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Old 08-22-2019, 10:26 AM   #1
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Default 2020 Honda Civic Si Refresh

LED headlights , Honda Sensing, New seats, and a different final drive ratio.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/updated-2020-honda-civic-si-priced-msrp-starting-price/
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Old 08-22-2019, 12:49 PM   #2
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It's some nice updates. Plus a knob on the radio. Though the price bump of $900 is not.

Minor updates to the bumper vents are a little better than than a giant slab of plastic.
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:21 PM   #3
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That coupe looks better than the TypeR.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:15 PM   #4
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I will be glad when this generation of Civic is finished. I see a lot of these (regular civics) on the roads and they are so homely. The CTR IMO looks better in person and the Si looks okay but the regular ones just don't look good at all. I'm not sure if this refresh is an improvement as the color matched line (grill crossbar according to the article) makes the design look busier than it was before. Lower models have chrome instead of color matched and doesn't look that great.
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:24 AM   #5
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I just canít get over the spoiler on the sedan, it looks terrible. If they sold a hatch Si, I would have one in my driveway.
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:40 AM   #6
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The whole rear 3/4 view on the sedan is awkward looking.

Itís still a good looking car though, and cheap too.
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Old 08-26-2019, 06:44 AM   #7
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Default 2020 Civic Si Pays Gas Mileage Penalty for Quicker Acceleration

2020 Civic Si Pays Gas Mileage Penalty for Quicker Acceleration

https://www.cars.com/articles/2020-c...ration-408276/

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2020 Honda Civic Si gets a big tech upgrade for only $700 more
At just $25,000, the 2020 Civic Si looks to be a pretty sweet performance bargain.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...sedan-pricing/
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Old 11-08-2019, 06:46 AM   #8
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First drive review: 2020 Honda Civic Si brings performance to the masses

The 2020 Honda Civic Si twists and turns through Texas hill country outside of Austin with quiet, responsible competence. Its little turbo-4 doesnít scream for attention or lay down chunks of rubber, and its softly tuned suspension doesnít threaten the chiropractor budget. In fact, itís equally at home during the commute from downtown to out here, but its responses in the twistiest stretches reveal a performance credibility that fades into the background the vast majority of the time.

Honda calls the Civic Si the brandís gateway to performance, but itís the mildest of gateways. It feels more like the Civic family sedan than a tire-scrabbling competitor for, say, the Subaru WRX, and there's a lot of room between it and the Civic Type R.



Example: The Siís 1.5-liter turbo-4 slots into that bastion of fun, the Honda CR-V. Its clutch pedal is very light, and the ride quality is so forgiving that it seems more attuned to Uber duty than autocross runs, especially in sedan form (I doubt rideshare passengers would want to get into the back of the other option, the two-door coupe).

However, even when the road straightens out the Si drops hints that Honda engineers had performance in mind when developing it. The clutch may be light, but this car comes only with a manual transmission, and Hondaís manual shift action is among the best in the industry thanks short, positive throws.

It also rides on adjustable dampers, a rather costly feature for a car priced in the mid-$20,000 range. Click it into Sport mode and throttle response quickens ever so slightly and the two-way adjustable dampers provide a bit more welcome agility in these undulating hills, though the car still leans noticeably in corners. Sport mode does cause some minor bouncing motions on uneven freeway surfaces, but the ride never approaches firm.

Even more grown up
Honda released the Civic Si as a 2016 model, and the company has given it a minor update for 2020. The most obvious changes are on the outside, where it wears LED headlights and taillights for the first time, new front air intakes, and black wheels.

Inside, it now sports red trim on the dash and seats, a volume knob for the radio (yay!), and a new active sound control system.



The most important change is the addition of active safety features. They include forward-collision warnings with automatic emergency braking, active lane control, adaptive cruise control, and road-departure mitigation. Itís a rather responsible set of features for a rather responsible entry performance car.



The 2020 Civic Si has just one performance upgrade: a 6-percent lower final drive ratio of 4.35:1 versus 4.105:1 makes it easier for the 1.5-liter turbo-4 tap into its 205 horsepower and 192 pound-feet of torque. Itís only 1.5 liters, but 20.3 psi of max turbo boost helps it create decent power.

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Given its mild manners, the Civic Si seems out of place on a racetrack, especially a Formula 1-approved venue like Circuit of the Americas. Honda had to prepare these cars for track duty by installing accessory performance brake pads from Honda Performance Development and ticking the only option box on the order sheet: $200 for a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 summer tires.

The family-car traits surface on COTAís 3.4-mile road courseóa little too much body lean, the light clutch, modest poweróbut the Civic Siís performance cred starts to shine through as the laps pile up. The well-spaced shift gates make it easy to find each gear and the instrument cluster flashes a pair of red lines as well as a series of sequential lights to announce when itís time to shift near the 6,500 rpm redline.

Light and direct, the steering satisfies and the car turns in dutifully. The standard front limited-slip differential puts the power to the asphalt upon corner exit rather than losing it as wheel spin. Despite a new active sound control system, that power arrives as a droning whine that I wouldnít want to live with every day, but the little turbo-4 creates enough oomph to post a 0-60-mph time in the low 6s.
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:25 AM   #9
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2020 Civic Si Pays Gas Mileage Penalty for Quicker Acceleration

https://www.cars.com/articles/2020-c...ration-408276/

Also,

2020 Honda Civic Si gets a big tech upgrade for only $700 more
At just $25,000, the 2020 Civic Si looks to be a pretty sweet performance bargain.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...sedan-pricing/
I like honda but don't care for the build quality. Body panels, door handles, bumpers and fenders just feel cheap to me but I guess that is what you get for a cheaper priced car.
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Old 07-21-2020, 08:54 AM   #10
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Just when I think the Civic Si is a compelling overall package, Honda decides that it'll be taking a 1 year hiatus, leaving the 2020 Civic Si as a one year car.

