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Old 09-14-2018, 08:52 AM   #1
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2019 Hyundai Veloster Turbo R-Spec essentials: Legitimately fun

What is it: With the impending arrival of the Hyundai Veloster N, the Veloster Turbo R-Spec will sit just about where the GTI and Si sit in the respective Volkswagen Golf and Civiclineups -- a fun, practical and mercifully affordable vehicle with enough performance to spice up the daily drive.

Key Competitors: Ford Focus ST, Volkswagen GTI, Honda Civic Si

Base Price: $23,785 As-Tested Price: $23,785

Highlights: 201 horsepower from a 1.6-liter turbo four doesn't seem like much on paper these days, but combined with a crisp six-speed itís enough to make the Veloster Turbo R-Spec legitimately fun. Now in its second generation, the Veloster finally seems to have the chassis to back up its hot hatch looks.

Our Opinion: Something wasn't quite right with this Veloster Turbo R-Spec at the start of my stint with the test car -- the six-speed manual's reverse lockout was non-functional, meaning that attempting to throw the car into first often resulted in a trip to reverse at best or the nasty grinding of gears at worst. At this point I don't think it came this way from the factory. More likely, in my opinion, is that it was screwed up when someone was detailing the interior. I tell you this for two reasons:

First, there's a chance the transmission wasn't in 100 percent optimal shape when I drove it due to some abuse and gear-grinding that happened before the lockout was fixed -- though after it had a chance to cool down and calm down, it seemed to be functioning perfectly. This is without a doubt the best manual I've sampled in a Hyundai. The gears are fun to row through, and the clutch isn't feather-light and devoid of feel.

Second, it made me furious until I figured out how to fix it. Is this how it left the factory? Surely it wasn't designed this way. Could Hyundai really screw the pooch this badly?

Had the rest of the car been crap, I wouldn't have cared, but even with the temporarily compromised gearbox, I could feel that there was something to this thing -- of real promise for a fun-to-drive economy car from a brand that claims it's getting serious about driving enjoyment.

The truth was, I wanted to like this thing, damn it, and I would have been genuinely bummed if it had an Achilles' heel this obvious. Fortunately, after removing and reinstalling the shifter knob, everything fell into place (not sure why this worked, but it did). Order was restored to the universe, and lockout restored to reverse.

2019 Hyundai Veloster R-Spec
And with everything working as designed, I can tell you that the Veloster Turbo R-Spec really is a pleasant surprise. This is exactly the kind of car we need more of. No, it's not a hardcore enthusiast hatchback; that'd be the new Veloster N. It's a gateway drug to fun driving: A straightforward, functional and affordable hatch that you want to push a little harder, drive a little faster. Meanwhile, you're returning around 30 mpg, and there's not really enough power to get you into too much trouble.

The previous Veloster banked on its sheer oddball-ness to move units; it was definitely a unique car, but even in performance trim, seemed to be lacking that buttoned-up feel that the Focus ST, Civic Si and Golf GTI had down cold. I'm not sure if the new Veloster's chassis is quite at GTI level, and I'd want to do a back-to-back comparison to be sure. But I think I can say for sure that I like Hyundai better than the Honda this time around.

From behind the wheel, at least. The curious door configuration -- one on the driver's side, two on the passenger -- severely compromises passenger-side rear visibility for the sake of...being different, I guess, while the cleaner (read: more boring) exterior design of the new Veloster feels like an unfortunate concession to conventionality.




Still, well done, Hyundai. The R-Spec was a lot more fun that I was expecting. It's a big improvement over its predecessor, and a nice, easy-to-enjoy addition to what is shaping up to be a very fun lineup. If you want to add a bit more enjoyment to your commute without going full-on boy racer, give this one a look.

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Base Price: $23,785

Powertrain: 1.6-liter turbocharged I4, six-speed manual, FWD

Output: 201 hp @ 6,000 rpm, 195 lb-ft @ 1,500-4,500 rpm

Fuel Economy: 26/33/29 mpg(EPA City/Hwy/Combined)

Pros: A big improvement over the previous generation; the Turbo R-Spec provides a high fun factor without compromising affordability or comfort

Cons: More conventional- -- and boring- -- - looking than the predecessor, with terrible blind spots
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:42 PM   #2
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Ugh, why not the Turbo RR-Spec. Adding that additional R would give it 10 more HP. Btw, what’s up with that wort on the left side of the dash?
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Interior looks cheap and it's rather expensive for what it is.
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It has a lower MSRP than the competitors listed.

