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Old 02-13-2011, 11:39 AM   #1
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So when I bought my WRX maybe about a 1/2 year ago I always felt like my suspension wasn't nearly as good as my previous WRX. This winter it started making a lot more noises and the handling got worse. Bumps are potholes are more dramatic than they should be, and the "creaking" got worse. Took it to my local Subaru guy, says everything is safe but my struts in the rear and getting weak, and my bushings could (but he said couldn't guarantee it) be whats making the noises, with winter grim getting in there.

I bought this WRX a little beat up but for a really good price knowing that it would be my project fixing and replacing a lot of things.

After all that my question is, should I get coilovers? This is what some of my friends suggest I do and my mechanic wasn't against the idea either. I'd like to upgrade the handling over stock but do not want an unbearably stiff ride either since its my DD.


A friend suggested H&R coilovers, supposed to be really good and they claim not to make your ride comfort awful. Running at like $1200. Any suggestions of something better? Or something that would be better and a lot cheaper? Because I could think of a lot of other things I need as well and not having to dump $1200 into suspension. Comments and opinions appreciated
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:37 AM   #2
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If noises bother you coilovers are not the answer. The stiffer springs and solid upper mounts are only going to click, clunk, and annoy you further.


You can get new OE replacement struts (KYB GR-2) from just-suspension.com for around $300 shipped. That will help you retain ride quality for your daily driver. Pending the number of miles on your car it might also be a good idea to replace the upper strut mounts front and rear. If you browse the classifieds you can probably find someone selling a lower mileage used set for a reasonable price. If not I know you can get new strut mounts from that same website.

Your stock springs should be in good shape, but if you desire a mild handling/appearance upgrade the stock dampers (or OE replacements) should handle a slightly stiffer spring than stock. You could pickup some stock STi springs for cheap or take a look at the Swift WRX spec springs, Epic Engineering springs, or Mach V springs.

For less than the price of a cheap coilover you can get better quality parts and retain some level of ride comfort.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:06 AM   #3
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If noises bother you coilovers are not the answer...
For less than the price of a cheap coilover you can get better quality parts and retain some level of ride comfort.
921 has great advice. Read it again.

If you don't like NVH from your suspension system coilovers are NOT the route to go.

Please don't buy a cheap coilover setup. You can get so much more out of a good pairing of quality struts and springs. Hell I go so far as to write that the OEM struts with just SPT "Pinks" will be better than any ~$1300 coilover kit.

You will pay for a quality set of coilovers.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:03 PM   #4
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921 has great advice. Read it again.

If you don't like NVH from your suspension system coilovers are NOT the route to go.

Please don't buy a cheap coilover setup. You can get so much more out of a good pairing of quality struts and springs. Hell I go so far as to write that the OEM struts with just SPT "Pinks" will be better than any ~$1300 coilover kit.

You will pay for a quality set of coilovers.


I don't mind certain noises, just currently I cannot stand the dramatic bump/hit sounds coming from my car and the constant creaking all the time, is driving my insane! Also the fact that it handles like a POS, honestly cant take it any longer.


That's good to know though I might reconsider coilovers then. I can assume that the $1200 H&R coilovers would be considered "cheap" coilovers? I honestly thought they were a really good choice and I was already paying a lot to get those high quality coilovers haha
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:29 PM   #5
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I don't mind certain noises, just currently I cannot stand the dramatic bump/hit sounds coming from my car and the constant creaking all the time, is driving my insane! Also the fact that it handles like a POS, honestly cant take it any longer.


That's good to know though I might reconsider coilovers then. I can assume that the $1200 H&R coilovers would be considered "cheap" coilovers? I honestly thought they were a really good choice and I was already paying a lot to get those high quality coilovers haha
If your set on coilovers, sometimes you can find a "higher end" set with low miles for a decent price. But if your going to do that look for something with relatively low spring rates to deal with daily driving. Also that is a very tough move to make because you have no knowledge of the shape they are in regardless what is posted. For instance I was able to find a set of white line group 4's for under 1k with 7k miles and they ride great. But no coilover in general will be quiet nor ride nearly as good as a strut/spring setup.

