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Old 09-09-2022, 06:10 PM   #7676
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Elantra Ns winning all the comps is purely because Hyundai is lining MTís pockets

WRX is a better car than the Elantra. GTI , besides the infotainment issue which the base trim fixes for many , is the winner IMO.

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Old 09-09-2022, 06:19 PM   #7677
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I bet the civic SI had better control over their volume and temperature settings though.
Thatís two in row for you

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We also aren't fans of Subaru's tablet-sized infotainment setup. It's not quite as bad as Volkswagen's system (at least this one has a couple knobs and buttons), but the screen is laggy and difficult to use while driving, and it looks dated, too.
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Old 09-09-2022, 06:46 PM   #7678
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Motortrend out here acting like the Plan-demic didn't affect Shipping dates, Gov't Contracts, Parts allocation, chip allocation, Overall profit margins, Amount of time spent in Engineering/design departments, etc lmao
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Old 09-09-2022, 07:06 PM   #7679
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"Sub-$35K Sporty Car Comparo: 2022 Subaru WRX vs. Honda Civic Si, Hyundai Elantra N, VW Golf GTI, Toyota GR86"

Oh noes.
Nice, WRX was quickest in the quarter. It is brakes and tires away from being a very nice track package. Yikes at the GTI...Ouch. VW dropped the ball with the MK8. The interior is a disaster, DSG auto upshifts at 6K no matter what and the 6 speed has the longest gearing on the planet, where is the fun in that ? Also, that clutch is made out of glass. Hopefully they can salvage it with a facelift. Such an ugly car too in comparison to the MK7 or anything in this class. Also, shame that Honda neutered the Si for the sake of the Integra. It would have been such a great car if it wasn't a total dog. GR86 and the N are great.

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Old 09-09-2022, 07:55 PM   #7680
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the wrx on summer performance tires with awd just beat the gti on all season grand touring tires by .1 sec 0-60.












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Old 09-09-2022, 08:03 PM   #7681
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the wrx on summer performance tires with awd just beat the gti on all season grand touring tires by .1 sec 0-60.













Why is that GTI so damn slow ? The N wiped the floor with it. 3,082 lbs and 96.5 mph trap speed ? Yikes....That is just beyond sad, all season tires and all. As to your 0-60 question, the WRX needs to shift to 3rd as the GTI does not, the 2nd gear is so long you will fall asleep driving it.
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Old 09-09-2022, 09:04 PM   #7682
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Why is that GTI so damn slow ? The N wiped the floor with it. 3,082 lbs and 96.5 mph trap speed ? Yikes....That is just beyond sad, all season tires and all. As to your 0-60 question, the WRX needs to shift to 3rd as the GTI does not, the 2nd gear is so long you will fall asleep driving it.
the gti was probably spinning the tires half way down the track. what's the wrx's excuse?
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Old 09-09-2022, 09:06 PM   #7683
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the gti was probably spinning the tires half way down the track. what's the wrx's excuse?
The WRX is not fail wheel drive so it wouldn't be spinning its tires down the track, even if they happened to be all seasons.

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Old 09-10-2022, 09:51 AM   #7684
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The WRX is not fail wheel drive so it wouldn't be spinning its tires down the track, even if they happened to be all seasons.
why is it so slow?
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Old 09-10-2022, 10:26 AM   #7685
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why is it so slow?
It isn't. It was the quickest in the quarter mile out of all of the cars in the comparison. It tied the N @ figure eight and was only a tick behind the GR86 there.
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Old 09-11-2022, 04:21 AM   #7686
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The WRX is not fail wheel drive so it wouldn't be spinning its tires down the track, even if they happened to be all seasons.
They even said the GTI they had was equipped with trash tires. The GTI will destroy the WRX anywhere but 0-60 on any tires you choose. Same tires and the GTI is faster

You talk **** about VW but you own a Mk7 GLI.

How many Subarus have you owned again? Coward you are you wonít give me the answer cause itís ZERO

ZERO Subarus owned. Iíve owned 5 STIS ALONE and Iím telling you the new Wrx isnít faster than the GTI.

How about you go buy the new WRXÖ.oh wait ***129313; busy on forums and no money to spend on cars
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Old 09-11-2022, 02:53 PM   #7687
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Instead of resorting to personal attacks you should have done a quick forum search and you would know I had a VA WRX for about 5 years. And no stock for stock the GTI would not destroy the WRX. The WRX is still quicker. Stop spreading misinformation. Have you even driven a VA WRX ? The only thing that GTI will destroy is its clutch and front tires with a splash of wheel hop on top.
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Old 09-11-2022, 04:34 PM   #7688
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As a current owner of MK8 gti (manual), I can attest that it pulls harder in gears 2, 3, and up compared to my 2019 STI. And it does this on 87 octane.
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Old 09-11-2022, 06:27 PM   #7689
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I'm guessing Straight6 had a bad experience with a VW vehicle; maybe he experienced some serious engine failure of some sort.
That doesn't change the fact that the EA888.3 and EA888.4 are strong long stroke engines with very good stock engine management.
They just run flawlessly on pump gas.
We can fault VW for a lot of different things, but these late EA888 engines are very hard to argue against.

