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Old 05-10-2019, 05:49 PM   #26
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They are going to build like 200 of the S209. Why even bother comparing that to volume cars? Plus is lots going to cost in the ballpark of an M2C.
because Subaru has been trickling down the parts in the limited editions that they started selling here to the base STI's in new model years. As they did with the Type RA, they will do that with the S209. A fully forged S209 STI is way more durable than a BMW M2C, M3 or basically any of them....the next editions of the base STI's will more likely than not be fully forged whether its a new 2.4 or the 2.5 refreshed. These limited editions serve as test beds for trickle down to the higher production models.

STI's are more of a drivers car now than BMW's so the appeal for a BMW for hardcore drivers who have owned an STI for the raw powerful driving experience is going to be limited and few STI enthusiasts are going to give up the experience the STI provides for the BMW logo. BMW has more in common with KIA these days with the STINGER GT and the Teluride SUV...bringing competition to the BMW sedans and SUV's
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:28 PM   #27
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because Subaru has been trickling down the parts in the limited editions that they started selling here to the base STI's in new model years. As they did with the Type RA, they will do that with the S209. A fully forged S209 STI is way more durable than a BMW M2C, M3 or basically any of them....the next editions of the base STI's will more likely than not be fully forged whether its a new 2.4 or the 2.5 refreshed. These limited editions serve as test beds for trickle down to the higher production models.

STI's are more of a drivers car now than BMW's so the appeal for a BMW for hardcore drivers who have owned an STI for the raw powerful driving experience is going to be limited and few STI enthusiasts are going to give up the experience the STI provides for the BMW logo. BMW has more in common with KIA these days with the STINGER GT and the Teluride SUV...bringing competition to the BMW sedans and SUV's
And how exactly do you know this considering they haven't been released yet? The next editions will more likely be fully forged? Your wild speculation does not make for anything more than fanboyism. Comparing BMW to Kia? Wow there's a lot of misleading information in a single post.
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Old 05-10-2019, 09:35 PM   #28
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LOL! An STI more of a drivers car than an M2C. WTF is he smoking.
Obviously never driven an M2, or 135i for that matter.

The 1/2 series N54/N55 engines and trannies are freakin bulletproof.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:04 PM   #29
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yes. Considering how much better overall an S209 is compared to the Type R. I see Type R's everyday....nothing special about them...they have a high top speed and handle good. S209 is a beast by comparison....WAY more durable...the Type R platform is limited by the front drive...transmissions are the weak point. Not true with the STI, and the 209 is fully forged now. Well worth the money over a Type R....and a downpipe and tune on the S209 and it will be making 400+ horsepower....and ya then it will be smoking all kinds of BMW's and Hondahs LOL.

Subaru has been trickling down the parts from these limited editions to the Base STI's in new model years...as they did with the Type RA, they will do with the S209...so I'd expect the base STI's to get a lot of the suspension bits and a similar horsepower boost (whether its the same 2.5 or not), and be stomping Hondas and BMW's with the base STI's. For under 40,000.

again the MSRP on base STI's has remained within a margin of only 2,000 from 2004-2019. Look at the history of base MSRP for M3's. You can pretty much just about get 2 brand new Base STI's for the price of one brand new 2019 M3. M3 has lost its identity
What has trickled down from the Type RA?

The M3 and BMW in general is going after the orthodontist and stock broker market, they really don't care about driver's cars, and certainly wouldn't want a 10 year old engine in their show-off-mobile.
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:21 AM   #30
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because Subaru has been trickling down the parts in the limited editions that they started selling here to the base STI's in new model years. As they did with the Type RA, they will do that with the S209. A fully forged S209 STI is way more durable than a BMW M2C, M3 or basically any of them....the next editions of the base STI's will more likely than not be fully forged whether its a new 2.4 or the 2.5 refreshed. These limited editions serve as test beds for trickle down to the higher production models.

STI's are more of a drivers car now than BMW's so the appeal for a BMW for hardcore drivers who have owned an STI for the raw powerful driving experience is going to be limited and few STI enthusiasts are going to give up the experience the STI provides for the BMW logo. BMW has more in common with KIA these days with the STINGER GT and the Teluride SUV...bringing competition to the BMW sedans and SUV's

Um, the M2 is a drivers car and it damn near has the same feel as the E46 M3 and only 1 inch longer. I think you’re confusing “raw” with lack of quality. The STI is a good car, but it’s far from anything amazing.
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yes. Considering how much better overall an S209 is compared to the Type R. I see Type R's everyday....nothing special about them...they have a high top speed and handle good. S209 is a beast by comparison....WAY more durable...the Type R platform is limited by the front drive...transmissions are the weak point. Not true with the STI, and the 209 is fully forged now. Well worth the money over a Type R....and a downpipe and tune on the S209 and it will be making 400+ horsepower....and ya then it will be smoking all kinds of BMW's and Hondahs LOL.

