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Old 04-23-2018, 03:43 PM   #1
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Default Chinese Magazine Leaks Mercedes Benz A-Class Sedan Ahead Of Beijing Debut

Mercedesí first ever A-Class sedan will be officially break cover this week.

The Beijing Auto Show will be opening its doors this week, and while a lot of the new cars on display will be exclusive to the Chinese market, one car American buyers will be keeping a keen eye on is the world debut of the Mercedes A-Class sedan since the previously revealed hatchback wonít be available in the US. Mercedes has already confirmed it will be lifting the wraps of the A-Class sedan at the event, and an image has already leaked online showing the compact sedan before its official reveal.

The revealing photo, shared by CarNewsChina, was snapped after ďworkers forgot to cover a giant backdrop they were busy hanging up on the exhibition hall.Ē Notice the text on the license plate reads ďA Class L Sport Sedan,Ē indicating that what weíre looking at here is the long wheelbase version exclusive to the Chinese market providing extra rear legroom. Still, it gives us a good idea of what the US-spec Mercedes A-Class sedan will look like. The overall design certainly looks less dramatic than the Concept A Saloon we saw at Shanghai last year. At the front, the 2019 Mercedes-Benz A-Class Sedan clearly takes its cues from the hatchback.

It features the same slender headlights and large front grille, but the sedan version features a sloping roofline and AMG exterior parts, giving it a sporty appearance. Like the hatchback, the A-Class sedan will ride on an updated version of Mercedesí Modular Front-drive Architecture, resulting in reduced weight and support for alternative drivetrains. In the US, weíre expecting the compact sedan to pack a 2.0-liter turbocharged inline-4 sending 224 horsepower to the front wheels via a 7-speed dual-clutch transmission. It will also spawn high-performance AMG variants with all-wheel drive, including an A45 with over 400 hp on tap and an A35 with around 300 hp.

Expect the hatchback's class-leading interior and innovative MBUX infotainment system to carry over as well. In addition to the A-Class sedan, the Vision Mercedes-Maybach Ultimate Luxury concept will also be revealed at the show this week, but thanks to leaked images and details we already know what to expect.


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Mercedes-Benz A-Class Saloon unveiled as Audi A3 Saloon rival
Saloon version of latest A-Class will arrive on roads in Britain later this year

Mercedes-Benz has unveiled the definitive production version of its A-Class Saloon at the 2018 Beijing motor show ahead of a UK launch for the new model later this year.

The sixth member of Mercedes-Benzís compact car line-up, which goes under the internal codename Z177, draws heavily on the earlier Concept A saloon unveiled at last yearís Shanghai motor show with an appearance that combines the distinctive front-end styling of the recently introduced fourth-generation A-Class hatchback with a rear-end reminiscent of the latest third-generation CLS.

Although the A-Class Saloon sold in China, or the A-Class L Saloon as it is officially named, receives a 60mm longer wheelbase than that planned for sale in the UK, officials confirm the two variants of the new four-door boast the same styling.



ďTheyíre the same model but in different lengths. The added length of the Chinese version is concentrated wholly within the rear door, which is longer than that of the A-Class Saloon to be sold in other world markets to ease entry to the rear,Ē Mercedes-Benzís chief design officer, Gorden Wagener, revealed to Autocar.

The new Mercedes-Benz model is aimed squarely at the Audi A3 Saloon. It is one of eight new compact models planned by the German car maker, including the new A-Class hatchback as well as successors to the existing B-class, CLA, CLA Shooting Brake and GLA, as well a new compact SUV likely to be named the GLB and an as yet to be confirmed model.

At 4609mm in length, 1796mm in width and 1460mm in height, the Chinese version of the A-Class Saloon is 77mm shorter, 14mm narrower and 18mm higher than the existing standard wheelbase C-Class Saloon, as sold in the UK.



It also rides on a wheelbase that is just 51mm shorter than the standard wheelbase C-Class at 2789mm, with wheels that vary in diameter between 16in and 19in.

For other global markets, including the UK, the new four-door will receive a 60mm shorter wheelbase at 2729mm, reducing its length to 4549mm, making it 91mm longer than the Audi A3 Saloon.

For the Chinese version, boot capacity is put at 420 litres, 5 litres less than that offered by the A3 Saloon.

Inside, the new A-Class Saloon adopts the same high-quality dashboard and advanced infotainment functions as the new A-Class hatchback, including Mercedes-Benzís new MBUX operating system that introduces touchscreen control, conversational speech recognition and the ability for two users to connect simultaneously.