I had convinced myself that the Si was the perfect car for me - economical, fun to drive, huge aftermarket, safe, relatively cheap, good fuel economy, good first car for my kids, etc. I had planned to buy one before the end of the year or, depending on Covid, early 2021. Even when the very attractive Bronco came out, I reminded myself that the Civic was the plan. Two days later, Honda axes it for a model year and, knowing them, the Si trim probably won't be available until 2022. I'm also not a fan of buying the first year. Oh well, wait and see I guess.
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Old 07-21-2020, 11:11 AM   #11
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They axed the Fit too and I still think it's the best gas commuter made, especially in manual transmission. If I had extra money sitting that I could use for this, I'd buy one myself. It's the ultimate commuter, grocery getter, drive to the gym, basically just your "necessary" driving.
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Old 07-21-2020, 12:19 PM   #12
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Just when I think the Civic Si is a compelling overall package, Honda decides that it'll be taking a 1 year hiatus, leaving the 2020 Civic Si as a one year car.

I had convinced myself that the Si was the perfect car for me - economical, fun to drive, huge aftermarket, safe, relatively cheap, good fuel economy, good first car for my kids, etc. I had planned to buy one before the end of the year or, depending on Covid, early 2021. Even when the very attractive Bronco came out, I reminded myself that the Civic was the plan. Two days later, Honda axes it for a model year and, knowing them, the Si trim probably won't be available until 2022. I'm also not a fan of buying the first year. Oh well, wait and see I guess.
Perfect time to buy then isnít it?
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Old 07-21-2020, 02:45 PM   #13
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Perfect time to buy then isn’t it?
Not with Covid hanging around.

I was hopeful that things would look better by the end of the year and I could get the new car taxes onto my 2020 return.
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Old 07-21-2020, 03:45 PM   #14
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As far as the Fit, I've owned all 3 generations MT and AT as my scooter as I like hatchbacks. The MT ones were fun to drive, just stupid slow. FiST is a lot more fun to drive and has similar Honda like shifter... no good cargo space like the Fit though, not that I really cared.
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Old 07-21-2020, 05:02 PM   #15
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Uhh, the fit part is upseting. They had one major redeeming quality, outside of practicality. The interiors are carnivorous. You can put so much crap in the back of them... Our first gen needs a repaint but it will soldier on till the day it dies. Maybe i will rattle can the thing when the paint goes horrid mode.

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Old 07-21-2020, 09:14 PM   #16
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Just when I think the Civic Si is a compelling overall package, Honda decides that it'll be taking a 1 year hiatus, leaving the 2020 Civic Si as a one year car.

I had convinced myself that the Si was the perfect car for me - economical, fun to drive, huge aftermarket, safe, relatively cheap, good fuel economy, good first car for my kids, etc. I had planned to buy one before the end of the year or, depending on Covid, early 2021. Even when the very attractive Bronco came out, I reminded myself that the Civic was the plan. Two days later, Honda axes it for a model year and, knowing them, the Si trim probably won't be available until 2022. I'm also not a fan of buying the first year. Oh well, wait and see I guess.
They should be available til November (when last 2020 production arrives in showrooms).

The 2022 Si is rumored to be out in late 2021.

I've been trying to find a 2020 Si sedan but they're hard to find right now, and the ones I found in the right color, dealers wanted sticker price.
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Not with Covid hanging around.

I was hopeful that things would look better by the end of the year and I could get the new car taxes onto my 2020 return.
Your car sales tax is deductible? For us it's only the excise tax (which is 2.5% per year).
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They axed the Fit too and I still think it's the best gas commuter made, especially in manual transmission. If I had extra money sitting that I could use for this, I'd buy one myself. It's the ultimate commuter, grocery getter, drive to the gym, basically just your "necessary" driving.
Is it better than a Civic hatch though? My Civic hatch 6MT gets 42 mpg highway and is sub 7 sec 0-60. Think it's a lot bigger car than the Fit of course.

The Civic hatchback has far exceeded Honda's expections (24% of sales now), I think that's why they're killing the Fit and the coupe.
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Is it better than a Civic hatch though? My Civic hatch 6MT gets 42 mpg highway and is sub 7 sec 0-60. Think it's a lot bigger car than the Fit of course.

The Civic hatchback has far exceeded Honda's expections (24% of sales now), I think that's why they're killing the Fit and the coupe.
The hatch is awesome. The sport hatch is the best looking 10th gen civic.
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Your car sales tax is deductible? For us it's only the excise tax (which is 2.5% per year).
Yes, if you itemize.
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Old 07-22-2020, 12:19 PM   #21
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Re: Fit vs. Civic, according to Google, the Fit has 52.7 cubic feet and the Civic hatch has 46.2 cubic feet of cargo room, both with their respective rear seats folded down.

I haven't seen either up close to compare the width of the cargo area, of which I'd imagine the Civic has more of. But the Fit is truly in a class of its own when you compare cargo area vs. overall car size. What they did with the packaging in that car is amazing.

I have no doubt the Civic (in any trim) is more fun to drive, though. Personally I wish we saw a higher-output Fit, but I guess that's what the aftermarket is for. They are cheap enough on the used market and sticking a turbo on that thing sounds fun
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The weird part about the Fit vs Civic is that the Civic hatch has better MPG vs the Fit.. The best I could do was like 42mpg on the Fit..but for most combined driving it could only net like 35-38mpg, where as my buddy's kids were doing like 40mpg+ consistently.

Again, not that I cared but just though that was odd. Current Civic has a nicer driving position too.
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