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Old 06-15-2021, 11:49 PM   #51
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https://carislife.hatenablog.com/ent...0/12/21/203000 this article speaks of a forester plugin hybrid.
"PHEV!*Subaru's new Forester EVOLTIS is also planned!"

*new Forester is scheduled to be equipped with a plug-in hybrid model version "Forester EVOLTIS" as a new generation powertrain.

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The new Forester PHV is equipped with a horizontally-opposed engine combined with a hybrid system provided by Toyota, which has a cooperative relationship.

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The EV cruising range, which runs only on electric motors, is expected to be set to about 60km, and it will be possible to run on electricity alone in daily life.

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What is the "Symmetrical Motor AWD" of the new Forester PHV?

The new Forester PHV will be equipped with the "Symmetrical Motor AWD," which was announced under the concept "SUBARU VIZIV FUTURE CONCEPT."

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"Symmetrical motor AWD" uses an electric motor to drive the rear tires, eliminating the propeller shaft that transmits the driving force to the rear.

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This will expand the interior space and improve fuel efficiency by using regenerative energy for driving.

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Old 06-16-2021, 01:52 AM   #52
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That turbo has me intrigued......opcorn :
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Old 06-16-2021, 09:15 AM   #53
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https://carislife.hatenablog.com/ent...0/12/21/203000 this article speaks of a forester plugin hybrid.
"PHEV!*Subaru's new Forester EVOLTIS is also planned!"

*new Forester is scheduled to be equipped with a plug-in hybrid model version "Forester EVOLTIS" as a new generation powertrain.

*

The new Forester PHV is equipped with a horizontally-opposed engine combined with a hybrid system provided by Toyota, which has a cooperative relationship.

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The EV cruising range, which runs only on electric motors, is expected to be set to about 60km, and it will be possible to run on electricity alone in daily life.

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What is the "Symmetrical Motor AWD" of the new Forester PHV?

The new Forester PHV will be equipped with the "Symmetrical Motor AWD," which was announced under the concept "SUBARU VIZIV FUTURE CONCEPT."

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"Symmetrical motor AWD" uses an electric motor to drive the rear tires, eliminating the propeller shaft that transmits the driving force to the rear.

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This will expand the interior space and improve fuel efficiency by using regenerative energy for driving.

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Well, considering Evoltis is the Ascent in South America, etc., not electrification related, I find this to be unrealistic. Also, why make a Forester PHEV when the Solterra is coming out?
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Old 06-16-2021, 09:43 AM   #54
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Well, considering Evoltis is the Ascent in South America, etc., not electrification related, I find this to be unrealistic. Also, why make a Forester PHEV when the Solterra is coming out?
Well, I think you kinda explained it in your previous post, to be a compliance vehicle and meet CAFE. PHEV's are much cheaper and still qualify for tax rebates. Depending on where you live PHEV's are cheaper than hybrids. The best example is the Niro hybrid, Niro PHEV, and Niro EV. Yes, PHEVs are "bridge" or "gap" vehicles but there are so many people who are not sure or want to jump to EV's yet. But for a PHEV to succeed, it needs some decent EV range.
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Old 06-16-2021, 10:04 AM   #55
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Well, I think you kinda explained it in your previous post, to be a compliance vehicle and meet CAFE. PHEV's are much cheaper and still qualify for tax rebates. Depending on where you live PHEV's are cheaper than hybrids. The best example is the Niro hybrid, Niro PHEV, and Niro EV. Yes, PHEVs are "bridge" or "gap" vehicles but there are so many people who are not sure or want to jump to EV's yet. But for a PHEV to succeed, it needs some decent EV range.
Yes, I hear you, but Solterra is Forester sized. A Forester PHEV and Solterra BEV would be competitors to each other.

The Crosstrek PHEV is ending, so it is odd to me to start up that program on a new model.

PHEV are confusing to consumers, which is why the e-Boxer is an easier way to help CAFE and make it fairly invisible to buyers...they just save money on gas w/o having to think about it.

For people who understand and appreciate EV driving, the Solterra will be more compelling vs a PHEV.
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Old 06-16-2021, 11:26 AM   #56
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2022 Subaru Forester Gets Sharper Styling, Likely Wilderness Trim
Hints of a new, off-road-themed model drop alongside Japanese-market model.

A New Engine? Probably Not

Currently, the Forester is available with a 182-hp 2.5-liter flat-four engine in the U.S. The previous-gen compact SUV was available with an optional turbocharged 2.0-liter flat-four, but that was nixed when the current-generation Forester appeared for 2019. We don't anticipate the single-engine lineup will change here in America, even though the Japanese-market Forester is offered with a spiffy turbocharged 1.8-liter flat-four (as it was before this refresh). Ditto the JDM model's baseline powertrain: a 2.0-liter flat-four with electric assist.
As before, every Forester comes standard with all-wheel drive. In Japan, the Forester also comes in a number of trim levels that more or less mimic those offered here, including a sporty-looking Sport, luxurious Advance (similar to our Touring), and, confusingly, a Touring trim that's really more akin to our entry-level Premium trim.