In China, the A-Class Saloon will initially be sold with a turbocharged 1.3-litre four-cylinder petrol engine with 134bhp in base form or 161bhp in a mildly higher state of tune. It will be joined shortly after the new four-doorís introduction by a more powerful turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol unit with 188bhp.

Both engines will be offered exclusively with a standard seven-speed dual clutch gearbox, with the case of the smaller-engined models getting a Getrag-produced gearbox.

Chinese versions of the new A-class saloon will be produced at Beijing Benz Automotive Ė a joint-venture operation between Beijing Automotive Industry Corporation and Mercedes-Benz parent company Daimler.














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Old 04-24-2018, 11:34 AM   #3
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A-Class Sedan Long Wheelbase?
Why not just update the C-Class Sedan with the new tech then?
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What is it?
This is the cheapest – or rather least expensive – version of the Mercedes-Benz A-Class you can now buy, bringing with it a couple of significant firsts: the A180-spec version of the 1.3-litre petrol engine and a manual gearbox, all wrapped up in the entry-level SE spec.

The gearbox in particular is most definitely welcome, for one of the big criticisms of several early versions of this fourth-generation A-Class has been the seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox, the sole choice thus far, and the hesitancy it can display.

The A180 engine is a detuned version of the 1.3-litre four-cylinder turbo found in the A200, producing a still healthy 134bhp and 148lb ft in this state of tune. The manual 'box it drives the front wheels through is a six-speeder. You can also now get the gearbox on the A200 as well as the A180, with more set to follow, including on diesel versions, as Mercedes fleshes out the new A-Class

What's it like?
We’ve tried the auto’ in several petrol and diesel versions, and found a hesitancy in it, particularly at step-off and low speeds, as well as a wider lack of intuitiveness when you’re looking for a quick burst of acceleration. It’s probably the one major black mark about what is otherwise an excellent well-rounded family hatchback.

So it’s a relief that the manual makes the car so much more drivable across so much more of the rev range. A good transmission will just slip into the background experience of driving, and give you an unconscious enjoyment when doing so, and this gearbox does just that.

The shift is slick, the integration with the engine seamless and the low-speed hesitancy of the auto’ all gone. It’s the transmission we’d now recommend when speccing your A-Class.

There’s plenty to recommend about this engine, too. It feels in no way a poor relation in the range, with more urgency and a wider band of use than its diminutive capacity suggests. It's as much performance as you'll tend to need in everyday driving, without ever getting your pulse racing.

The engine and gearbox can’t of course solve some of the choppiness of the low-speed ride, even on 16in alloys and tyres with plenty of sidewall (205/60) that SE trim brings. Shame, as the A-Class oozes sophistication almost everywhere else, from its precise and agile handling, pleasing steering feel and, of course, that interior. Multi-link rear-end-equipped versions of the A-Class higher up the range (this one gets a torsion beam) handle with even greater agility, and do ride a bit better across all speeds, too.

This is an interior that, even in this entry-level SE trim, feels a bit special in the class. You still get two colour screens, one for the driver’s information, and another for infotainment that’s packed with features including navigation and voice recognition software as standard. There’s a real richness to the materials and design, too, and the driving position and general control layout is excellent; you’re not left with any big blank gaps where buttons should be.

SE trim also brings with it some active safety assistance systems, such as braking and lane-keeping. In fact, there was not a single option fitted to our test car, making it a true representation of the A-Class in its purest form, and jolly impressive it is with it. There’s nothing to hide here.

Should I buy one?
In many ways, this latest version of the A-Class is the one we’d recommend. Keen drivers will find more to their dynamic liking with the more potent and higher-tech AMG Line models higher up the range, but the price will be close to starting with a three by that point.

There’s little compromise to be had here though when you factor in the cost saving, and both the A180-spec engine and manual gearbox connected to it are worthy recommendations on their own.

And in SE trim, this A-Class is not only the least expensive A-Class but the least expensive Mercedes-Benz, and you’re asked to sacrifice very little from a well rounded car for that privilege.

