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Old 08-03-2019, 08:32 PM   #551
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The grid:

1 Verstappen Red Bull
2 Bottas Mercedes
3 Hamilton Mercedes
4 Leclerc Ferrari
5 Vettel Ferrari
6 Gasly Red Bull
7 Norris McLaren
8 Sainz McLaren
9 Grosjean Haas
10 Raikkonen Alfa Romeo
11 Hulkenberg Renault
12 Albon Toro Rosso
13 Kvyat Toro Rosso
14 Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo
15 Magnussen Haas
16 Russell Williams
17 Perez Racing Point
18 Ricciardo Renault
19 Stroll Racing Point
20 Kubica Williams

Maxi's 1st pole
First pole by a Honda power since 2006.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:47 AM   #552
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Poor Max. Looks like Red Bull got caught napping.
Where the hell is Ferrari this race. 1 minute behind!
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:01 AM   #553
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Poor Max. Looks like Red Bull got caught napping.
Where the hell is Ferrari this race. 1 minute behind!
definitely - RBR should have realized that this was a possible threat - especially since HAM was faster than VER at that stage of the race.

Caught napping not just once, but twice - first right after the pitstops where HAM closed the gap from 6s to the failed pass, and then when he pulled into the pits.

Forget Ferr - where the hell was the rest of the pack, it was literally a race between HAM and VER and then everyone else.

BOT had some piss poor luck (and HAM and LEC excellent to suffer no tyre damage) with the two taps he got in the space of 2 corners to end up where he did.

GAS - is just terrible. That is just not acceptable - losing 3 positions off the line can be explained to the medium vs. soft tyre choice, but staying in that position most of the race is pitiful.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:14 AM   #554
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Poor Max. Looks like Red Bull got caught napping.
Red Bull had about a half lap to make a decision when Hamilton pitted that last time.

On the radio they said that if they'd boxed Max on the next lap he'd have come out behind Hamilton. Maybe so, but at least Max would have been on fresh tires to make a race of it.

We'll never know but it looks like RBR missed that one.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:20 PM   #555
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Another great race. Kudos to Verstappen for handling the loss so well. Hopefully we see a lot more close races between these two.
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Old 08-04-2019, 08:36 PM   #556
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Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Hamilton Mercedes 70
2 Verstappen Red Bull
3 Vettel Ferrari 70
4 Leclerc Ferrari 70
5 Sainz McLaren 69
6 Gasly Red Bull 69
7 Raikkonen Alfa Romeo
8 Bottas Mercedes 69
9 Norris McLaren 69
10 Albon Toro Rosso 69
11 Perez Racing Point 69
12 Hulkenberg Renault 69
13 Magnussen Haas 69
14 Ricciardo Renault 69
15 Kvyat Toro Rosso 68
16 Russell Williams 68
17 Stroll Racing Point 68
18 Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo 68
19 Kubica Williams 67
Grosjean Haas 49 Water Pressure

Yep another poor performance by Gasly. Gets lapped my Max too.
Ferrari nowhere.
Maybe Redbull should of forced this race into a 2 stopper by pitting Max before lap 49.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:05 PM   #557
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Red Bull had about a half lap to make a decision when Hamilton pitted that last time.

On the radio they said that if they'd boxed Max on the next lap he'd have come out behind Hamilton. Maybe so, but at least Max would have been on fresh tires to make a race of it.

We'll never know but it looks like RBR missed that one.
Exactly! At the same time was it Hamilton's decision not to pit early on to see if RBR "blinks" first, or was it his team that said to stay out? The crew came out, waited, then waited some more, went back in, and then came out to wait for another lap.

I want to feel bad for Bottas. I want him to be respected more but dang it sometimes I think he puts himself in situations like today's with the front wing and last week when he flew to close to the sun and literally lost it.
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Battle between Hamilton and Verstappen was excellent, other than that, there was not much to the race in my opinion.

