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Old 12-31-2017, 07:59 AM   #3601
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anyone selling there flared sti?
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:47 PM   #3602
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Old 01-26-2018, 12:10 PM   #3603
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Has anyone had any quality issues with the latest generation of Karlton Flares by Suby Flares? I am in the process of getting a set installed and one of the rear door pieces has some serious quality control issues and isn't useable. The body shop that is doing the install tells me that Suby Flares has shipped a replacement piece and while I didnt deal with them directly, they seem to offer good customer service. I was just wondering if anyone else had an issue like this.


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My rear door pieces also have horrible fitment issues.
Did you wind up getting new ones from Keith? Or do heavy, heavy, HEAVY massaging and sanding??

My drivers-side looks almost identical to yours



Pass side a lil better, but still not pleased



Currently how she sits;
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Old 01-27-2018, 10:03 AM   #3604
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That door piece, is it a solid lump of material? Or is it a fiberglass shell filled with filler material?

Mine also fit kinda meh so Iím wondering how much I can reshape them
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Old 01-28-2018, 04:33 PM   #3605
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That door piece, is it a solid lump of material? Or is it a fiberglass shell filled with filler material?

Mine also fit kinda meh so Iím wondering how much I can reshape them


On my car we did a lot of modification to the door and quarter panel to make everything fit right, but the door piece is pretty solid.
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Old 01-29-2018, 03:33 AM   #3606
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Never been game enough to do this to my 05 wrx.
always wanted to do it better never had the balls to cut away at my fenders.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:48 AM   #3607
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I'll re-download the app on my phone so I can post mine.
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Old 01-29-2018, 10:33 AM   #3608
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That door piece, is it a solid lump of material? Or is it a fiberglass shell filled with filler material?

Mine also fit kinda meh so Iím wondering how much I can reshape them

Mine's a solid hunk of material so it'll take MUCH more sanding than if it were a shell like the other 6 pieces.

But since I got nothing but time I think I'm gonna start sanding the curve on the bottom of my door piece, which "should" lessen the gap at least somewhat.
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Old 02-06-2018, 02:00 AM   #3609
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Seeing all the bugeyes that are flared makes me want to flare mine.
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Old 03-02-2018, 07:01 PM   #3610
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Old 03-06-2018, 12:38 PM   #3611
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I was planning on buying an Anti Lift Kit, does anyone have any fitment issues running an ALK? I autocrossed a few weeks ago (very bumpy course) and one of my fender liner came off due to rubbing the liner. Running 285/30/18 on 18x10.5 +22 btw.
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:54 PM   #3612
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Are you planning to use Bashwak edge trim or some other brand? The gasket sit between the flare and fender.
Thanks
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Old 03-14-2018, 09:25 PM   #3613
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I'm just going to post the fitment pictures of the Keith Hentges "SubyFlares" as they were delivered. Notes: Car is a 2003 WRX with 80k miles and has never been wrecked - not even a fender-bender. Body is straight as an arrow.

Rear Passenger Side

Pic 1: Lined up the flare with the bottom of the bumper - passenger side rear

Pic 2: Then lined up the bit at the top where it meets the door (as best I could)

Pic 3: Which then left this HUGE misalignment at the front of the rear fenderwell. Moving this part up to fit closer made the top of the flare be not even close to the correct location.

Pic 4: Overall shot of the flare

Pics 5, 6, and 7: The door piece fitment is atrocious. I'm going to have to remake this piece entirely (both sides are this bad)

Moving to the front (also passenger side)

Pic 8: Flare is aligned as well as possible with the fender opening. Flare is touching the fender at the green arrow. Red arrows show the gaps.

Pic 9: If the flare is moved a bit, the point of contact changes (green arrow) and the gaps change position but are not eliminated

Pic 10: If I force the top of the flare to contact the fender, the gap opens up at the bottom substantially


**Full disclosure: Keith offered me a refund when I asked for one. However after speaking with a guy that repairs fiberglass boats, he said he can work with the flares and make them fit. At a cost of $500-$700 ... which is 1/2 the price that the body shop told me **

If you fully expected these to bolt directly on with zero modification, you're gonna have a bad time. If you're not gonna pay a shop to fit and finish the flares and your gonna DIY (which it looks like you're doing), it's not for the faint of heart. You can't be afraid to drill/trim more parts of your car, and sand and trim and fit the ever loving **** out of the flares.

For instance, we all know the rear door pieces fit atrociously- You can see my before pics above. I have about 3hrs worth of sanding with a dremel on the drivers-side door piece alone, and it's still not perfect by any means but is a thousand times better than before.


In addition to another 3hrs for EACH rear flare and I can easily see a custom body shop spending 20-30hrs fitting and finishing them, times whatever rate custom body work goes for, $50/hr??? = $$$$
For the rear flares I lined up the rear half of the flare best I could with the body lines, and trimmed/sanded the front half of the flare because if I **** it up.... (hopefully) the door pieces will cover it up.

Step 1) fit flare up, and mark up where the gap is too close to the body.
Step 2) trim/sand where you marked up, and repeat. Ad nauseam.


My drivers-side front flare also had the same HUGE gap on the top.


So my solution, which still has yet to be proven out mind you, was to epoxy a bolt to the top inside of the flare (where the gap was biggest), drill (yet another) hole in my fender for the corresponding bolt. Again you can't be afraid to get a little creative with this.



