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Old 05-08-2019, 02:10 PM   #1
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Default VW begins EV deposits and release schedule

VW's move:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-08/vw-s-tesla-attack-gets-real-as-electric-car-deposits-open

Pretty strong.

Range in three range variants: 205 miles, 260 miles, and 341 miles. No plans for the US......yet
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Old 05-08-2019, 02:45 PM   #2
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Tesla is nervous!
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Old 05-08-2019, 03:15 PM   #3
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Sounds like a sub Model 3 competitor to me. Why would Tesla worry, then send out mailers for a car that costs 3-4x as much?

It's like Ferrari worrying about the new Corvette.
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Old 05-08-2019, 04:11 PM   #4
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soooo... they are going to come to market 2 years AFTER Tesla, with a subpar product at maybe a 10% price discount?
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Old 05-08-2019, 04:22 PM   #5
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Sounds like a sub Model 3 competitor to me. Why would Tesla worry, then send out mailers for a car that costs 3-4x as much?

It's like Ferrari worrying about the new Corvette.
Tesla should be worried, and preparing for competitors to their entire range. Not everyone who wants an electric wants a Tesla. Now that Tesla has shown what people are willing to pay for electric cars, other manufacturers are going to get on board. Now, I haven't done my research, but as far as interior and exterior goes, I'd much rather have an electric A7 than an Tesla S (if the specs and prices were similar).
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This particular vehicle is mostly a Chevy Bolt competitor, not a Model 3 competitor... It's small and cheap (starts at the equivalent of $24K comparing costs of other VW products in EU and US).

The thing is, it's certainly going to have all of the premium level options that VW is known for. That alone is going to start to creep in on Tesla's ground, even if the car itself is in a different category. If someone can "downsize" to this, but get the added niceties and luxuries that high-level VW's are known for... it could sway some buyers. And VW is a German brand, hence Tesla sending a message to German Tesla customers...

The real Model 3 competitor from VW will be the ID Crozz, which I believe is the first VW ID model slated for the US, but not for another yearish.
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The coolest and seemingly more obvious choice for VW to make a statement with would be to make an EV Minibus. Game over. The crowd who wants an EV are minibus people. The chassis is practically made for it as no engine is needed. The vehicle is the perfect square shape for ulimtate practicality for camping and pot smoking

Huge area for batteries. Do not make it fast, but give it a 400+ mile range.

VW EV minibus would be the singular most perfect application of EV tech ever.
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^Due to hit the road in 2022.

Seems easier to me to work out the bugs on a smaller car like the ID3, then jump up to the larger, likely more expensive, vehicles like the IDCrozz and IDBuzz.

I'm interested to see how much the first IDBuzz's are marked up... Considering the used market for the old bus, I'm guessing it'll be substantial.
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The coolest and seemingly more obvious choice for VW to make a statement with would be to make an EV Minibus. Game over. The crowd who wants an EV are minibus people. The chassis is practically made for it as no engine is needed. The vehicle is the perfect square shape for ulimtate practicality for camping and pot smoking

Huge area for batteries. Do not make it fast, but give it a 400+ mile range.

VW EV minibus would be the singular most perfect application of EV tech ever.
Already in the works and likely to be my next car if they Westy it.

ID Buzz

https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news...roduction.html

IIRC Awd, dual motor and over 300 mile range.

If I can plug in and charge at campgrounds, I'm in.
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soooo... they are going to come to market 2 years AFTER Tesla, with a subpar product at maybe a 10% price discount?
And will probably catch fire, dump considerable amounts of toxic something into the environment making it a true VW of all time.
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And will probably catch fire, dump considerable amounts of toxic something into the environment making it a true VW of all time.
I wonder if they'll make all the wires one color again?


"Don't touch the orange cables, those are high voltage"

But they're all orange
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VW and electrical. Hmmmm

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It'll be fine.

They just suck at low voltages. Make that license plate bulb fed by 480v and it will last forever
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I have no interest in the I.D. sans suffix. Or the Crozz.

But dat I.D. Buzz has my attention for my wife's next vehicle. Or maybe 3rd in line after some other shenanigans.
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:19 PM   #15
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Also note that the European range quoted (550 km) is probably on the WLTP cycle. Rough conversion is to divide by 1.11 to get EPA range.

https://insideevs.com/features/34323...epa-wltp-nedc/

What matters more than range is a fast charging network, anyway, and Tesla's still the leader there.
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Already in the works and likely to be my next car if they Westy it.

ID Buzz

https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news...roduction.html

IIRC Awd, dual motor and over 300 mile range.

If I can plug in and charge at campgrounds, I'm in.
I totally get that.. I would even be tempted.. honestly a minivan EV for some illogical reason just makes sense to me.
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I think the IDBuzz could be a big win for VW and a huge jump into the EV space, much like the beetle when it was re-introduced.
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I would love to see a Beetle return with a rear EV layout.
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I totally get that.. I would even be tempted.. honestly a minivan EV for some illogical reason just makes sense to me.
Still blows my mind that ****ing Chrysler, beat Toyota to a hybrid minivan.
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I totally get that.. I would even be tempted.. honestly a minivan EV for some illogical reason just makes sense to me.
I'm kinda with you on this one; an ev microbus/minivan makes more sense than an ICE minivan - it won't be as rolly-polly or front heavy as an ICE van is, it could actually handle well and be balanced. The weight of an EV is primarily the batteries, followed by the motor(s) which are all mounted low, so making what is essentially a tall body hatchback/wagon yields massive cargo and people capacity, with minimal ill-affects from the larger body.

Crap, I think I just sold myself on a mini-van; would have to be RWD or rear-biased AWD with defeatable nannies.
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If the Microbus was coming out this year or at the latest early next year I'd wait and get one. It's just taking them too long for me.

Probably for the best, they will have ADM to begin with and then can work out the bugs over a few years.
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If the Microbus was coming out this year or at the latest early next year I'd wait and get one. It's just taking them too long for me.

Probably for the best, they will have ADM to begin with and then can work out the bugs over a few years.
I can definitely see the microbus have a decent ADM and selling damn fast. California, specifically SoCal will get whored out with them pretty quick if they meet demand. Long term I see it being like the Bug and dying off in sales fairly quickly, maybe 3-5 years.
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Which times about perfectly for me. Snag a new one that's been sitting with lot rot. I'll take it in orange with a tartan interior.
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I can definitely see the microbus have a decent ADM and selling damn fast. California, specifically SoCal will get whored out with them pretty quick if they meet demand. Long term I see it being like the Bug and dying off in sales fairly quickly, maybe 3-5 years.
Agreed I think it will be very popular at first although it will be the first BEV mini-van so perhaps a bit more staying power. The thing it has going for it is the CUV craze and while its a mini-van it doesn't carry the traditional mini-van stigma; at least I don't get that feeling from the reactions it's gotten on the show circuit.
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exactly and since all EV can be made to handle pretty similiarly it is all just code and torque vectoring. NO special anything needed. It could be the best minibus ever made. Full creative freedom in designig the inside and out. Looks to be a fun car. Hope they sell a bunch, as it is the perfect application.
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