Mercedes-Benz A180 specification

Where Oxfordshire, UK Price £23,075 On sale Now Engine 4cyls, in line, 1332cc, turbocharged, petrol Power 134bhp at 5500rpm Torque 148lb ft at 1460rpm Gearbox 6-speed manual Kerb weight 1350kg Top speed 132mph 0-62mph 9.2sec Fuel economy 47.1mpg CO2, tax band 127g/km, 26% Rivals Volkswagen Golf, Audi A3








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The Audi S3 sedan and Mercedes AMG A35 sedan couldnít be more different in terms of appearance. The fact that they are both sedans is really where the similarities end because they display vastly different design philosophies. The first is quite a serious and sober looking little sedan with sporty bits that lend it extra credibility, while the latter is a much more curvaceous thing to behold, and its sporty makeover just makes it look like it should be more fun to drive. The Audi says ďget out of my way!,Ē while the Mercedes says ďcome on, throw me into a corner, I dare you!Ē

Front

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The front end on both cars are dominated by big openings, some of which let air in, while others donít. In this respect (the amount of real estate dedicated to fake vents), they are actually very evenly matched - they both have fake vent panels in the area where youíd expect to see fog lights, but in terms of style they couldnít be more different. Sure, this generation S3 does have some curves, but you could still sum up its front end as squared off and not very fussy.

The A35ís front fascia has fewer creases and fewer sharp edges than the S3ís, and if you didnít have another next to it for scale, you could confuse it for the CLS (even if this isnít the A-Classí four-door coupe's brother, the new CLA).

Audis in recent memory have been accused of having oversized grilles that look ridiculous, but frankly, looking at the S3 dead on, its grille seems perfectly proportioned for its size. Of the two, itís the A35 AMG that has the larger and more obvious grille, as well as the larger and more obvious brand logo displayed on it. The Mercedes also has active ducts to channel air from around the fake vent in the foglight area and out behind the bumper, and the Audi appears to have those too, but they donít lead anywhere.

Side

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Now if there is one exterior angle that will leave anybody in no doubt in regards to the fact that these two cars are direct rivals, thatís the side view. From the side, they have eerily similar overall proportions and what sets them apart are their more angular and curvaceous styles.

And, the similarities continue. Both cars have very similar creases both in the upper and lower parts of the body (close to the carís shoulder line and side skirt). The upper crease follows the shape of the car, and it shows the Audi is considerably more straight, while the Mercedes has considerably more tapering in its design. The rear crease is identical in terms of shape, placement, and purpose on both cars.

In terms of the shape of their roof, we again canít ignore the similarities, but if we showed you photos of them in black and white, youíd not know which one belongs to what car.

The Mercedes A35 sedan does look like it has the stubbier, perter rear end, though, and its ducktail trunk lid spoiler is bigger and more obvious too. And the rear window is different - the A35ís rear window includes the small quarterlight, so its window can go lower into the door and open wider, while the S3 has a single piece glass on the door and the quarterlight is part of the C-pillar.

Overall, while I do think the S3 sedan is one of the better-looking sedans at any price, the A35 sedan might be even better; I think it might become my new favorite from the segment.

Rear

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Believe it or not, the rear end designs of these two sedans are not really that different. Sure, the A35ís rear light clusters are bigger compared to the S3ís, but they are roughly the same shape and are placed pretty much in the same place. The Mercedesí light clusters also curve around the corners of the car a lot more than the Audiís do, and this wrap-around design goes very well with the more curvy aesthetic of the A35 sedan.

The A35ís bumper is a bit more aggressive and sporty, although between its fake vertical vents on the sides and the scratch-prone glossy black plastic on the lower part of the bumper, I think itís the S3ís more restrained (and lower maintenance) bumper that I think is the better design.

Plus I prefer the Audiís twin dual exhaust tips, as opposed to the Mercedesí single tips surrounded by yet more plastic - the Audi's bumper is the more tasteful and aesthetically pleasing of the two for me.

Of the two, the A35 sedanís bulging rear wheel arches make it look a bit more planted than the S3 sedan, but the latter didnít have a bad stance to begin with; even more credit to how the Mercedesí rear end looks.

Interior

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There is a huge difference inside these cars, much greater than the difference between their exteriors. The Audi S3ís interior feels more old fashioned, more like that of an Audi from the early 2000s, even though it has a fully digital gauge cluster, a slick infotainment screen, and design details that, if you look closely, make it look very contemporary.

On the other hand, the A35 feels like itís a car from the near future that you can buy today. It has a similar twin-screen setup, similar round air vents, button placement, and overall layout, and yet it exudes such a different vibe compared to the S3 sedan.

The Mercedesí interior has far more dramatic shapes, it uses mood lighting to great effect, and it kind of makes rivals look like theyíre from the last decade.

The Mercedes has two 10.25-inch screens, while the Audi has a bigger 12.3-inch screen for infotainment and another 7-inch screen atop the center console. The latter can actually retract into the dashboard when not required, and thus it makes the S3ís cabin feel a little less busy and cluttered compared to the A35ís. The A35ís interior is just dominated by the two big screens - in the Audi, your attention is drawn to the brilliant 12.3-inch digital gauges, but everything else is considerably more subtle than in the Mercedes.

