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Old 05-08-2019, 07:38 AM   #1
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DETROIT — A lawsuit seeking class-action status accuses Ford Motor Co. of deceiving customers about the mileage of its 2019 Ranger pickup and other vehicles amid a newly disclosed criminal investigation of the automaker's emissions certification process.

Hagens Berman, the Seattle law firm that has led class-action cases over unintended acceleration in Toyotas and Volkswagen's cheating on diesel emissions, this week filed a complaint alleging that Ford "deliberately miscalculated and misrepresented factors used in vehicle certification testing" and that the process "includes a mileage cheat device."

A Ford spokeswoman said: "We haven't been served with this complaint yet. When we are, we'll review it and respond appropriately."

Ford, which first disclosed the certification issue in February, has said a Justice Department investigation that began in April does not involve so-called "defeat devices," popularized by VW's emissions scandal. Still, the complaint, filed in U.S. District Court in Detroit on behalf of people who own 2019 Ranger pickups and other potentially affected vehicles, says Ford lied to its customers.

"Ford deceptively advertised its Rangers to consumers as 'best-in-class' in fuel economy," Steve Berman, the firm's managing partner, said in a statement. "Ford knew that consumers pay a premium for fuel efficiency and that less fuel burned means less emissions, and therefore more profits."

When Ford disclosed the issue, it said "there's been no determination that this affects Ford's fuel economy labels or emissions certifications."

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At issue is the analytical model Ford used to calculate road load, a vehicle-specific resistance level used in dynamometer testing to determine fuel economy ratings and emissions certifications.

The EPA issued new guidance for determining road load that took effect beginning with 2017 models. It involved changes to the flexibility allowed in determining road load, which is the sum of forces acting on a vehicle from aerodynamic drag, tire rolling resistance, driveline losses and other effects of friction.

Mileage ratings issues
The lawsuit says Ford marketed the Ranger's fuel efficiency as a primary selling point to customers when the pickup first went on sale in January.

"In contrast to Ford's promises, scientifically valid testing has revealed that the vehicles are not as fuel efficient as promised, not what a reasonable consumer would expect, and are not what Ford had advertised," the complaint says.

This is not Ford's first problem with mileage ratings in recent years. The automaker in 2013 reduced the claimed fuel economy for its C-Max hybrid after complaints that real-world mileage was considerably less. In 2014, it lowered fuel-economy ratings for six models. In each case, Ford compensated customers for the additional fuel costs.

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Old 05-08-2019, 11:23 AM   #2
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These freaking fuel mileage lawsuits are annoying as hell, and really the only thing that comes out of them is more expensive vehicles to cover the costs of these lawsuits.

When are consumers going to learn that EPA mileage targets are a way to compare car A to car B when tested to a particular standard, not a real life metric based on each individual driver and road conditions? It's a tool for comparison, not reality. If you want good gas mileage, don't buy a ****ing pickup truck.
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These freaking fuel mileage lawsuits are annoying as hell, and really the only thing that comes out of them is more expensive vehicles to cover the costs of these lawsuits.

When are consumers going to learn that EPA mileage targets are a way to compare car A to car B when tested to a particular standard, not a real life metric based on each individual driver and road conditions? It's a tool for comparison, not reality. If you want good gas mileage, don't buy a ****ing turbo-four pickup truck.
modified it a bit for you there; the only time you are going to see "good" fuel economy in a turbo pickup is when you are unloaded and out of boost; otherwise, the thirst is real.
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These freaking fuel mileage lawsuits are annoying as hell, and really the only thing that comes out of them is more expensive vehicles to cover the costs of these lawsuits.

When are consumers going to learn that EPA mileage targets are a way to compare car A to car B when tested to a particular standard, not a real life metric based on each individual driver and road conditions? It's a tool for comparison, not reality. If you want good gas mileage, don't buy a ****ing pickup truck.
God damn ambulance chasing lawyers are parasites and I wish there was a damn heavy penalty for simply trying to bring up lawsuits in hopes something sticks for means of profit. Is lump these lawyers into the same category are con artist, criminals who create fraud, etc.
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Old 05-08-2019, 01:25 PM   #5
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These freaking fuel mileage lawsuits are annoying as hell, and really the only thing that comes out of them is more expensive vehicles to cover the costs of these lawsuits.

