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03-17-2004, 04:46 PM | #1 |
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Axxis pads? -- or anything else better for the money?
They are inexpensive and alot of online vendors stock them.
I don't want to spend much over $100 for front and rear pads. I'm just wondering if anyone have some advice or input on these pads or a better set to get.
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03-17-2004, 05:47 PM | #2 |
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Simply, they are better at initial bite than OEM pads. Fading is little better or less shall I say.
While I do/have not raced my RS, there is a major improvement over stock. There are a ton of threads with every kind of opinion good,bad, average about these pads. They'll dust more, but from my experience they'll grab way better than the OEM. |
03-17-2004, 06:00 PM | #3 |
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Axxis ultimates will dust more, Axxis metal masters hardly dust.
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03-17-2004, 06:02 PM | #4 |
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I don't care too much about dust, my wheels are easy to clean.
I'm looking for good initial bite, and something that won't fade any worse that the stock pad. |
03-17-2004, 09:01 PM | #5 |
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Hawk HPS kicks butt, but no rears are offered - no real bother anyway, rea pads barely ever wear on street driving
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03-17-2004, 09:34 PM | #6 |
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Ultimates rock. I've got them on the WRX and the Protege5. It was a HUGE improvement over stock on both cars. Whatever pad you get, MAKE SURE YOU BREAK (SEAT) THEM IN PROPERLY!
I've put over 30k on the Ultimates and they're still going strong. |
03-17-2004, 09:44 PM | #7 | |
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As mentioned, they do dust like a mofo, though. They can also make some noise as they get past the halfway point in terms of wear...but not intolerable at all. Long story short, the Axxis Ultimates are a fine replacement for street pads. Just don't try and take them to the track. They suck for that purpose. Scott |
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03-17-2004, 11:05 PM | #8 |
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I just went to Hawk HP Plus... I love them. I have used Axxis Metal Masters, Wilwood E and D compound and Porterfield R4S... The Hawks win, hands down (for my particular application).
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03-18-2004, 12:34 AM | #9 |
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So are Axxis ultimates worse than stock at the track?
I do plan on doing some track days. |
03-18-2004, 07:06 AM | #10 | |
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They fade less than the stock pads do while at the track, but they still fade badly after 2-3 laps of a typical track. Are you a track rookie or do you plan on running street tires instead of R compounds? If so, you might get away with the Ultimates for your first track day. After that, plan on throwing them away since they will be crumbled to death. My advice is to swap pads before going to the track. There are lots of pads out there; I like Carbotech products and use Panther XP at the track. Total time to swap pads for the front stock WRX brakes = 20 minutes. If you use street pads like the Ultimates on track, you will be sorry. Scott |
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03-18-2004, 12:44 PM | #11 | |
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Having said all the good stuff - I'll be buying a set of some kind of race pads for next time, because I plan to push a little harder - and I'll be back at South Course. Don't think the Ultimates are going to keep up with me anymore. Also - the dusting is unfreakingbelievable. If you want to see stock vs. Ultimate after one week, I can post a pic when I get home. If you don't have dark wheels and you like to keep them clean, you'll be cleaning them every 3 days. Regardless of how hard you brake. Seriously. I'm using Carbotech Bobcats on the other RS now, and they feel really good - and they're not supposed to dust nearly as bad. I just installed them, so I don't have any personal experience with that yet. Good luck, Kevin Last edited by Fred; 03-18-2004 at 12:50 PM. |
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03-18-2004, 01:14 PM | #12 | |
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What I should have clarified is that 'you will be sorry if you try to use Ultimates once you have graduated to R compounds and/or advanced run groups'. Sorry for any confusion. They do definitely dust like crazy. Go ahead and post the pics -- Sotti should know what he is getting into. I can also confirm that Bobcats barely dust AT ALL. They dust, but it's like an 'invisible' dust. Weird... |
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03-18-2004, 01:27 PM | #13 |
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I hope they're as good as everybody says they are. I've been using the Ultimates for a couple years for autox & street (because they were so cheap, and I didn't care about the dust). I just put the Bobcats on the new street-only car. I had Ultimates on the front for a week, while I was waiting for the Bobcats to arrive (the pads that were on it were the original, glazed, almost-worn-to-the-backing-plate 90k mile stock pads ). The difference is pretty obvious, as you'll see.
edit - actually, I used Porterfield R4S for a while too before getting the Ultimates - had forgotten about those. They were about the same with the dust, but it was reddish instead of dark grey. |
03-18-2004, 01:55 PM | #14 |
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Anybody used the EBC redstuff?
And are carbotech bobcatt's good enough for trackdays? |
03-18-2004, 02:06 PM | #15 |
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at anything EBC -- they suck, period. Search here and you'll see.
Carbotech Bobcat is kind of an upgrade (a big upgrade) over Ultimates as a street pad. It is not intended for use as a track pad, although some have tried and succeeded. Personally, I'd get a real set of track pads and use those...Panther XP comes to mind. Trying to do crossover items between street and track is a real compromise. I'm in a position to know. Some things can be gotten away with, like using Konis and lowering springs instead of full-on coilovers to save some cash. Honestly, brake pads are not one of those areas I will ever bother to try and cross over in the future. I did the exact same thing you are doing and it is less expensive and safer in the long run to just buy what you need. In your case, I'd keep the stockers on for the street, and just purchase a set of race pads like Panther XP for track days. It's an easy swap -- 20 minutes. My 2 cents... |
03-18-2004, 02:28 PM | #16 |
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any comments about the hawk HP Plus sdecker?
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03-18-2004, 02:37 PM | #17 |
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Nope, haven't used them...sorry. Lots of others have, though. My general impression is that they are good, but it's not first hand info like the Ulimates and Bobcats.
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03-18-2004, 02:40 PM | #18 |
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sotti...ya can't have your cake and eat it too....you want cheap pads...you want to track the car.......
Here's what I'd do....I'd get Ferodo 2500's for $$$ and they should handle both duties for a while....OR... Get a good rear pad like the Bobcats and buy a couple sets of fronts...track and street..and swap them... |
03-18-2004, 03:46 PM | #19 |
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Where do you get Ferodo's and how much do they cost?
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03-18-2004, 04:15 PM | #20 |
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See: http://www.raceshopper.com/ferodo_brake_pads.shtml
No idea on cost, but expect ~$300 for the whole thing...front and rear pads. |
03-18-2004, 09:36 PM | #21 |
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Here are the comparison pics as promised:
this is after one week of normal driving (a few hundred miles). |
03-18-2004, 10:24 PM | #22 |
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I'm betting the Ultimates are the top pic.
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03-19-2004, 10:49 AM | #23 |
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nawwwww....
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03-19-2004, 01:32 PM | #24 |
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The Ultimates were on the front of the car, while the stock pads were on the rear, just so you know. But there's really not much difference in dusting front & rear with stock pads, either. So I'd say it's a pretty accurate comparison.
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03-20-2004, 10:44 AM | #25 | |
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