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Old 09-23-2020, 07:17 PM   #451
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Fiesta ST has always been cool and it will be cool in 20 years.
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Old 09-23-2020, 07:27 PM   #452
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Definitely.

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Old 09-23-2020, 07:33 PM   #453
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I think the best place for this to sit between the BRZ/FRS and the Supra, both in performance and price. Give people that stepping stone... want more oomph than the twins, but can't afford a GR supra? Buy the new Z car...
I couldn't agree more. And we'll see what Toyabaru does with the next generation of 86. I'm genuinely excited.

We're living in a golden age of ICE performance here. The next couple of generations (from most manufacturers) will move electric or hybrid. And that's OK, but this upcoming generation of cars will be exciting if not a swan song.
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Old 09-23-2020, 07:55 PM   #454
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Old 09-23-2020, 09:09 PM   #455
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And we'll see what Toyabaru does with the next generation of 86. I'm genuinely excited.
Ironically I'm way more curious about that car than anything else coming out in this sporty coupe category. I can't get over the front end of the Supra, and it's not unlikely that this next Z car is more or less the outgoing one with a different motor and aesthetics (and perhaps a few handling tweaks here and there but probably nothing earth-shattering).

I'm all for crazy amounts of hp and welcome increases of it, but when we all talk about wanting a two-door sports car that:

* Looks good
* Has lots of power
* Handles well
* Isn't pig-heavy
* Has a suitable transmission
* Costs "around" $30k

Car makers generally won't be able to build something that is going to mark off all the boxes, at least not now (or in the recent past). Personally I'd be fine with sacrificing some power for all of the other things. So let's see what the next 86 offers.
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Old 09-24-2020, 09:17 AM   #456
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I think my groceries will fly all over the place inside the car before I pull so much G that my scooter flips over.
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Old 09-24-2020, 09:22 AM   #457
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I can't get over the front end of the Supra,
Yeah the only color I liked was black for the silhouette of the car so mine is black. I too had a hard time liking the Supra’s facia especially in other colors.

I got use to it and now feel the car is beautifully designed. She is sitting 2 ft from me right now.
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Old 09-24-2020, 03:09 PM   #458
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Not quite, I'm saying the base Z will get the V6TT as 1 to 1 replacement for the VQ like Infiniti did, and that it will get a few different configurations similar to the Infiniti lineup of V6TTs.
This and your base price of $35K seem pretty likely/ideal and bonus: would be absolutely amazing news for tuners.

The Infiniti Q60's 300hp VR30 and 400hp Red Sport VR30 are mechanically identical. A tune is all that seperates them, and thus, all that separates the "300hp" model from like 450 wheel is boltons and a tune.
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The Infiniti Q60's 300hp VR30 and 400hp Red Sport VR30 are mechanically identical. A tune is all that seperates them, and thus, all that separates the "300hp" model from like 450 wheel is boltons and a tune.

Damn! Really? All internals the same, exact same liquid to air coolers? F me. Sign me up for the 300 HP version Either way, 300HP or 400HP version, is going to get tuned. That's some good intel there.
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Old 09-25-2020, 07:12 AM   #460
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The Infiniti Q60's 300hp VR30 and 400hp Red Sport VR30 are mechanically identical. A tune is all that seperates them, and thus, all that separates the "300hp" model from like 450 wheel is boltons and a tune.
not really - i have a Q60 Red sport. in addition to the tune, the Red Sport has different gear ratios, an optical turbo speed sensor, a secondary water pump for the heat exchanger, an oil cooler, bigger alternator, upgraded interior w/ semi-aniline leather, Red brake calipers vs silver brake calipers, different wheels, and unique exhaust tips.

if i was buying new, not sure that stuff would be worth the premium over a lower model, but i bought it CPO 1 year old, and saved $23k over sticker.

its my daily driver with a CPO 7-year warranty, so i didn't want add 100+ hp and kill the warranty. just keeping it mostly stock.
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Old 09-25-2020, 04:40 PM   #461
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Old 09-25-2020, 05:00 PM   #462
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Yeah need to see production model. I’m still not moved by the design at all.
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Old 09-26-2020, 04:55 PM   #463
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not really - i have a Q60 Red sport. in addition to the tune, the Red Sport has different gear ratios, an optical turbo speed sensor, a secondary water pump for the heat exchanger, an oil cooler, bigger alternator, upgraded interior w/ semi-aniline leather, Red brake calipers vs silver brake calipers, different wheels, and unique exhaust tips.

if i was buying new, not sure that stuff would be worth the premium over a lower model, but i bought it CPO 1 year old, and saved $23k over sticker.

its my daily driver with a CPO 7-year warranty, so i didn't want add 100+ hp and kill the warranty. just keeping it mostly stock.
Yeah, I figured there must be some difference, but regardless, most of the tuning packages I've seen are available for both. The water pump/oil cooler is the real news/difference there, but I imagine aftermarket is probably better for those parts anyhow, rather than swapping in the RS's stock units.
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