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Old 01-18-2019, 04:25 PM   #101
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There is more BS on the internet than accurate information and there are certainly several big steaming piles of misinformation in the posts above. Iím posting this to tamp down some of the BS rumors on this board and I hope this will calm people down a bit.

The law only removed the Ďfix-ití portion of the ticket for noise violations by adding one sentence to the Vehicle Code (see VC40610.(b)(4)). Thatís it. Itís always been illegal to exceed 95 db. This law didnít change that. This law also didnít change what equipment is legal and illegal. As long as you keep it under 95 db, you can run anything you want after the last cat and last o2 sensor.

What it did change was making the fine now mandatory. If you are cited for only noise, the ref inspection will no longer help you avoid the fine. Spending $108 on a noise certificate at the ref is now a waste of time and money because (with the change in this law) the courts are no longer allowed to accept the certificate in lieu of the fine. The ref has already changed their website and more changes will be coming soon.

After 1/1/2019, law enforcement shouldnít be referring people who received a noise-only citation to the ref, but law enforcement agencies and officers are still catching up on how this law works and some still put the ref sticker on the citation. If you are cited for noise and other equipment violations (such as missing, modified, disconnected or tampered emission equipment), you will still have to see the ref (I may post more about that another day).

CARB does not test or approve exhaust systems or mufflers after the last cat and last o2 sensor.

The ref will not test your vehicle unless you have a citation. Given this new law, they may soon get out of the exhaust noise testing biz altogether.

Having a ref certificate from your last test wonít help you with your next citation because you canít prove that the car wasnít modified after the test.

The fine is not automatically $1000. Yes, I did see the youtube video of the cop stating itís a $1000 fine, and for the person who received it, thatís possible if he ran the plates and found they were a repeat offender. Honestly, that whole video looked staged to me to work as clickbait, but I canít prove it.

The fine starts at about $25, but after adding court fees (which can vary drastically depending on the citing court), it ends up being around $250. The fine can go to $1000 for repeat offenders depending upon what court jurisdiction youíre in.

The petition is a waste of time and Iíll take bets that it will make no difference. I agree with the former poster that the argument was poorly written.

You can legally modify your exhaust after the cat if it doesnít exceed 95 db. You canít legally modify your exhaust after the cat if it exceeds 95 db. Itís that simple; just ask SEMA. Yes, I know SEMA has a web page that still claims the ref can fix the fine, but that page will be changed soon as well.

Most websites incorrectly claim the noise test now used is the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) J1169. That spec is antiquated, and for at least 5 years, everyone has been using the newer SAEJ1492 that includes information for vehicles with OEM rev-limiters. Anyone can buy the test from SAEís website.

No law enforcement officer will write a ticket for 96 db, just as they wonít write you for 66 mph in a 65, because they donít work that way. Theyíre going to cite really loud exhaust. What that means is if you have a modified exhaust and are hard on the throttle, you very likely will blow way past 95 db and attract every law enforcement entity to you. Just keep it down a little and stop pissing off the wealthy voters and legislators in your district and theyíll stop making laws like this.

Everyone in this community knows which aftermarket systems are crazy loud, and which systems will get you the performance you want without pissing everyone off and making you a target for these citations.

Thereís lots more that I donít have time to address, but this was the important stuff.

I hope this helps.
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Old 01-18-2019, 05:58 PM   #102
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^This, but they are enforcing much more aggressively now than before.
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Old 01-18-2019, 06:30 PM   #103
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I love that you ask for his source on something anecdotal while providing zero sources for your own statements.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:49 AM   #104
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:22 PM   #105
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There is more BS on the internet than accurate information and there are certainly several big steaming piles of misinformation in the posts above. Iím posting this to tamp down some of the BS rumors on this board and I hope this will calm people down a bit.

The law only removed the Ďfix-ití portion of the ticket for noise violations by adding one sentence to the Vehicle Code (see VC40610.(b)(4)). Thatís it. Itís always been illegal to exceed 95 db. This law didnít change that. This law also didnít change what equipment is legal and illegal. As long as you keep it under 95 db, you can run anything you want after the last cat and last o2 sensor.

What it did change was making the fine now mandatory. If you are cited for only noise, the ref inspection will no longer help you avoid the fine. Spending $108 on a noise certificate at the ref is now a waste of time and money because (with the change in this law) the courts are no longer allowed to accept the certificate in lieu of the fine. The ref has already changed their website and more changes will be coming soon.