Unless that's a "It's a Hyundai" comment.
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Interior looks cheap and it's rather expensive for what it is.
All of the above mentioned vehicles have cheap interior and are rather expensive for what they are; welcome to modern cars.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:04 PM   #6
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It has a lower MSRP than the competitors listed.

Unless that's a "It's a Hyundai" comment.
The competitors listed are much better cars and can usually be found cheaper. Focus ST is much faster and can be found below $20k all day long. GTIs can be found for less than $23k if you know when and where to look. They also don't have an interior designed by Fisher Price. That's also not too far away from the WRX base price. The Si is in that price neighborhood too.

I'm not sure why you'd pay similarish money for that crapbox when you could find something better performing.
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They only need to be at the table with this. Which they are. The rest will play itself out as far as sales and reliability and residuals. It’s a shame Subaru doesn’t play at this price point with a nimble 200hp hatchback. Subaru wanted so badly to separate the WRX from the Impreza yet can’t make a proper Impreza Sport to compete with this crowd.
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The competitors listed are much better cars and can usually be found cheaper. Focus ST is much faster and can be found below $20k all day long. GTIs can be found for less than $23k if you know when and where to look. They also don't have an interior designed by Fisher Price. That's also not too far away from the WRX base price. The Si is in that price neighborhood too.

I'm not sure why you'd pay similarish money for that crapbox when you could find something better performing.
MSRP is MSRP. You wonít know the sale price until itís here and on the market for a while.
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A front-drive hatchback versus a rear-drive sports car? Weíre not crazy.

On the surface, these two cars might not appear to have anything in common, but if youíre anything like me ó driving enthusiast who definitely doesnít make a ton of money and doesnít have kids but occasionally needs rear seats Ė you might have considered cross-shopping them.

In a constant battle between fun and practicality, driving enthusiasts canít always have both at this end of the price spectrum, but the Hyundai Veloster Turbo and Subaru BRZ are two options that have a bit of both. On the fun versus practicality slider, both cars have some distance between them but surprisingly arenít situated on the poles, occupying a sweet spot just outside the middle zone.

Driving Dynamics

If driving purity is your one and only concern, the answer to this comparison is obvious. The focus and engagement offered by the rear-drive, six-speed manual Subaru BRZ is unrivaled at this price point. The sports coupe is balanced, communicative, makes you work by winding out the engine, and the responsiveness of all the controls is the stuff that makes us all feel like heroes on the road.

ALSO SEE: 2018 Subaru BRZ tS vs Ford Mustang Convertible EcoBoost

Contrary to what youíve heard, the BRZ does not need more power. Itís light and makes good use of the 2.0L naturally aspirated boxerís 205 hp and 156 lb-ft of torque (a bit more than a BRZ with an automatic transmission, which gets 200 hp and 151 lb-ft). Thereís still a torque drop youíll notice in the mid-range if youíre trying to pass someone, but itís not a dealbreaker for me. Even so, there are aftermarket solutions that could help alleviate that issue if you think itís worth it and donít care about possibly voiding your warranty.

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But if you enjoy driving, the new Hyundai Veloster Turbo doesnít disappoint. No, it wonít be as focused or as sharp as the BRZ, but if youíre willing to sacrifice a bit of that engagement and driving dynamics and get some increased practicality in return, the Veloster Turbo or R-Spec is pretty solid. With a 1.6L turbo four-cylinder sending 201 hp and 195 lb-ft of torque to the front wheels, the Veloster Turbo drives dramatically better than the one it replaces and is far less sloppy than it used to be. You can really feel the extra torque the Veloster Turbo offers over the BRZ and the Hyundai doesnít need to be wound out like the Subaru, so the power feels more easily accessible. The weight difference the two feels noticeable, however, which affects how agile the cars feel. The Veloster Turbo weighs in at about 2,900 lbs (1,315 kg), while the BRZ is about 2,790 lbs (1,265 kg).

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Velosters get a new suspension along with torque vectoring in the front axles, but other goodies in the Turbo model include sport-tuned steering tuning. Turbo R-Spec models also come with a sport shifter, and itís manual only. The Veloster Turbo or Turbo Ultimate is available with a seven-speed dual clutch automatic. When compared to the BRZ, the manual transmission in the Veloster definitely feels feather light, but it still quite forgiving, though not as engaging or satisfying to use as the BRZís.

ALSO SEE: 2019 Hyundai Veloster N Review

Because of its driving dynamics, the BRZ has more personality and is more playful. The Veloster isnít going to make you forget that itís front-wheel drive, but that doesnít mean itís not fun.