By far the best fitting piece is the front passenger side (needed zero trimming, fit perfectly), and by far the worst piece is the front bumper piece.
It sticks out almost an inch I haven't decided if I'm gonna run these bumper pieces yet since I can't think of a way to fix this issue yet
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Old 03-15-2018, 10:07 AM   #3614
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Out of curiosity, is there a reason these are so far off? I was under the impression that these were supposed to fit really well, which is one reason they cost what they do. I realize that these were originally molded off a car that had the fenders rolled/pulled already, so if that wasn't done on the customers car, there would be some extra work that would need done. Don't get me wrong. I'm still interested in buying these over other manufacturers, but it seems like if I'm going to spend twice what other manufacturers charge for flares, these should fit better.
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:41 PM   #3615
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I'm purely speculating here since I've laid normal fiberglass before but never in a vacuum-formed mold, which I'm assuming these are? Or some sort of mold at least.
Theory 1) Fiberglass resin puts off a decent amount of heat when it's curing, any slight difference in amount of resin could possibly cause slight warpage?... But if it is in a vacuum mold "should" pretty uniformly spread out the resin...
Theory 2 a/b) I'm not sure if the fiberglass pieces are already pre-cut into their correct shape before being laid in the mold or not;
2a) If they are already pre-cut, then simply misaligning the layers on top of each other when they're in the mold = distortion.
2b) If they're not pre-cut that means they're oversized pieces being laid in the mold, then the excess gets cut off once cured. Manual trimming opens the door for errors.

Again, speculation.
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Old 03-17-2018, 12:28 AM   #3616
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I just got done installing my karltons over the past couple weeks. Out of the box I would say fitment was 7.5 out of 10. I had a lot of the same issues when installing them. I did everything myself (first time doing something like this) I did a lot of trimming and sanding to make everything fit. I would say I got them 9 out of 10 now. Just got keep working on them. Unless you are willing to fork over 100s if not 1000s of dollars to have someone else do it.




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Old 03-17-2018, 12:51 AM   #3617
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I don't like the big wings like that but other than that I really like your car. Clean and your fitment is really good. Flares look fit perfect. Good job.
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Old 03-31-2018, 09:00 PM   #3618
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A comparison pic showing how much sanding and reshaping was needed for the bottom of the door pieces. Untouched passenger side on the left, reshaped drivers side on the right.



Another idea in case anyone else runs into the same problem I did, wanting to use the titanium dome head hardware from Pro-bolt.com. The OD of the head is bigger than the recessed pocket, needing to dremel the pocket out bigger.



Started noticing the fiberglass was getting pretty thin around where I was dremeling around the pockets. So I reinforced the backsides with some long strand fiberglass filler that I had laying around.



6 of the pieces are 95% finished. Still un-sure if I'm gonna run the front bumper pieces. Maybe I'll email Keith, see what he says.
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Old 04-01-2018, 08:34 AM   #3619
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Holy **** boots that is a **** ton of sanding.
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Old 04-03-2018, 01:24 PM   #3620
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Out of curiosity, is there a reason these are so far off? I was under the impression that these were supposed to fit really well, which is one reason they cost what they do. I realize that these were originally molded off a car that had the fenders rolled/pulled already, so if that wasn't done on the customers car, there would be some extra work that would need done. Don't get me wrong. I'm still interested in buying these over other manufacturers, but it seems like if I'm going to spend twice what other manufacturers charge for flares, these should fit better.


Crappy worn-out molds being used by someone who doesnít know what the F heís doing. Just another d-bag bilking money out of the online crowd.
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Old 04-06-2018, 08:54 AM   #3621
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Hey guys, I am wondering if anyone has had the need to space out their flares to fit larger applications and has used some sort of thicker rubber trim that has worked well to close the gap between the body and the flare. I am running 335 hoosiers on a 12" wheel and need to close a gap of approx 20mm in the rear.
Which offset 12s are you looking at? fitting the 335 on a GD is going to be tough. Are you running anything remotely close to that size right now?
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Old 04-06-2018, 10:12 AM   #3622
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Why don't you guys just return these if the fit so badly? What is the return policy?
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Old 04-08-2018, 04:29 PM   #3623
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Why don't you guys just return these if the fit so badly? What is the return policy?
Because there IS no return policy. First line of the order, from Keith himself.
"Please read:

Please read the disclaimer at the bottom before placing your order, refunds for "bad fitment" is not excepted."


You can color me 1000% surprised and perplexed. I installed the front bumper pieces and the pass side fits a million times better than I was expecting. I was expecting it to stick out 3/4" of an inch like before...
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But once bolted on, maybe only sticks out 1/4".

Maybe when they're painted I'll throw a 3rd screw on the flange on the tire side to pull this in a bit more, but I'm muchhhh happier now with this fitment!!


Other side is a bit better.


Finally I think they're ready for paint!
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:10 PM   #3624
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Hi Junkies; Looks like a lot of nice work you did. I am happy you liked it.
I have a question and maybe you can answer. I am installing on my impreza 2004 outback sport. Rear on almost done. Fender is trimmed sealed and nutserts are done. Front nutserts are done and I like your idea to epoxy the bolt from inside.
My question is if I install 225/40/18. Do I really need to trim the front fenders. I just don't see necessary if my tires are not that high. If I have to trim them, the fender liner would be lose what you guys did for the lose part.
Thanks taking your time to read my question and answer if you have time.
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Old 05-22-2018, 11:11 AM   #3625
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^225? Most people run 295 or 305. Was that a typo?
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