Was hoping Bottas would keep it together after his first lockup, but glad Hamilton and him stayed out of trouble the next corner. Unfortunately met Leclerc's tire.

How about Sainz yea?!

Toro Rosso crew was not entertained with Albon and Kvyat's battle.

Oh and I forgot Ferrari was there racing too.
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Kind of surprised there was no action on the incident with Bottas and LeClerc. LeClerc really seemed like he just randomly drove across almost the whole (fairly wide portion) of track and tagged him and then went back to where he was for no particular reason.

He needs to learn how to pass though. When he has free track, he's got great pace, but as soon as he's behind someone, he goes all Gasly.
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Ok so forget everything said about Max...
The guy is a star.

Yeah Lewis ate him up, but even Lewis knows that trick won't stick again.
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Old 08-05-2019, 01:57 PM   #562
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BOT had some piss poor luck (and HAM and LEC excellent to suffer no tyre damage) with the two taps he got in the space of 2 corners to end up where he did.
How did he have bad luck? He did that to himself on the start, then suffered the consequences the rest of the race.

Sucks Redbull didn't take the more risky strategy because I think in the end it would have paid off. I get where they're coming from tho, first pole for Max.. doing the safe thing and hoping just to defend at the end. Although how did they not realize Maxs tires would be gone with 5 laps to go?
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:01 PM   #563
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How did he have bad luck? He did that to himself on the start
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https://twitter.com/F1/status/115805...831170/video/1

LeClerc just swung over and tagged him for no apparent reason. Can't see any argument that Bottas did it to himself.
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Bottas started second, his start wasnīt good enough, thatīs his fault
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https://twitter.com/F1/status/115805...831170/video/1

LeClerc just swung over and tagged him for no apparent reason. Can't see any argument that Bottas did it to himself.
You can see a slight right movement from Bottas on the helicopter shot.
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https://twitter.com/F1/status/115805...831170/video/1

LeClerc just swung over and tagged him for no apparent reason. Can't see any argument that Bottas did it to himself.
The overhead shows Bottas moving over to his right just before contact. Can't really see that from the onboards but if you watch the gap between Bottas' car and the line you can easily tell he moves over.
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Bottas started second, his start wasnīt good enough, thatīs his fault
Yeh, his lock up was 100% his fault, but getting tagged twice (the first was a racing incident caused by him having that flat spot and bad exit) was not his fault - and what ruined his race. He arguably could have been challenging for the podium had the contact with LEC not happened (even after losing the position)
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You can see a slight right movement from Bottas on the helicopter shot.
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The overhead shows Bottas moving over to his right just before contact. Can't really see that from the onboards but if you watch the gap between Bottas' car and the line you can easily tell he moves over.
Man you guys are like people trying to justify the police shooting a black kid.

Bottas corrects his angle because he's pointed off-track to the left, and turns in towards the corner. It's super clear from Vettel's onboard.

LeClerc crosses half the track, hits him, then moves back to the racing line and you're looking to blame the guy he hit.
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Man you guys are like people trying to justify the police shooting a black kid.

Bottas corrects his angle because he's pointed off-track to the left, and turns in towards the corner. It's super clear from Vettel's onboard.

LeClerc crosses half the track, hits him, then moves back to the racing line and you're looking to blame the guy he hit.
Sooooo, where did I mention that it was Bottas fault? Sure he was squirming for 3 turns, and ultimately tagged with Leclerc. Perhaps the fact that Bottas locked up in first two turns, and struggled to get his car under control is the reason why the FIA did not pursue an investigation and left it as an on-track incident. Racing lines all tend to disappear on the first lap when 20 cars make their way on the same piece of tarmac. They look at all the telemetry and angles they have. But sure, lets introduce police shootings into the motorsport thread.

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And Bottas just got canned!
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^ Link? All I can find is that Mercedes is deciding between him an Ocon "in August".
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Man you guys are like people trying to justify the police shooting a black kid.