In terms of fuel economy, the Veloster Turbo is rated at 28 mpg in the city, 34 highway and 30 combined (8.3 L/100 km combined). The BRZ is rated at 21 city, 29 highway and 25 combined (9.7 L/100 km combined), so if fuel economy is a big priority for you, the Veloster Turbo gets you more mpgs.

Practicality

One thing that makes the Veloster slightly more practical is the trunk. Being a hatchback, the Veloster is inherently more practical with a wider trunk opening and 19.9 cubic-feet (565 L) of space in the back and 44.5 cu-ft (1,260 L) with the seats down.

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The BRZ has just 6.9 cu-ft (195 L) in the trunk but the rear seats can also be folded down to carry larger or longer items as well.

If youíre buying for a real back seat and if you need to fit adults back there for longer trips, neither of these cars will work well for you because the rear seats are very small and theyíre both classified as 2+2s. Although the Veloster makes getting in and out a bit easier because of an extra door, people going back there can count on hitting their heads and looking generally ungraceful getting in and out.

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Features and Tech

The BRZ has aged a bit and it shows in the features and technology department. The interior is also quite basic, but it all goes back to the BRZís ethos of no-frills fun. The infotainment system still feels aftermarket and 10 years old and there are pretty much no driver assistance features weíre used to seeing now at this price point. The materials are far from luxurious. Itís worth noting, however, that the BRZís simplicity and lack of tech means that it consistently ranks as one of the most reliable and problem-free cars out there.

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The Veloster, on the other hand, feels more expensive than it is with a fit and finish, a long list of tech, and materials that makes it more modern than the Subaru. Standard features include forward collision avoidance warning, lane keep assist, driver attention warning, and Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are standard while pedestrian detection, blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, a head-up display, leather seats, LED exterior lighting, high beam assist, wireless charging, and adaptive cruise control are available.

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The BRZ pretty much comes with none of this, though it does have Apple CarPlay and Android Auto available.

ALSO SEE: 2019 Hyundai Veloster Review

Pricing

The Veloster Turbo R-Spec starts at $22,285, the regular Turbo is $24,795 and the Turbo Ultimate goes for $26,035 in the U.S. including the destination fees. The BRZ starts at $26,680 including destination fees for the Premium base model and $29,580 for the Limited model.

In Canada, the Veloster Turbo starts at $27,604 including destination fees, while the BRZ starts at $29,645 including destination.

The Verdict: 2019 Hyundai Veloster Turbo vs Subaru BRZ

In the end, the car you prefer will come down to what your priorities are. If you prioritize driving dynamics over everything else, the BRZ is an excellent choice. Reliable and undeniably fun at any speed, itís a special car that gives me warm and fuzzies. And itís not even that hard to live with as a daily driver.

I personally lean more towards the Veloster because I think it offers better value for the money. With more features and more practicality, itís a car that doesnít have a singular focus and ends up being more things to more people.
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They only need to be at the table with this. Which they are. The rest will play itself out as far as sales and reliability and residuals. Itís a shame Subaru doesnít play at this price point with a nimble 200hp hatchback. Subaru wanted so badly to separate the WRX from the Impreza yet canít make a proper Impreza Sport to compete with this crowd.
That's because the only way to make an Impreza good is to turn it into a WRX.
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I don't see the point of comparing a Veloster to a BRZ. You buy a BRZ because it's RWD.

Otherwise you learn to tolerate a FWD sporty car because that is the only choice offered in one's price range.
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I don't see the point of comparing a Veloster to a BRZ. You buy a BRZ because it's RWD.

Otherwise you learn to tolerate a FWD sporty car because that is the only choice offered in one's price range.
Gti throws down faster lap times than a wrx and cost less with more refinement.
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Yet it wheelspins in real world especially in the wet all the time. I know cause I owned a MK7 GTI Autobahn before trading it in for the 19 WRX Limited last year. Haven’t missed it once.
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Yet it wheelspins in real world especially in the wet all the time. I know cause I owned a MK7 GTI Autobahn before trading it in for the 19 WRX Limited last year. Havenít missed it once.
Did you have the Performance Package? If so, did you recode the diff?
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Yet it wheelspins in real world especially in the wet all the time. I know cause I owned a MK7 GTI Autobahn before trading it in for the 19 WRX Limited last year. Havenít missed it once.
Never had a problem with mine. If youíre punching it in the rain in 1at gear while itís wet, youíre kind of an idiot. Oh yeah, I also drove my through the snow and never had a single problem. Itís amazing what happens when you drive like a normal person on the street and have appropriate tires.
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Did you have the Performance Package? If so, did you recode the diff?
Yeah, the MK7 GTI Autobahn comes standard with performance package and I ran sticker tires than stock which helped. I did not mess with the electronic diff program as the car did well once it was in motion.