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Itís also very hard to choose a favorite steering wheel; both the A35ís and S3ís are just great - they have the same design with two horizontal spokes and a double vertical spoke, a flat bottom, and nice, grippy, perforated leather on the part of the rim where your hands are supposed to go. The AMG wheel just looks that little bit more special and spectacular, as itís essentially the same one Mercedes fits to all its AMG models, even those of the uber-expensive variety.

In terms of ambiance, the Audi S3ís cabin definitely feels like a more relaxing place to travel, while in the Mercedes the more youthful design edges you to... act more youthfully yourself.

With the floating screens, the excessive mood lighting (thatís even embedded into the center of all the turbine-style air vents,) and the more appealing steering wheel, the Mercedes just pips it as being the nicer place to sit.

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If you choose your cars based on whether or not you can wear tall hats in them, then you should know the S3 sedan has 1,006 mm of headroom in the front and 924 mm of headroom in the rear, while the A35 sedan has 1,024 mm of front headroom and 944 mm of rear headroom. That puts the A-Class sedan ahead by a small margin, and on par with something like a Hyundai Elantra (1024 mm front headroom / 947 mm rear headroom).

The Audi S3 sedan has a whisker less shoulder room inside than the Mercedes AMG A35 sedan; up front itís 1,392 mm versus 1,400 mm, while in the rear itís 1,372 mm versus 1,345 mm.

However, the S3 sedan has more rear legroom - 892 mm to the A35 sedanís 861 mm. When it comes to carrying passengers, they are very evenly matched, although since the Audi has a bit more rear legroom, it has to be the better pick for carrying passengers (it also has a slightly larger trunk).

Technology

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The AMG A35 sedan features Mercedes latest MBUX infotainment system that runs on a pair of 10.25-inch screens that you can also get in the C-Class and E-Class sedans, as well as other new Three Pointed Star offerings.

MBUX does all the things you expect from a modern infotainment, it offers some customization of its interface, artificial intelligence that learns and adapts according to what the driver does, natural speech recognition, and three ways of interacting with it.

You can either use the small clickable touchpads on the steering wheel, the controls mounted on the center stack, or just prodding the screen.

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The S3 sedan has a bigger digital gauge cluster displayed on a 12.3-inch TFT screen that probably just has the edge on the Mercedes when it comes to image quality and sharpness. However, its 7-inch center infotainment screen is smaller, but unlike the one in the A35, the Audiís center screen silently (and elegantly) retracts into the dashboard when you donít need it (or donít want it to block part of your field of view).

Both models have all possible connectivity options (including Apple CarPlay and Android Auto), as well as a full suite of standard and optional safety systems. They are very evenly matched in this respect, and you canít really split them on tech - choosing one or the other will boil down to whichever you like the look of best and/or whichever delivers the most satisfying driving experience depending on your preference.

Drivetrain & Performance

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Since these two cars are so similar in so many ways, youíd expect them to have very similar engines. And they do. Both are 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinders with slightly different horsepower ratings, and both come with all-wheel drive as standard.

The Audi S3 Quattroís engine makes 295 horsepower from 5,300 to 6,500 rpm and 295 pound-feet (400 Nm) of torque from 2,000 to 5,2000 rpm, but this torque figure is only this high for cars equipped with the manual six-speed transmission. Examples fitted with the seven-speed dual clutch loose 20 Nm, peaking at only 280 pound-feet (380 Nm ).

Audi claims the three-box S3 sprints to 100 km/h (62 mph) just over 5 seconds, and its top speed is 250 km/h or 155 mph. Even if cars equipped with the automatic lose a bit of torque, they are actually faster by nearly half a second; Audi claims a time of 4.7 seconds.

2020 Mercedes AMG A35 sedan VS 2019 Audi S3 sedan
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The Mercedes AMG A35 sedan posts nearly identical figures.

It brings 302 horsepower at 5,800 rpm to the table and a torque figure thatís exactly the same - 400 Nm (295 pound-feet), although the rpm at which it is delivered is slightly different - from 3,000 to 4,000 revs.

Unlike the S3 sedan, you canít have the A35 sedan with a manual gearbox; the only transmission offered is a seven-speed dual clutch with steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters. It too should be able to sprint to 100 km/h (62 mph) in no more than five seconds (the A35 AMG hatchback does the sprint in a claimed 4.7 seconds, and the sedan shouldnít be far off).

However, even though on paper they may seem identical, if you put both cars (equipped with automatic gearboxes) on a drag strip to see if thereís anything in it, there apparently really is. In comparative acceleration tests of the hatchback version of both cars, the Audi always seem to just soar ahead of the Mercedes, even though thereís hardly anything in it when it comes to specs.