When are consumers going to learn that EPA mileage targets are a way to compare car A to car B when tested to a particular standard, not a real life metric based on each individual driver and road conditions? It's a tool for comparison, not reality. If you want good gas mileage, don't buy a ****ing pickup truck.
Some angry person didn't read the article (properly).
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Old 05-08-2019, 01:30 PM   #6
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modified it a bit for you there; the only time you are going to see "good" fuel economy in a turbo pickup is when you are unloaded and out of boost; otherwise, the thirst is real.
It takes fuel to make power, yes, but modern turbo engines run a lot leaner than they did back in the day, much closer ratios to what a naturally aspirated engine would.

Everyone always complains about how many trucks they see “hauling air”, so it should be a net gain for most owners.

I started a Fuelly.com account for my F150 3.5TT. The numbers I saw on this road trip I’m on are nothing short of phenomenal, but I’ll save that for another trip.
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Old 05-08-2019, 01:40 PM   #7
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Some angry person didn't read the article (properly).
No, I read the whole article. I also dug a little deeper and read a bit more about the issue at hand.

The lawsuit is an over-reaching money grab. They're alleging that Ford used a "cheat device", when investigators have already determined that was not the case. They completely disregard the fact that Ford has been upfront and transparent the entire time regarding this, but allege that Ford conspired to increase sales. Completely unfounded allegations that now Ford needs to pay a legal team to defend.

Keep in mind, this whole thing started because of an internal investigation that Ford started. They hired an outside firm to investigate their computer modeling used to calculate MPG's because some folks internally thought that the numbers didn't make sense. In effort of transparency, they alerted officials. In come the money grabbing lawyers.
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Old 05-08-2019, 01:44 PM   #8
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modified it a bit for you there; the only time you are going to see "good" fuel economy in a turbo pickup is when you are unloaded and out of boost; otherwise, the thirst is real.
If you want good mileage, don't buy a vehicle that weighs more than 2 tons and is incredibly un-aerodynamic. A pickup truck is for utility, not efficiency.
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If you want good mileage, don't buy a vehicle that weighs more than 2 tons and is incredibly un-aerodynamic. A pickup truck is for utility, not efficiency.
Hence the quotes; I'm speaking in relative terms. Yes, a CUV/car/notatruck is going to be more efficient than a truck, but if you're in the truck game, do a little research first, with a bent on intended actual use rather than fantasized use.
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Old 05-08-2019, 07:17 PM   #10
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I completely agree that buying a pickup truck for fuel efficiency is just stupid.

How much do these complainers weigh anyway? Them and their family might be the load the car wasn't designed to handle on a daily basis at those mpg's Ford posted. Especially low self-esteem appears to play a role when it comes to lead foot.
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Old 05-09-2019, 03:41 PM   #11
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I think it is a bit much and would prefer a "gas guzzler" tax added to some of these vehicles as opposed to see them "tune" their way out of the MPG's.

Let free market do it's thing. With all the systems out now (hybrid, electric, small engine) the buyer can decide. If .Gov wants a grand or two more for a big truck or V8 sports car I'd gladly pay it as opposed to watching them tune it down with gearing and strange ECU mapping that makes the car jump around all the time.
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Old 05-10-2019, 10:22 AM   #12
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Ford never gets claimed mileage and many gripe and know this. They have developed a science to rate high in EPA tests to accomplish this using special tires in ecoboost F150 and every trick they can. I often wondered if they juiced up the fel with additives and special tunes to ECU. Mechanics have noticed while many are close Ford is always the worse of any manufacturer at meeting claims. This is not new but has been ongoing as far back as 80s.

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