After 1/1/2019, law enforcement shouldnít be referring people who received a noise-only citation to the ref, but law enforcement agencies and officers are still catching up on how this law works and some still put the ref sticker on the citation. If you are cited for noise and other equipment violations (such as missing, modified, disconnected or tampered emission equipment), you will still have to see the ref (I may post more about that another day).

CARB does not test or approve exhaust systems or mufflers after the last cat and last o2 sensor.

The ref will not test your vehicle unless you have a citation. Given this new law, they may soon get out of the exhaust noise testing biz altogether.

Having a ref certificate from your last test wonít help you with your next citation because you canít prove that the car wasnít modified after the test.

The fine is not automatically $1000. Yes, I did see the youtube video of the cop stating itís a $1000 fine, and for the person who received it, thatís possible if he ran the plates and found they were a repeat offender. Honestly, that whole video looked staged to me to work as clickbait, but I canít prove it.

The fine starts at about $25, but after adding court fees (which can vary drastically depending on the citing court), it ends up being around $250. The fine can go to $1000 for repeat offenders depending upon what court jurisdiction youíre in.

The petition is a waste of time and Iíll take bets that it will make no difference. I agree with the former poster that the argument was poorly written.

You can legally modify your exhaust after the cat if it doesnít exceed 95 db. You canít legally modify your exhaust after the cat if it exceeds 95 db. Itís that simple; just ask SEMA. Yes, I know SEMA has a web page that still claims the ref can fix the fine, but that page will be changed soon as well.

Most websites incorrectly claim the noise test now used is the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) J1169. That spec is antiquated, and for at least 5 years, everyone has been using the newer SAEJ1492 that includes information for vehicles with OEM rev-limiters. Anyone can buy the test from SAEís website.

No law enforcement officer will write a ticket for 96 db, just as they wonít write you for 66 mph in a 65, because they donít work that way. Theyíre going to cite really loud exhaust. What that means is if you have a modified exhaust and are hard on the throttle, you very likely will blow way past 95 db and attract every law enforcement entity to you. Just keep it down a little and stop pissing off the wealthy voters and legislators in your district and theyíll stop making laws like this.

Everyone in this community knows which aftermarket systems are crazy loud, and which systems will get you the performance you want without pissing everyone off and making you a target for these citations.

Thereís lots more that I donít have time to address, but this was the important stuff.

I hope this helps.
A guy on the GT350 Facebook page posted a picture of his ticket received on a stock exhaust. That seems contrary to part of your post.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:52 PM   #106
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https://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_...ification.html

So, it would appear that regardless of the fact your exhaust meets the sound (decibel) standard, you can still be cited by an officer whom uses her judgment, which varies from person to person.

The key would be to protest this law formally citing its unconstitutionality based on fact and that it favors the state as a revenue generating law, and not balanced to meet the needs of both the state and the citizen.
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Old 01-26-2019, 12:05 PM   #108
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A guy on the GT350 Facebook page posted a picture of his ticket received on a stock exhaust. That seems contrary to part of your post.
A guy on facebook... must be true.

Also, gt350 stock exhaust is pretty loud. Do some engine mods, headers and cams and you are practically over the 95db limit.

I for one think its a sensible law. It doesn't ticket at 80db level, but at 95db. That is pretty loud and common sense, at least to me.
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Old 01-26-2019, 12:31 PM   #109
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So, it would appear that regardless of the fact your exhaust meets the sound (decibel) standard, you can still be cited by an officer whom uses her judgment, which varies from person to person.

The key would be to protest this law formally citing its unconstitutionality based on fact and that it favors the state as a revenue generating law, and not balanced to meet the needs of both the state and the citizen.
The officers have to be allowed to exercise professional judgment, which is subjective. I assume they do not have decibel measuring devices installed on their cars yet which would allow them to intercept based on an objective measure. I am sure that will be coming soon, just like speed measuring lasers/radars are used for speed.

Also, at least in Arizona, an officer can ticket a driver for imprudent or unreasonable speed even IF that speed is within the speed limit. It boils down to what is reasonable in a given situation, and driving 65mph on the hwy during a haboob isn't reasonable or prudent, just one example. Also, i wouldnt think it would be unreasonable for an officer to ticket a driver for excessive noise (even if not exceeding 95db) if unreasonable or unnecessary, as in a quiet cozy street with patio areas for people to sit and eat/drink, or hospital area, or similar, you get the idea. If you purposely create noise to disrupt the flow of the area so that you can feel cool or everyone has to look at you, then you were unreasonable and deserve a ticket and can legally get one whether you like it or not.

Yes, i was 18 once and even then i did not understand the necessity for louder exhaust or other noise making mods.

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