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Never had a problem with mine. If youíre punching it in the rain in 1at gear while itís wet, youíre kind of an idiot. Oh yeah, I also drove my through the snow and never had a single problem. Itís amazing what happens when you drive like a normal person on the street and have appropriate tires.
I see this often where some folks say the driver is the idiot and car is not the problem. Well my MK7 Golf-R has no such problem and I am not an idiot so it must be the car and generous people like you willing to compensate for the car's short comings. I wasn't pushing the GTI all that hard in those conditions. When you accelerate from a stop while turning especially in the wet or cold, 2WD just has its limits and I hated that for daily street driving. At least on a RWD (BRZ) you can have fun with it, FWD is awful when it slips or nanny takes over.

Anyway I've already said enough and neither cars on this thread have AWD.. it just sounded funny to me one would compare a Veloster to a BRZ, that's all. Comparing it to a Civic-SI coupe would be more appropriate.

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Yeah, the MK7 GTI Autobahn comes standard with performance package and I ran sticker tires than stock which helped. I did not mess with the electronic diff program as the car did well once it was in motion.



I see this often where some folks say the driver is the idiot and car is not the problem. Well my MK7 Golf-R has no such problem and I am not an idiot so it must be the car and generous people like you willing to compensate for the car's short comings. I wasn't pushing the GTI all that hard in those conditions. When you accelerate from a stop while turning especially in the wet or cold, 2WD just has its limits and I hated that for daily street driving. At least on a RWD (BRZ) you can have fun with it, FWD is awful when it slips or nanny takes over.

Anyway I've already said enough and neither cars on this thread have AWD.. it just sounded funny to me one would compare a Veloster to a BRZ, that's all. Comparing it to a Civic-SI coupe would be more appropriate.

GL with your buying decisions.
First bold: You have no problem because the Golf R is AWD. We're discussing the GTI. You're switching one vehicle to the other and trying to make the same comparison, it doesnt work. Not sure what to tell you, drove my GTI through snow in Utah and tons of rain in Washington and only spun tires when applying more throttle than I should have.

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That's because the only way to make an Impreza good is to turn it into a WRX.
After having modded two Forester XTs back in the day, Iím all for putting a detuned tiny turbo engine into a vehicle that fails miserably to deal with it. A low boost 210hp FA20DIT from the dead Forester XT in an otherwise untouched Impreza Sport 5 door would hit all the right spots for a ton of people shopping this segment. I mean how awful was the bugeye when it first came out? It could go like stink but would fail miserably in driving dynamics like terminal understeer and braking. The new SG platform is better than the current WRX anyway.
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Yet it wheelspins in real world especially in the wet all the time. I know cause I owned a MK7 GTI Autobahn before trading it in for the 19 WRX Limited last year. Havenít missed it once.
Fully agree with you. Also, dusty, leafy, gravelly pavement. My MK7 GTI annoyed me constantly.
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First bold: You have no problem because the Golf R is AWD. We're discussing the GTI. You're switching one vehicle to the other and trying to make the same comparison, it doesnt work. Not sure what to tell you, drove my GTI through snow in Utah and tons of rain in Washington and only spun tires when applying more throttle than I should have.

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Totally subjective. Yes, a person should be able to get by with fwd. But this is a car that targets a demographic who wants to occasionally push the gas pedal and dare I say, accelerate in a spirited nature! *gasp* When you do that, fwd likes to spin tires in anything but perfect conditions. Heck, 190 hp MCS loved to spin tires, and I had the optional mechanical diff and really sticky tires. I spin the front tires on my Golf R often. Mostly happens when accelerating from a stop during a right/left turn in the wet. It still goes because the rear is working during those moments, but if I lacked the borg-warner rear diff, I'd spin wheels all day. Could I accelerate slower? Sure. But sometimes (merging onto a busy, high speed road), you want to use the power you paid for instead of waiting for a break in traffic or pulling into traffic while traveling too slow...

This Veloster certainly hits a niche, and I'm happier to see another tarted up fwd econo-hatchback than another sedan.
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Not in 2015 & 2016.