In the corners, the Audi S3 is known to not be the friskiest and most adjustable all-wheel-drive hot hatch around. It tends to understeer a bit and, while itís really quick off the line and going straight, itís not the most fun thing to throw around - the cheaper and mechanically related VW Golf R is inexplicably more fun. And so is the A35 sedan, with better and more communicative steering and a more wayward character in the corners - it handles like you expect an AMG to and you can play with it more than you can with the S3 sedan; to that end, itís closer in its character to a Ford Focus RS.

Mercedes-AMG A35 Sedan vs. Audi S3 sedan specifications

Mercedes-AMG A35 Sedan Audi S3 Sedan
Engine 2.0-litre 4-cylinder in-line with exhaust gas turbocharger 2.0-liter Incline four-cylinder turbo direct injection, four valve per cylinder, DOHC
Displacement 1991 cc 1991 cc
Max. output 225 kW (306 hp) at 5800 rpm 288 hp
Peak torque 295 lb-ft at 3000-4000 rpm 280lb-ft
Transmission AMG SPEEDSHIFT DCT 7G dual-clutch transmission Seven-speed S tronicģ dual-clutch automatic transmission and quattroģ all-wheel drive
Combined fuel consumption 7.3-7.2 l/100 km 25 mpg
Acceleration 0-100 km/h 4.8 s 4.6 seconds
Top speed 155 mph 155 mph
Final Thoughts

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While the Audi S3 is an established name in the compact performance car segment, the S3 sedan is a relative newcomer. But the fact that the S3 nameplate has been around since 1999 means people are more familiar with it and, to many buyers, it might seem like the safer purchase compared to the complete newcomer that is the A35 sedan.

Both cars are somewhat different answers to the same question, and which one you go for is up to you. The Mercedes is more fun to drive, has slightly better handling (and a more modern, more interesting interior), while the Audi feels more mature, grown up and refined, but at the same time, it will out-accelerate its new arch rival.

Turning up anywhere in the Mercedes is also more of a statement since its exterior styling is considerably more noticeable than the Audiís. In fact, you pick the S3 sedan if you just want to go fast and not really stand out or get noticed all that much (only car guys will know your car is a more special S3 and not a regular A3 with some sporty bits stuck to it). The A35, on the other hand, will get you noticed, and it just looks like something more special and unique - people donít really know the shape so, even if they donít care about it being a performance model, they will care about the novelty factor.

2020 Mercedes AMG A35 sedan VS 2019 Audi S3 sedan
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When it comes to how you feel inside the two cars (a big decision making factor for many buyers, Iím sure), there is really no contest between them. Sure, the Audi might have some better materials than the Mercedes, but its design feels nowhere near as fresh and modern. You canít split them on interior space, though, as both offer nearly identical levels of passenger room and cargo capacity.

In the end, the fact that the AMG A35 sedan is a new car and will undoubtedly attract more attention in its direction. And, once people see its interior, they may instantly fall in love with its style and end up completely ignoring the much more mature looking S3 sedan (which is also faster in a straight line as per drag races conducted by serious automotive journos). People may even be willing to pay a premium just to have a piece of this new A35 sedan action, especially since itís going to be the only flavor of Mercedes AMG A35 available in the US (so all eyes will be on it, not the hatchback that wonít make it over the Pond).

So, even if the Audi S3 sedan is just a bit faster than the Mercedes A35 sedan in the real world and has slightly better materials inside in the end wonít really matter because the Mercedes has much more wow factor, and for the money itís certainly a lot more than what the forgettable looking S3 can muster.














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That Benz interior reminds me of a cheap G-Shock watch.. they need to get better designers for the exterior too. Benz use to make cool looking cars until about a decade ago. Then it all went to crap.
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What is it with the fad of having these tablet screens sticking out of the dash? Is there no way to display the info in a more traditional way?
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I agree. They look like some poor kid's car where he couldn't afford the higher trim with navigation and ended up velcro-ing his tablet onto the dash.
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...n-photos-info/

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An even more powerful AMG version of the A-class is coming later in the year.
This may be my next car.
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I am just hear to say as the owner of several respectable swiss watches, I love me some G shock.
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I am just hear to say as the owner of several respectable swiss watches, I love me some G shock.
I'm not much of a watch collector or anything like that but I own several MRG, MTG, and their CF aviation G-shocks. They are very well made and I like the fun factory they bring.
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Old 05-14-2019, 12:45 AM   #16
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