Also the dramatic noises you describe will be more prominent with coilovers then your stock suspension when it was up to par. Every bump will have a thud and every pothole a bang. But they handle great

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Old 02-14-2011, 07:34 PM   #6
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Sounds good fellas I think you've talked me outa coilovers. Definitely my goal is to attain stock wrx handling back and I'd like to achieve the best handling possible that A. Won't completely ruin my ride comfort and B. without spending more than $1200. What spring/strut setup would be close to those high demand? also I'd like to add I have a APC front tower strut bar as well as a no name brand rear. Waiting to fix my current suspension problem before installing. I guess I should ask this as well, good idea to install these? At least the front right? Complete noob here if you haven't gotten that yet hahha
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Sounds good fellas I think you've talked me outa coilovers. Definitely my goal is to attain stock wrx handling back and I'd like to achieve the best handling possible that A. Won't completely ruin my ride comfort and B. without spending more than $1200. What spring/strut setup would be close to those high demand? also I'd like to add I have a APC front tower strut bar as well as a no name brand rear. Waiting to fix my current suspension problem before installing. I guess I should ask this as well, good idea to install these? At least the front right? Complete noob here if you haven't gotten that yet hahha
Yeah for 1200 bucks I believe you can get a very nice setup from TiC or other vendors on here. They will ride much better then "entry" level coilovers. As for the strut bars a no name brand all around probably would be just as effective. But if you can afford the real deal why not and it looks better then having no names. You can get ebay ones which sure do save a whole lot in the pocket for like just over 100 shipped + you get an H brace.

I put on each piece individually then took the car through a series of turns and found which made the biggest difference.

H Brace > RSTB > FSTB

If you want to tighten up the front end I suggest a set of front cowl braces. They made a significant difference in turn in/responsiveness from the front end when you whip the wheel back and forth for instance and are very affordable.
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:04 AM   #8
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heres my question. i want my car to ride like a beemer. i still want to lower the car, someone suggested kw coilovers. what do u peeps think ? or what brand should i get for comfortable ride? or should i get new struts and mounts?
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Old 03-03-2011, 08:21 PM   #9
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heres my question. i want my car to ride like a beemer. i still want to lower the car, someone suggested kw coilovers. what do u peeps think ? or what brand should i get for comfortable ride? or should i get new struts and mounts?
There is only two proper ways to go low and retain function. Coils or bags, springs do lower you a little bit. Not really enough to notice it unless you park next to stock. So remember you have to pay to play, if you don't like it drive a moped!

KW makes great stuff, I am a BMW man myself. But if you want to go low and stay within a comfort ride you are going to want to find coilovers with spring travel.

I suggest finding springs rates around 280-mid 400s.

These are perfect for what you are looking for:
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/part...vers/RS2/11205


Lots of drop 1.2-3.5 front and rear. Also has 18 way adjustable dampening and Dual Height adjustment to allow lowering without losing shock travel and ride comfort. This is PERFECT for what you are looking for, and you don't have to spend over 2k to get well made products that will do the job and beyond. Only way these get better is if they came with front camber plates. For the money you cannot beat these.

If you want a race(stiff&solid) setup I 100% back up Ground-Control. You can call them up and tell them what you are planning on using it for. They will help you pick your rates and go over what struts and shocks are best suited for the tasks. I suggest Koni adjustable sports since you can dial in how low you want to go. 399.00 conv kit is a GREAT kit that you have to do some minor fabbing and welding. Also IF the springs ever get soft GC will send you another set no charge.

http://www.ground-control-store.com/...gory.php/CA=25

I personally have this on my track BMW E30:
-Ground Control conv kit(I fabbed and welded everything myself)
Rates:525Front/750Rear
-Koni adj sports F&R
-F&R tower braces
-Ground control camber plates
-Ground control race shock mounts
-TreeHouseRacing eyeball bushings
-Meyle control arms
-AKG Sub,Diff polly bushings
-IE polly trailing arm bushings
-IE polly steering bushing
-Metal reinforced motor mounts

Granted it is over 3k including polly bushings, but what I am getting at is I made the race coils for under 1,700.

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