power being a lot higher than 250 ish horsepower and I would fear turbo lag preventing getting low end torque.

I like the looks and interior so far, but I am very concerned it will not perform with that engine...

Anyone else have any feedback?
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  1. Didn't see any info from Subaru that confirmed 2.4L size, only that it'd be a DIT engine. (But rumors have indeed been 2.4L).
  2. FHI product manager (?) previously interviewed said they realized Tribeca failed because it did not have enough room or power. If they know why it failed, they will address those issues. This will be more powerful than Tribeca was.
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:53 PM   #38
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guys, the 2.4L is 20% bigger than current 2.0L DIT. It its WRX form, peaking at 268, we could extrapolate that 320hp would be realistic. Maybe a tad lower to get more torque? We don't know.



I think 300/300 would be enough, depending on the vehicle's weight obviously.

Towing I am not sure.



// Bad comparo



Look at the X5 with the N55 (300/300), its ok but guzzles a lot of gaz because of the vehicle's weight. In the X3, its perfectly fine.



I am very surprised but have a feeling they will screw this up for production model.I saw an article confirming the wheels would be 21 inc, 275.



As if,


The 2.0 is capable of 296 hp. 20% more of that is 355hp
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Feedback:
  1. Didn't see any info from Subaru that confirmed 2.4L size, only that it'd be a DIT engine. (But rumors have indeed been 2.4L).
  2. FHI product manager (?) previously interviewed said they realized Tribeca failed because it did not have enough room or power. If they know why it failed, they will address those issues. This will be more powerful than Tribeca was.
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There haven’t been many powertrain details revealed, but Subaru says the Ascent will use a new turbocharged horizontally-opposed 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine with direct injection. This makes the Tribeca replacement the second large three-row crossover to downsize to a turbo-four
http://www.motortrend.com/news/subar...row-crossover/

Their source just says Subaru, but I don't think it is a rumor any more.

I am hopeful as you and others have said it will make enough power. A turbo 4 is just not what I had in mind...
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:59 PM   #40
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So at least the 2.4DIT is confirmed now. Maybe that means the EJ257 will finally die.

Now they only need to offer a performance hatchback and I'll switch back to Subaru from Toyota.
next sti engine maybe?
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Old 04-12-2017, 03:34 PM   #41
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I am not a fan of the wheel wells. Look too big/cartoonish.

Would love to hear drive-line specs.

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Old 04-12-2017, 03:40 PM   #42
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I think a 2.4L will be capable of 300HP on regular fuel.. the ancient 2.5L can do 305 on premium... with DI and a redesign it can probably hit that number with more torque and better gas mileage.

I was hoping to see screens built into the back of the headrests.. isnt that kind of stuff popular in large SUVs now?

Think Subaru finally added ventilated seats? Those seats look like they would support it..

Hope this is plopped into the next STI.. I wouldn't mind being able to get 300 HP on regular gas and tree fiddy on 93. /all speculation of course... Premium in my area used to be 20 cents a gallon more, but as of the last 2 months its been a solid 70-80 cents a gallon more.

If the engine can run on regular, I bet it will replace the 3.6R in the Outback and Legacy.

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Old 04-12-2017, 03:46 PM   #43
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. . . I was hoping to see screens built into the back of the headrests.. isnt that kind of stuff popular in large SUVs now?. . .
Could still be offered as an option. However, there is less demand for them with tablets and smart phones becoming so ubiquitous.
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I think a 2.4L will be capable of 300HP on regular fuel.. the ancient 2.5L can do 305 on premium... with DI and a redesign it can probably hit that number with more torque and better gas mileage.

I was hoping to see screens built into the back of the headrests.. isnt that kind of stuff popular in large SUVs now?

Think Subaru finally added ventilated seats? Those seats look like they would support it..

Hope this is plopped into the next STI.. I wouldn't mind being able to get 300 HP on regular gas and tree fiddy on 93. /all speculation of course... Premium in my area used to be 20 cents a gallon more, but as of the last 2 months its been a solid 70-80 cents a gallon more.
not just the STI, the legacy and outback are getting that motor too. I see resurrection of the long lost legacy GT and the very old outback XT. If the legacy is getting that engine, then please subaru of America either bring back the legacy GT or make the legacy sport with the same turbo 4.
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If they put the 2.4 turbo 4 engines in the legacy and the outback, subaru of Canada will be rejoicing and throwing their hands in the air like there is no tomorrow if they still get manual trims. A turbo 4 outback and legacy with a manual, sweet Jesus the possibilities for numerous tuners. If they do people may drive to Montreal, buy the outback or legacy, and then drive down the highway back home with a huge smile on their face.

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The Mazda CX-9 seems to be capable using a 2.5L DIT 4 cylinder and from the first reviews I've seen the high torque made it peppy enough. I think this 2.4L will follow suit... twin scroll, high torque, and proper gearing... I'm guessing it will do just fine.

Don't forget its on the SGP too, which is lighter than any previous Subaru chassis.
The Mazda CX-9 engine is a long stroker that is rated for 87 AKI gas operation.
Just like the Ford EB 2.3L.
The only way for Subaru to follow suit is to go long stroke as well. That's key, IMO. But, then again, I hope there's enough room between the rails...
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The Mazda CX-9 engine is a long stroker that is rated for 87 AKI gas operation.
Just like the Ford EB 2.3L.
The only way for Subaru to follow suit is to go long stroke as well. That's key, IMO. But, then again, I hope there's enough room between the rails...
Depending on how they package it, it could be possible to have a longer stroke. The SGP makes for wider vehicles too so there could be more room for a revised stroker boxer in the engine bay. In any case, 2.x litre DIT engines are fully capable of doing SUV duty... I really don't think 6-cylinders are necessary.
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Put this engine into the next gen STI plz.
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Anyone care to speculate as to what kind of funkiness is going on with the back of the driver and front passenger seatbacks? Looks like the whole panel should fold down or come off.
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Depending on how they package it, it could be possible to have a longer stroke. The SGP makes for wider vehicles too so there could be more room for a revised stroker boxer in the engine bay. In any case, 2.x litre DIT engines are fully capable of doing SUV duty... I really don't think 6-cylinders are necessary.
true in a way, but when building for the American market, you have to consider that some buyers might get turned off with a turbo 4 pulling a vehicle this size with standard all wheel drive. That is where having a turbo 6 as a secondary comes in handy. But I understand that the right mix of fuel economy and power would solve any issues.
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