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Old 05-10-2019, 11:01 AM   #651
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uh, it was on its 3rd battery when it hit 400k miles. the 2nd battery had 20%+ degradation in about 125k miles.
my bad

https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla...radation-data/

This article says less than 10% battery degradation after 160,000 miles
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:15 AM   #652
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I did this both with the Model 3 LR and Model S LR for a trip I frequently take of around 240 miles round trip. It would require one stop 1/2 way on the return leg.

What I found interesting was the "gas savings" they have listed at the bottom.

Model 3: 10 min charge, $4 Est. gas savings. (Off 27 mpg)
Model S: 5 min charge, $31 Est. gas savings.

5 min of charging = $25 in gas? How's that?

And saving $4 in gas doesn't seem like that much of a benefit, based on the premium paid for the 3, and 10 minutes of not progressing to the final destination.

For grins, I did my house to my vacation destination (Hilton head) with the Model 3 LR. 3h10m charging. That's almost whole segment in a gas car. The part I had a laugh at was the estimated gas savings: $18. That's it? L to the O to the L. Sorry, 3+ hours in time on a beach, playing golf, or eating at a fine restaurant on vacation is worth a LOT more than saving $18. Considering I average 32 (and that's low, I can get 35) highway, and comparing the $18 vs what I'd get in the Subaru... I'd save $2 by taking the 3 LR. Show me the value proposition of a Model 3 LR. Just not seeing it.

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gas savings come mostly for daily commuting and not long trip for the average person. Model 3 LR is there for the average person since everyone is scare about range anxiety. I am 7000 miles on my model 3 and already saved around $1000-800 on gas vs my 18mpg car that needed 93oct that cost $3 dollars around my area.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:30 AM   #653
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Also keep in mind that the superchargers cost ~3x per kwh than it does to charge at home.

A trip with 3 hours of charging is probably long enough that some of that time can be doubled up with eating.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:54 AM   #654
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:04 AM   #655
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When will it bottom out? I want to put the Miata funds into Tesla for the bounce back.
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:12 AM   #656
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When will it bottom out? I want to put the Miata funds into Tesla for the bounce back.
Until sale, bailout, or removal of Elon, 0 is where the laws of economics have had it for years.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:09 PM   #657
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When will it bottom out? I want to put the Miata funds into Tesla for the bounce back.
Until they fix the tariff issue.

The dow is down 690 points . I bought some more Tesla stock on Friday
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:41 PM   #658
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just an observation here: Tesla fans and Porsche fans really hate each other. I wondered into a Porsche thread in r/cars on reddit and it was savage. The fact that a Model 3 is so quick to 60 has some people moving goalposts about what makes a car worth spending a lot of money on. It's only going to get worse when you can pick these up on the used market for cheap or when people figure out how to swap Tesla motors and batteries into a 1990 Miata. Heck, I want to build a 9 second Tesla riding lawn mower because reasons.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:03 PM   #659
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Porsche fans hate more Porsche fans than they hate all other makes put together.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:21 PM   #660
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Porsche fans hate more Porsche fans than they hate all other makes put together.

Well, yeah. Seems a lot of them owned a WRX or STI at some point
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Eventually, the electric car tech will be so cheap and ubiquitous that the only thing special about old sports cars is how they sound. Even an electric Kia will outrun all current petrol-powered Porsches.
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Did they post a release date on those "consumer" (AKA real poor people) Tesla model? I'd love to see how much you can do on a charge, that's the only thing (and the price) that stops me from getting one.
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Did they post a release date on those "consumer" (AKA real poor people) Tesla model? I'd love to see how much you can do on a charge, that's the only thing (and the price) that stops me from getting one.
You mean the Model 3? $35k base model (raised to $35,400 this week) The website doesn't list it, but you can order it by phone. The cheapest version on the website is $39,900 and that one has 240 mile range and autopilot.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:13 PM   #665
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Eventually, the electric car tech will be so cheap and ubiquitous that the only thing special about old sports cars is how they sound. Even an electric Kia will outrun all current petrol-powered Porsches.
Yes and no. The only reason they are quick currently is because Tesla set a somewhat benchmark for being really quick even with the base model. Eventually the autos will realize they donít need it to compete speed wise with Tesla for ordinary passenger cars and will likely be back to 200hp vehicles. Thinking every EV needs ridiculous 0-60 times is like expecting every ICE passenger car to go 0-60 in 4 seconds
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Yes and no. The only reason they are quick currently is because Tesla set a somewhat benchmark for being really quick even with the base model. Eventually the autos will realize they donít need it to compete speed wise with Tesla for ordinary passenger cars and will likely be back to 200hp vehicles. Thinking every EV needs ridiculous 0-60 times is like expecting every ICE passenger car to go 0-60 in 4 seconds
but what if every ICE vehicle did get to 60 in 4 seconds.... what a world!
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So I test drove a Model 3 Standard range plus two weeks ago, as well as a Dual Motor. The Tesla showroom (don't have full stores in Michigan because monopoly) was about to close but they gave me a quick ride in a Performance.

I was totally blown away. The standard range plus was a lot of car. It felt quick even with 5 people in it. I was debating between going with the super cheap one (all black, no autopilot, standard range) and going long range dual motor with the blue paint and standard 18" wheels. I ended up going with dual motor. Tomorrow I'm going to go pick it up. I have to drive 4 hours to Cleveland to get it.