Bottas corrects his angle because he's pointed off-track to the left, and turns in towards the corner. It's super clear from Vettel's onboard.

LeClerc crosses half the track, hits him, then moves back to the racing line and you're looking to blame the guy he hit.
This comment is highly offensive. Lets' leave politics out of this site
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^ Link? All I can find is that Mercedes is deciding between him an Ocon "in August".
https://www.planetf1.com/news/esteba...t-at-mercedes/
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Planet F1 quoting Rosberg?

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Battle between Hamilton and Verstappen was excellent, other than that, there was not much to the race in my opinion.

Was hoping Bottas would keep it together after his first lockup, but glad Hamilton and him stayed out of trouble the next corner. Unfortunately met Leclerc's tire.

How about Sainz yea?!

Toro Rosso crew was not entertained with Albon and Kvyat's battle.

Oh and I forgot Ferrari was there racing too.
Yep, great mixed strategy and tire battle. Merc nailed it and knew what Max's tires would be like vs. their own, the gap, the number of laps remaining and just did what Merc does; dominate like a well-oiled machine from driver to pitwall. After a ****ty Hockenheim, that was a solid win.

Sainz has come alive this year. I initially felt bad for him because he left the RBR program due to Verstappen being the chosen one, got kicked out of Renault for RIC and then ended up at backmarkers McLaren only for the team to totally turn it around this year and regularly have 2 cars in the points. They have "best of the rest" on lockdown right now.

Renault is in the bottom 5 of the constructor's. Wow

That STR battle was 10/10. Both right on the limit, racing each other as hard as possible without being unfair or touching. That was brilliant. Take note, Haas.

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definitely - RBR should have realized that this was a possible threat - especially since HAM was faster than VER at that stage of the race.

Caught napping not just once, but twice - first right after the pitstops where HAM closed the gap from 6s to the failed pass, and then when he pulled into the pits.

Forget Ferr - where the hell was the rest of the pack, it was literally a race between HAM and VER and then everyone else.

BOT had some piss poor luck (and HAM and LEC excellent to suffer no tyre damage) with the two taps he got in the space of 2 corners to end up where he did.

GAS - is just terrible. That is just not acceptable - losing 3 positions off the line can be explained to the medium vs. soft tyre choice, but staying in that position most of the race is pitiful.
BOT definitely had bad luck. To sustain that much damage and lose that much pace from such tiny taps is just bad luck, really. But like Brundle says, "In F1, you make your own luck" and he's been off it ever since the first few races.

Despite racing for one of the top teams in F1, I do feel bad for Gasly. He wasn't ready to be promoted but RIC jumped ship. Same happened to Kvyat when Vettel left and we saw how he got chewed up and spit out. This is why I don't think anyone should be rushing to get Albon in the car and destroying his career by promoting him before he is ready.

Will Ferrari win a race this year? Ehh, maybe 1, but I don't think they'll get 2. Craziness.

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Another great race. Kudos to Verstappen for handling the loss so well. Hopefully we see a lot more close races between these two.
Probably my biggest takeaway was how he handled the tough loss. He's only getting stronger.

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Kind of surprised there was no action on the incident with Bottas and LeClerc. LeClerc really seemed like he just randomly drove across almost the whole (fairly wide portion) of track and tagged him and then went back to where he was for no particular reason.

He needs to learn how to pass though. When he has free track, he's got great pace, but as soon as he's behind someone, he goes all Gasly.
Yeah, that replay showed a way more aggressive move and more contact that so many other "race incidents" that are actually investigated by the stewards. I'm not saying it should have been any sort of a penalty, but to not look at such a big collision seemed very odd.

It's a hard track to pass on but BOT definitely gets stuck behind other cars for too long.

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Ok so forget everything said about Max...
The guy is a star.

Yeah Lewis ate him up, but even Lewis knows that trick won't stick again.
Yep, Max is a complete beast now that he has matured and cut out the silly overdriving mistakes. I'm not a fan rooting for him, but he's incredible.

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