There also is an off-road-themed X-Break model that looks primed to make the jump to America as the latest addition to the brand's Wilderness trim, which recently debuted on the 2022 Outback. The Subaru Outback Wilderness gets a lifted suspension, knobby tires, and—critically present on the Forester X-Break—orange interior and exterior accents, as well as waterproof seats. When will we see the 2022 Subaru Forester in the U.S.? Likely soon, given how 2022 model Subaru vehicles are inching their way into the brand's U.S. model line. This includes the aforementioned Outback, as well as the new BRZ sport coupe.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...-forester-jdm/
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Old 06-16-2021, 11:40 AM   #57
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Aw snap! Orange accents are still here!
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Old 06-16-2021, 02:38 PM   #58
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[...]which is why the e-Boxer is an easier way to help CAFE and make it fairly invisible to buyers...they just save money on gas w/o having to think about it.[...]
Except that the e-Boxer, as implemented, might not actually be that much better than the CB18DIT gasser (take a look at WLTC test results reported by Subaru).
But, I agree with you, at this point, the EV makes more sense than the PHEV.
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Old 06-16-2021, 02:41 PM   #59
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LOL @ "Symmetrical Motor AWD".
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LOL @ "Symmetrical Motor AWD".
It's perfect for buyers who are primarily worried about how much their dog likes their new car.
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Old 06-16-2021, 03:08 PM   #61
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Except that the e-Boxer, as implemented, might not actually be that much better than the CB18DIT gasser (take a look at WLTC test results reported by Subaru).
But, I agree with you, at this point, the EV makes more sense than the PHEV.
I guess, I'd hope that a Hybrid version would be better than a pure ICE.
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Old 06-16-2021, 03:35 PM   #62
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Yes, I hear you, but Solterra is Forester sized. A Forester PHEV and Solterra BEV would be competitors to each other.

The Crosstrek PHEV is ending, so it is odd to me to start up that program on a new model.

PHEV are confusing to consumers, which is why the e-Boxer is an easier way to help CAFE and make it fairly invisible to buyers...they just save money on gas w/o having to think about it.

For people who understand and appreciate EV driving, the Solterra will be more compelling vs a PHEV.
I don't think PHEV models have a huge consumer interest. It seems in Europe, they get quite a bit of government support (tax credits) that manufacturers take advantage. PHEVs also get criticism for their actual environmental impact.

Interesting, but not surprising, Honda confirmed they are ending the Clarity Fuel Cell and PHEV due to slow sales. It offered 48 mile EV range.
https://www.motor1.com/news/514363/h...-discontinued/
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I don't think PHEV models have a huge consumer interest. It seems in Europe, they get quite a bit of government support (tax credits) that manufacturers take advantage. PHEVs also get criticism for their actual environmental impact.

Interesting, but not surprising, Honda confirmed they are ending the Clarity Fuel Cell and PHEV due to slow sales. It offered 48 mile EV range.
https://www.motor1.com/news/514363/h...-discontinued/
Agreed. If you are into electrification, then you want a BEV. I'm sure there are some people who want to dip their toe into the EV world, so PHEV or Hybrid is that chance, but for most consumers they just want to save money. BEV/PHEV/Hybrid are usually more money upfront for a distant potential fuel savings.
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I guess, I'd hope that a Hybrid version would be better than a pure ICE.
Unfortunately, that's not the case with FB20; electric assist just makes it about on par with CB18DIT.
That's why I have been saying that, logically, CB18DIT should replace both FB20 and FB25.
It's just that much more efficient (better than FB20) while delivering about as much power as FB25.
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Agreed. If you are into electrification, then you want a BEV. I'm sure there are some people who want to dip their toe into the EV world, so PHEV or Hybrid is that chance, but for most consumers they just want to save money. BEV/PHEV/Hybrid are usually more money upfront for a distant potential fuel savings.
I think there's probably some demand for things like the rav4 prime. E.g., ICE cars that use various electric technologies to optimize performance and/or fuel economy.

When I bought my wife's Outback, I would have gladly payed extra for something similar that used regenerative breaking to power a mild hybrid for added performance. I was actually pretty surprised how few cars offered such a thing.
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I think there's probably some demand for things like the rav4 prime. E.g., ICE cars that use various electric technologies to optimize performance and/or fuel economy.

When I bought my wife's Outback, I would have gladly payed extra for something similar that used regenerative breaking to power a mild hybrid for added performance. I was actually pretty surprised how few cars offered such a thing.
Yea, there should be a demand. Rav4 Prime is a nice example. I think it's just a hard sell, expensive to implement and gas engines have gotten very fuel efficient, so the consumers go for ICE. Plus, gas has been cheap.
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Unfortunately, that's not the case with FB20; electric assist just makes it about on par with CB18DIT.
That's why I have been saying that, logically, CB18DIT should replace both FB20 and FB25.
It's just that much more efficient (better than FB20) while delivering about as much power as FB25.
true but the CB18 turbo still makes less power than the FA24DIT that is already in the states for the larger vehicles. however on cars like the impreza and crosstrek, the CB18 is very viable since it is better than the current FB20. we have to wait and see what eventually comes down the road
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true but the CB18 turbo still makes less power than the FA24DIT that is already in the states for the larger vehicles. however on cars like the impreza and crosstrek, the CB18 is very viable since it is better than the current FB20. we have to wait and see what eventually comes down the road
Sure, I agree, CB18 is no replacement for FA24DIT. Something like an FXT would need/demand FA24DIT.
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Plus, gas has been cheap.
Maybe where you are. My most recent fill up last week was $4.69 for 91
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Maybe where you are. My most recent fill up last week was $4.69 for 91
Someone mentioned $4.90 up here...

EDIT: Mono county price average for today is $5.042

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Maybe where you are. My most recent fill up last week was $4.69 for 91
Not today. Gas has been cheap over the past 5 years or so, hence the increased shift to Trucks/SUV/CUV and the lack of demand for hybrids+ from low priced model consumers.
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Old 06-17-2021, 01:00 PM   #72
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