The actual buying process has been pretty easy in terms of the steps, but the website is confusing and doesn't give you an overall understanding of how the process works. So if you're used to a normal dealership you get a little confused.

We'll see how it turns out. I can Level-2 charge for free at work, and my current V8 daily is costing me $200 a month in gas, so that somewhat offsets the car payment on a $50k vehicle.
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but what if every ICE vehicle did get to 60 in 4 seconds.... what a world!
You know it wasn't that long ago that the same was said for 8 second 0-60 cars

it doesn't take long for us to get jaded
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You know it wasn't that long ago that the same was said for 8 second 0-60 cars

it doesn't take long for us to get jaded
we're still not to 8 seconds yet.
Crosstrek is 9.0, legacy is 9.5, forester is 9.6, 1.8l corolla is 9.9 (2020 2.0l is quicker), and there is a sizable group above 10 seconds (CH-R, ecosport, and other "economy" CUVs).

Those times are laughable when a crew cab/four door F-150 can do it in under 6 seconds.

Electrification will help though.
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it will be interesting to see how difficult it is to take a slower electric-only vehicle and make it Tesla-fast. That's the future of tuning, is it not?
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So I test drove a Model 3 Standard range plus two weeks ago, as well as a Dual Motor. The Tesla showroom (don't have full stores in Michigan because monopoly) was about to close but they gave me a quick ride in a Performance.

I was totally blown away. The standard range plus was a lot of car. It felt quick even with 5 people in it. I was debating between going with the super cheap one (all black, no autopilot, standard range) and going long range dual motor with the blue paint and standard 18" wheels. I ended up going with dual motor. Tomorrow I'm going to go pick it up. I have to drive 4 hours to Cleveland to get it.

The actual buying process has been pretty easy in terms of the steps, but the website is confusing and doesn't give you an overall understanding of how the process works. So if you're used to a normal dealership you get a little confused.

We'll see how it turns out. I can Level-2 charge for free at work, and my current V8 daily is costing me $200 a month in gas, so that somewhat offsets the car payment on a $50k vehicle.
Congrats. From a 5 year EV DD'er, go ahead and pick out a solid L2 charger for your domicile and get it installed. It'll probably need a 40 amp breaker and corresponding gauge wire. Electrician will also likely want to install closest to your breaker panel as possible.

They finally installed 7-8 L2's at work in the parking garage. I'm hooked up to one this morning but most days they're full. Ever since they put them in, a bunch of chinzlers bought EV's or plug-in hybrids to scam free juice so I can rarely use them anymore. From other people I know in my business same has happened at their workplaces.

Once you have your own L2 charger (about $500) the range anxiety bs is history. You'll regularly top it off but rarely need to charge it from dead.
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So I test drove a Model 3 Standard range plus two weeks ago, as well as a Dual Motor. The Tesla showroom (don't have full stores in Michigan because monopoly) was about to close but they gave me a quick ride in a Performance.

I was totally blown away. The standard range plus was a lot of car. It felt quick even with 5 people in it. I was debating between going with the super cheap one (all black, no autopilot, standard range) and going long range dual motor with the blue paint and standard 18" wheels. I ended up going with dual motor. Tomorrow I'm going to go pick it up. I have to drive 4 hours to Cleveland to get it.

The actual buying process has been pretty easy in terms of the steps, but the website is confusing and doesn't give you an overall understanding of how the process works. So if you're used to a normal dealership you get a little confused.

We'll see how it turns out. I can Level-2 charge for free at work, and my current V8 daily is costing me $200 a month in gas, so that somewhat offsets the car payment on a $50k vehicle.
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Congrats. From a 5 year EV DD'er, go ahead and pick out a solid L2 charger for your domicile and get it installed. It'll probably need a 40 amp breaker and corresponding gauge wire. Electrician will also likely want to install closest to your breaker panel as possible.

They finally installed 7-8 L2's at work in the parking garage. I'm hooked up to one this morning but most days they're full. Ever since they put them in, a bunch of chinzlers bought EV's or plug-in hybrids to scam free juice so I can rarely use them anymore. From other people I know in my business same has happened at their workplaces.

Once you have your own L2 charger (about $500) the range anxiety bs is history. You'll regularly top it off but rarely need to charge it from dead.
Dude you hate ICE drivers and now you hate on other EV drivers

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There are a lot of EV charging spaces at my work, over 20. I get in early and there are always a bunch open. I am currently renting my house and I'm reluctant to spend money on an L2 charger. My Landlord drives a Volt and has no problems with me getting one, he understandably won't pay for it though.

I'm not concerned about range with the 310 miles battery. My current plan is to charge at work twice a week, and occasionally top off on 110V-15A at home. My commute is 42 miles round trip per work day.
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Yes and no. The only reason they are quick currently is because Tesla set a somewhat benchmark for being really quick even with the base model. Eventually the autos will realize they don’t need it to compete speed wise with Tesla for ordinary passenger cars and will likely be back to 200hp vehicles. Thinking every EV needs ridiculous 0-60 times is like expecting every ICE passenger car to go 0-60 in 4 seconds


My Leaf is Tesla quick?


There are plenty (read: most) EV's on the market that are not at all concerned about 0-60 times. The 0-60 times are what they are because of torque, instant torque and no shifting.
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