Subaru has been trickling down the parts from these limited editions to the Base STI's in new model years...as they did with the Type RA, they will do with the S209...so I'd expect the base STI's to get a lot of the suspension bits and a similar horsepower boost (whether its the same 2.5 or not), and be stomping Hondas and BMW's with the base STI's. For under 40,000.

again the MSRP on base STI's has remained within a margin of only 2,000 from 2004-2019. Look at the history of base MSRP for M3's. You can pretty much just about get 2 brand new Base STI's for the price of one brand new 2019 M3. M3 has lost its identity
And if you throw a downpipe and tune in the M2C you’re making close to 500hp. What’s your point?
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:58 AM   #32
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This is one of the funniest things I've read in quite a while. Clearly you have no practical exposure to say, a 128i or a 135i, much less something like the M2. Hilarious.

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because Subaru has been trickling down the parts in the limited editions that they started selling here to the base STI's in new model years. As they did with the Type RA, they will do that with the S209. A fully forged S209 STI is way more durable than a BMW M2C, M3 or basically any of them....the next editions of the base STI's will more likely than not be fully forged whether its a new 2.4 or the 2.5 refreshed. These limited editions serve as test beds for trickle down to the higher production models.

STI's are more of a drivers car now than BMW's so the appeal for a BMW for hardcore drivers who have owned an STI for the raw powerful driving experience is going to be limited and few STI enthusiasts are going to give up the experience the STI provides for the BMW logo. BMW has more in common with KIA these days with the STINGER GT and the Teluride SUV...bringing competition to the BMW sedans and SUV's
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You have to admit, it is kind of refreshing to see such a hardcore Subaru fanboy around these parts. It's quite the opposite from the usual "sUbaRU diEd iN tEh miD 2000s, tHeY doN't cArE aBoUt uS aNyMorE!1!!!1" rhetoric that most people subscribe to nowadays
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Old 05-11-2019, 02:54 PM   #34
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You have to admit, it is kind of refreshing to see such a hardcore Subaru fanboy around these parts. It's quite the opposite from the usual "sUbaRU diEd iN tEh miD 2000s, tHeY doN't cArE aBoUt uS aNyMorE!1!!!1" rhetoric that most people subscribe to nowadays
Because the Porsche BMW Mitsubishi Mazda etc etc internet fanboy crowd never got nothing to moan about from bygone eras.
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:16 AM   #35
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I like your Spunk kid... Ahhhhh

Here is a snippet of your A typical Chief BMW Executive. Notice esp. last paragraph how he defines the Ultimate Driving Machine..

BMW: Our customers don’t want a longer warranty

BMW has defended its three-year warranty in Australia and is adamant that luxury buyers are not interested in “the marketing benefit” of extended factory provisions.

Vikram Pawah, the Australia chief executive for BMW, says the recent trend of mainstream marques automatically extending their warranty to five years has had no tangible impact on luxury brands, which still largely employ three-year aftersales provisions.

Speaking at the launch of the new $270,000 BMW 8 Series this month, Pawah implied that only when “my customer starts telling me they’re not happy with the durability of my product – which they are, actually,” would he consider extending BMW’s warranty in Australia.



“What the customers are really looking for is that the product’s durable, it survives a long time and if something goes wrong the manufacturer’s there to support it, which we do,” he said.

“Warranty, whether it’s three years or five years, is simply a matter of whether the product is durable and it’s what the customer is asking for.”

Buying a prestige model doesn’t mean you get a lavish warranty to go with it – in fact, all but a handful provide a three-year warranty (with unlimited kilometres for Audi, Bentley, BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Porsche, and a 100,000km maximum for Jaguar and Maserati).

The exceptions to this are Infiniti, Lexus and Rolls-Royce, which provide a four-year warranty (with unlimited kilometres for Rolls-Royce and a 100,000km limit for Infiniti and Lexus).

Then there’s Tesla, which in April extended its warranty in Australia to eight years or 160,000km in April, while Ferrari’s warranty stands at seven years.



Audi, BMW and Porsche also cover body corrosion for 12 years. Audi also covers the A3 e-tron battery for eight years/160,000km, while BMW covers the i3 and i8 batteries for eight years/100,000km.

Most of the prestige brands (and some mainstream brands) do provide extended factory-backed warranties but you have to pay extra for them, so it pays to check the fine print and shop around.

For BMW, a three-year warranty fits in with fleet and company car buyers, who typically part ways with their vehicles every three years.



“I believe in offering real value to the customer instead of just a marketing benefit,” Vikram said of warranty.

“There’s no plans to [extend our warranty]. It’s not an issue for us, like I said.

“I can see clearly that we are able to offer value to our customers with a durable product that is packaged well, priced well and gives them the confidence of using the product in any environment.

“So I think that’s what I aim at instead of looking at what other people are doing.”
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