PP became standard on SE, Autobahn and 'Sport' models in 2017 and is standard for all the MK7.5s.
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Not in 2015 & 2016.

PP became standard on SE, Autobahn and 'Sport' models in 2017 and is standard for all the MK7.5s.
((Rabbit Edition has a newly standard electronically controlled mechanical limited-slip differential, (both the brakes and limited-slip differential were previously limited to the higher-end GTI SE and Autobahn trims),))

The German hot hatch adds a special Rabbit Edition, eight extra horses, and a seven-speed DSG transmission for the new model year.

In the never-ending quest to continually improve the Golf GTI, Volkswagen is blessing its hot hatch with a limited-run Rabbit Edition model, more power, and a new dual-clutch automatic transmission for 2019.

Armed with trim-specific 18-inch black wheels, black mirror caps, a black spoiler, red-stitched floor mats, and requisite rabbit badges on the seats and tailgate, the $28,895 Rabbit Edition is primarily an appearance package. Still, the extra $1,300 that Volkswagen charges for the model over the entry-level GTI S also nets buyers safety and convenience kit such as a forward-collision warning system with low-speed automatic front braking, and a blind-spot monitoring system with rear-cross-traffic alert (items available on the base GTI as part of a $450 option), as well as a proximity key with push-button start and adaptive LED headlights from the $31,795 GTI SE.

The Rabbit Edition, however, is only the tip of the 2019 GTI iceberg, which now includes an extra eight horses in its turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engineís stable. With 228 horsepower, the GTI now packs as much punch as the Mini John Cooper Works models.

Making the most of the GTIís newfound ponies is an available seven-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission. (Donít worry, a six-speed manual still comes standard.) The $1,100 gearbox replaces last yearís six-speed unit, and its noticeably shorter gearing Ė at least in the lowers gears Ė helps the hatchback authoritatively pull past the apexes in the tight and twisting tarmac that snakes through Southern Californiaís Topanga Canyon, where weíre testing the updated Golf.

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Whether holding gears in tight turns or swapping cogs with the speed and imperceptibility of a stealth bomber, the dual-clutch transmission is a masterful companion to the lag-free turbo four. Although the gearbox is perfectly adept when left to its own devices, itís especially fun to control gear changes manually by way of the console-mounted shift lever or steering-wheel-mounted paddles.

Although the gearbox is perfectly adept when left to its own devices, itís especially fun to control gear changes manually.

The GTIís secret sauce, though, remains its sturdy chassis and communicative controls. Stiff and playful, the Volkswagen Groupís modular MQB platform continues to simultaneously endow the GTI with a luxury-car-like stoicism at highway speeds and predictable lateral dynamics during more enthusiastic drives. Body roll is minimal, and the GTI maintains a general neutrality in turns that eventually gives way to understeer at the utmost limit.

Thanks to its uncannily communicative electric-assist rack-and-pinion steering, the GTI constantly broadcasts the status of the tiresí grip with the road to the driverís fingertips. In conjunction with a stiff brake pedal that puts the squeeze on a set of newly standard 13.4-inch front- and 12.2-inch rear-vented discs cribbed from the Golf R, as well as a newly standard electronically controlled mechanical limited-slip differential, (both the brakes and limited-slip differential were previously limited to the higher-end GTI SE and Autobahn trims), the GTI instills its driver with exceptional confidence when driven aggressively.

As in GTIís past, the 2019 model combines engaging driving dynamics with plenty of versatility. To wit, the compact hatch holds up to 52.7 cubic feet with its rear seats folded, or just 2.0 cubic feet less than the Jeep Cherokee. Passenger space is similarly accommodating with well-bolstered seats that hug the driver and front passenger, and a cushy rear-bench offers room for three.

Likewise, the GTIís cabin still boasts top-notch build quality, high-quality materials, and sound ergonomics, although the standard 6.5-inch touchscreen infotainment system seems a little underwhelming for a vehicle that starts at $27,595. A larger 8.0-inch unit comes standard in the pricier SE and Autobahn trims (the latter model also includes an in-dash navigation system), both of which also trade the standard plaid-pattern cloth of the S and Rabbit Edition models for leather trim.

The Volkswagen Golf GTI remains one of the best performance-oriented compact cars available today, and the handful of updates made to the model allow it to maintain its status as a segment leader. While some shoppers will appreciate the new Rabbit Editionís style enhancements, all 2019 GTI buyers can enjoy the modelís extra power, larger brakes, standard mechanical limited-slip differential, and available seven-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission.
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