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Old 06-06-2001, 01:14 PM   #1
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Im down for it, also there is a Gentleman in our region who is pushing for Fixed back seats to be allowed in STS, sign up here or e-mail me for that one too.....
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Old 06-07-2001, 12:33 AM   #2
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Post Sign up: Petition to allow Engine/Tranny mounts in STS

Plese respond here if you feel these should be allowed and a legal upgrade for STS classed cars. These would benifit us some, but more so the Neon guys who from what I hear go through 3-4 engine mounts a season.

They allow suspension bushing replacements.. why not engine and tranny mounts?

Post here if you agree that this rule needs to be reviewed. Also discuss issues as to why you feel they shouldn't be allowed if you are against it.

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Old 06-07-2001, 05:17 AM   #3
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I'll sign up for that on one condition. That the mounts can only be swapped out with ones that are of the same design as the originals but use either polyurethane or a more dense rubber than the factory ones. And that the replacement mounts must attach to the factory mounting points in the same manner as the factory mounts. No mount relocation, no offset mounts, etc.
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Old 06-07-2001, 05:31 AM   #4
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Sounds like a good stipulation.. Man I was hoping for more than 2 interested people.
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Old 06-07-2001, 05:42 AM   #5
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I want it!!!! The rule should allow stock mounts to be filled with rubber/poly, use OEM style mounts of stiffer duromter, or the Prothane/ES style inserts. Solid steel mounts (like the AFX stuff for the Neon) should be illegal as well as anything that changes the geometry of the motor mounting.

I think this change would make alot of sense. Mounts are easy to change and very cheap so it doesn't put anybody at a disadvantage (If you can't afford it you can always run stock!). C
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Old 06-07-2001, 05:50 AM   #6
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I'm in - I really feel for the Neon guys..

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Old 06-07-2001, 06:16 AM   #7
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Hey Guys,

Thanks for the support on the motor mount issue. My wife and I run a neon for auto-x. The stiffer mounts are definatly needed.

All they need to do for the rule is allow only the filling of the stock mount. Then you can buy the insert or fill them with urethane.

Sign me up on the motormount issue.

I'm in on the seat thing to.

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Old 06-07-2001, 07:33 AM   #8
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I'm in for the mount rule change. Heck let people use solid mounts if they want, it's their stuff that would be breaking not mine. I agree with the same location and size thing.
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Old 06-07-2001, 07:47 AM   #9
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Im all for it. I have STI E&T mounts sitting in my garage right now.
Do Neon really go through 3-4 sets a season? Thats pathetic.
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Old 06-07-2001, 08:52 AM   #10
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Same goes for me - material of the mounts doesn't matter (even steel), as long as they are the same shape and use the stock locations (i.e. no moving motor back/down/left/right for better handling, etc.)
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Old 06-07-2001, 09:53 AM   #11
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I vote yes also. The streettouring group at Yahoo Groups had a few polls about several items and whether they should be allowed in Street Touring (clutch, lightweight flywheel, motor mounts, fixed-back (race) seats) and the only one (of the 4 I listed above since I don't remember the rest of the polls) that didn't have a HUGE majority of yes votes was the flywheel which was closer to a 50/50 split in voting.

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Old 06-07-2001, 11:06 AM   #12
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I'm in for motor mounts in STS too. I really like Opie's comments/additions.

I'm not sure about solid mounts, but it definitely does need to be more than "inserts" or "filling", since some cars can't/don't work that way. My VW's front & rear mounts are nothing more than a block of rubber between two brackets, for example. There is nothing to "fill" or "insert". You can only just replace the whole piece of rubber with a piece of poly/delrin/etc.

While the motor mount issue is important because of known deficiencies in common existing cars, I don't feel the seats or flywheels meet the same conditions. If flywheel or seat mods are legalized, fine, but it is only due to personal preference. IMHO, leave that to the street-mod folks. Now, clutches, on the other hand...

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Old 06-07-2001, 02:14 PM   #13
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Absolutely. I think the original objection was to people changing suspension geometry/location, which I would also object to. However, we're really just advocating stiffer mounts of the same geometry/pivot points (e.g. STi Group N parts), as are the Neon guys. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to word the rule so this can be held up.

There is a similar (long) post on www.sccaforums.com - Jon you might want to take a look.

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Old 06-11-2001, 06:40 AM   #14
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good rule. i'm all for it.
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Old 06-11-2001, 07:11 AM   #15
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Guys-

This is a great idea but it's not even remotely new. The Neon guys have been begging for this for years. There are a lot more of them and nothing has changed. I would be very suprised if anything gets changed, pleasantly suprised but still very suprised.

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Old 08-30-2001, 12:44 PM   #16
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Anyone else want to see this happen?
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Old 08-30-2001, 01:43 PM   #17
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I still want to see this happen...C'mon people join the cause!
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Old 08-30-2001, 02:58 PM   #18
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Yeah, sign me up, but why don't you just put them on and not tell anyone? How often do tech inspectors crawl under your car and check for motor mounts? Not to mention the STi ones look stock anyway.

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Old 08-30-2001, 03:14 PM   #19
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Lightbulb Because that's not his job

Tech inspectors are primarily there to make sure you and your car are safe, not legal.

If you've been to a Divisional or Nat'l event, after the last run for your entire class, you all are put in an "impound" for a specified amount of time. This is everyman's chance to protest a mod to your car and it's between him, the SEB and you. This is any person that is on the grounds at the event. Thus, the guys looking for illegal mods are usually your competitors, not the "tech inspector". Suffice to say, your competitors, particularly if they are running the same car, will know what to look for. Since this occurs after the runs, you take your own chances.

At local events, there generally ins't much protesting of anything unless it's obviously outright not allowed in the class (e.g. a tubo RS running in STS...). Even at that, it's been my experience it's usually your peers that class your car and inform the tech inspector, not the tech inspector himself.

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