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Old 10-30-2018, 11:00 AM   #51
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Keep it fun and inexpensive. Keep it a manual. Throw some TRD struts and springs and sways and have fun as it is. Plenty of pep to have some fun in.

It is FAR from anemic like Subarus base offerings.
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Old 10-30-2018, 11:22 AM   #52
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Many people don't realize how much you can dial in fun, including oversteer with suspension tuning. Even in FWD.
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Old 10-30-2018, 11:25 AM   #53
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No need to use Force induction the motor. put a quick reving 2.5 at around 220 HP.


Id be OK with the 2.5 from the Camry, too. It wouldnt be super difficult to get it to 220 from the base 206hp.
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Old 10-30-2018, 03:48 PM   #54
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Keep it fun and inexpensive.
Is $24k plus some really expensive TRD suspension bits considered cheap these days?
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Old 10-30-2018, 03:56 PM   #55
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Is $24k plus some really expensive TRD suspension bits considered cheap these days?
Compact hatchbacks start around $19-$20k these days, and when you get into the higher trims or options, yeah tack on another $4k-$5k; welcome to the new world.
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Old 10-30-2018, 05:55 PM   #56
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Compact hatchbacks start around $19-$20k these days, and when you get into the higher trims or options, yeah tack on another $4k-$5k; welcome to the new world.
GET OFF MY LAWN, SONNY!

Seriously, though, it's not that much cheaper than a Focus ST, is it?
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Old 10-31-2018, 07:06 AM   #57
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GET OFF MY LAWN, SONNY!

Seriously, though, it's not that much cheaper than a Focus ST, is it?
it is and it isn't - a base model ST hatch is $5k+/- more expensive than a base model Corolla hatch (or Focus hatch for that matter). That's 25% of it's MSRP though, which realtively speaking, is a lot of money for the segment.

If you check the boxes, you bring the price of a Corolla hatch (or Focus hatch) up to $24k+/-, just under the price of the base model ST.

I mean, just about every car works this way - base model->mid tier model->expensive model->base performance model->mid tier performance model->loaded performance model.

Impreza->impreza WRX->impreza WRX STi, each with their own sub tiers (base, mid, loaded).
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it is and it isn't - a base model ST hatch is $5k+/- more expensive than a base model Corolla hatch (or Focus hatch for that matter). That's 25% of it's MSRP though, which realtively speaking, is a lot of money for the segment.



If you check the boxes, you bring the price of a Corolla hatch (or Focus hatch) up to $24k+/-, just under the price of the base model ST.



I mean, just about every car works this way - base model->mid tier model->expensive model->base performance model->mid tier performance model->loaded performance model.



Impreza->impreza WRX->impreza WRX STi, each with their own sub tiers (base, mid, loaded).

Yea, and you just have the entirely different target market. The Corolla HB comes with all the safety tech standard, CarPlay, etc. The focus offers great performance for the dollar but is quite low rent inside unless you get a lot closer to $30k and is on a platform that is a few breaths from dying.
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Old 10-31-2018, 01:02 PM   #59
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Ive said this before, as someone who went from a Corolla S+ to a GTI, there is no way a 30 hp bump is going to transform that Corolla into anywhere near a GTI for the $$$. Spending extra to make it handle better could be spent toward a far superior performing bone stock GTI. Want to go waaay faster in a GTI? It will cost peanuts. A necessary set of tires would actually cost more.

We are nearing 3 years on the GTI and besides a couple minor things and odd confusing messages, its been a solid performing commuter. No turbo noises or failures so far. No exploded hubs. No failed electrics or fires. The apple interface has performed flawlessly, which is actually better than the Corolla that had a similar setup. While the Corolla got better average mileage than the GTI, Im not sure this hatch will. It may split the difference, but were talking 2 or 3 mpg better. The loud pedal beckons in the GTI and could account for the 28 mpg combined. Which considering the amount of tire roasting it does, it should be way worse.

So unless having a warm Toyota hatch is the most important thing, just like the iM I skipped, Im also skipping almost but not quite this thing. Besides, Toyota is launching that Lexus UX cute ute with hybrid AWD. Id wait and see if that trickles down to the Corolla hatch.
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Like the blue but missing a turbo
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Keep it fun and inexpensive. Keep it a manual. Throw some TRD struts and springs and sways and have fun as it is. Plenty of pep to have some fun in.

It is FAR from anemic like Subarus base offerings.
Without cruise control
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