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Old 09-12-2022, 10:12 AM   #7690
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Elantra Ns winning all the comps is purely because Hyundai is lining MT's pockets
LOL yes that's it. Could you imagine getting your dream job of testing cars for a magazine only to be told you opinion doesn't matter that you have to vote for Car X by the bosses? You really think people like Jason Cammisa, Tony Quiroga, Jonny Lieberman, etc have no spine and would lie about their reviews? How many people have come and gone from auto mags yet there's never been a whistleblower. Why? Because it doesn't happen. Take off your tinfoil hat and accept that the group of people testing the cars actually preferred a vehicle over the one that you are fanatical of.
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Old 09-12-2022, 10:32 AM   #7691
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Options of the editors absolutely can sway the initial assessment and ranking. This is car journalism we're talking about, hardly important stuff.

This is a relevant point of discussion because auto journalists in the past have been paid by manufactures through direct and indirect means.

In this case @motortrend, who knows. Of the remaining magazine based outlets, I have the least amount of trust in them. They regularly post sponsored articles intermixed with the rest of their content. As they transitioned from traditional print journalism to digital media, I think naturally they have moved away from the journalist norms.

In this case though, the Hyundai vehicle could very well win on it's merits. That being said, car reviews rarely do a great job of accounting for the total ownership experience (dealership exp, reliability, long term enjoyment, etc).
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I have yet to see a negative review of the Elantra N or the i30N...Numbers also back up the opinions. I guess Hyundai is going to go bankrupt soon paying off all of these reviewers . Or maybe they are just great cars because they carry some of that ///M DNA.
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why is it so slow?
Probs because you have a turbo 4 banger sending power to All four Wheels constantly unlike something like a Audi or Tacoma where power is predominantly only to 2 wheels until traction is needed on all four. I imagine the WRX to be faster than the GTI as well as others if it was only 2WD. Volvo and Subaru (Not so much Volvo anymore), only brand(s) to have dedicated all wheel drive all the time, and not a "Slip then Grip" system like the latter.

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Old 09-12-2022, 12:32 PM   #7694
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Probs because you have a turbo 4 banger sending power to All four Wheels constantly unlike something like a Audi or Tacoma where power is predominantly only to 2 wheels until traction is needed on all four. I imagine the WRX to be faster than the GTI as well as others if it was only 2WD.
It's slower than previous gen WRXs. That's the problem. Not how quick it is compared to FWD econoboxes.
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Old 09-12-2022, 12:37 PM   #7695
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new WRXtrek is quick enough for a mundane forgettable lifted sedan made to go pick up kids and get groceries in the snowbelt. It is built for a task and driving fun is not one of the top priorities anymore. It is not a fun screaming teenager it once was, now its a boring adult in its mid 40's that just wants to take it easy and rock his dad bod
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I have yet to see a negative review of the Elantra N or the i30N...Numbers also back up the opinions. I guess Hyundai is going to go bankrupt soon paying off all of these reviewers . Or maybe they are just great cars because they carry some of that ///M DNA.
The N Brand of Hyundai is vastly on the rise to take center for this segment's performance leader. The Belgian designer Luc Donckerwolke, Chief Creative Officer at Hyundai (Used to work for Bugatti, Lamborghini and others), is pretty adamant about this mission as far as what he's already done for Genesis and what will be done for N Performance.
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It's slower than previous gen WRXs. That's the problem. Not how quick it is compared to FWD econoboxes.
It pulls ahead of a VA, so the VA is actually the slowest now.
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Old 09-12-2022, 12:41 PM   #7698
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new WRXtrek is quick enough for a mundane forgettable lifted sedan made to go pick up kids and get groceries in the snowbelt. It is built for a task and driving fun is not one of the top priorities anymore. It is not a fun screaming teenager it once was, now its a boring adult in its mid 40's that just wants to take it easy and rock his dad bod
I can literally say the same thing about the GTI and Civic SI (But I agree). Most people are Pavement dwellers. I live in Snow Country right outside Yosemite, lots of dirt roads / gravel, pot holes from the tree clearing vehicles on the Govt managed Forest trails. Car is perfect for me. Maybe not so perfect for those that drive on a freeway to and from work.
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it's hardly a conspiracy to suggest that any publication favors companies that advertise through that publication.

if you're doing factual numbers presentation, then sure, the numbers probably don't lie, but as soon as the article goes into the territory of 'feels' that's when there is no objectivity and it's all subjectivity, and subjectivity provides very grey areas that can go anywhere.

that article is 100% subjective, no objectivity, so yes, the writer is going to either consciously, or subconsciously go in the favor of the advertising dollars.

I mean, read the cons for the GR86. 'automatic needs to be sportier' like, that's a con? come on now. let's be real here.

no conspiracy, just industry.
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