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Old 10-03-2019, 02:49 AM   #376
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C8.R bodykit needs to make it to the street car ASAP.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:27 AM   #377
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^ you mean this?

I’ve been saying since day 1 - we need the Z06 trim to really turn heads even more.

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Old 10-03-2019, 09:45 AM   #378
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Sounded like she wanted to rev another 3K RPM's in the noise video.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:59 AM   #379
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Sounded like she wanted to rev another 3K RPM's in the noise video.
Short shifting the whole time, unless of course he was checking fuel economy?
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:26 AM   #380
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Toyota is making the opposite mistake with the Supra. Putting a measly 335 hp motor in what is supposed to be a quintessential sports car. I mean... the Ford Taurus SHO has 365, as does the Kia Stinger for crying out loud. It’s already 50k base. Why not throw another 5-10 on the cost and make it 400+?
It's $13k less than its twin and the same price as the 4cyl version and $18k more than a TRD 86. It seems to be priced in a good place. While I agree that it should have more power, that is quite easy to attain if the warranty isn't a concern. But, it's performance throws it in the middle of the pack of the competition: 718, Camaro 2SS, F-Type, GT350, M2 Competition, SLC 43, TTRS and Z4 M40i.

I speculate that Toyota has to play the BMW hierarchy game and the current spec cannot have more power as that would encroach on M sales. It would make sense that a Z4M is in the works and a power bump would also come to the Surpa.
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:48 AM   #381
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It's $13k less than its twin and the same price as the 4cyl version and $18k more than a TRD 86. It seems to be priced in a good place.
TRD 86 is a horrible absolute bottom barrel value, though, so that's not working in it's favor. Most of the "premium" "luxury" whatever cars in this price range are as well.

As for price, are we at the point where 20% is basically nothing when considering cars now? I've always found the car market as extremely price elastic, but maybe ez loan money has changed that?


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A nostalgia car like the supra with as big a fanboy following as it has and the legendary reputation of "The Flamboyant and the Furious" should not be middle of the pack. Unless they're simply relying on a name to move units and just trying to make a quick buck instead of making a car deserving of the name.

I'm sure BMW hierarchy has something to do with it. Can't have a japanese halo car beating out their precious M car like they had to endure all 90s.

When will we get back to japanese sports cars being what they were: cheaper, better performing, more reliable, lighter and smaller versions of their competition for less money? I suppose the years of "6 sigma" being a unique competitive advantage is also gone with globalization of car making, so it's probably never returning

To that end: BRING ON THE VETTE BABY! 'Murica killin it right now.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:17 PM   #382
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TRD 86 is a horrible absolute bottom barrel value, though, so that's not working in it's favor. Most of the "premium" "luxury" whatever cars in this price range are as well.

As for price, are we at the point where 20% is basically nothing when considering cars now? I've always found the car market as extremely price elastic, but maybe ez loan money has changed that?



A nostalgia car like the supra with as big a fanboy following as it has and the legendary reputation of "The Flamboyant and the Furious" should not be middle of the pack. Unless they're simply relying on a name to move units and just trying to make a quick buck instead of making a car deserving of the name.

I'm sure BMW hierarchy has something to do with it. Can't have a japanese halo car beating out their precious M car like they had to endure all 90s.

When will we get back to japanese sports cars being what they were: cheaper, better performing, more reliable, lighter and smaller versions of their competition for less money? I suppose the years of "6 sigma" being a unique competitive advantage is also gone with globalization of car making, so it's probably never returning

To that end: BRING ON THE VETTE BABY! 'Murica killin it right now.
The Supra was a dyno and 1/4 queen. On the track, it was a pretty ****ty car. BMW M series cars have typically been about balance, not just power. Not exactly a fair comparison IMO.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:34 PM   #383
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So no noise about the Convertible?



Rumor has it that it has enough rollover protection to run HPDEs
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:42 PM   #384
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Never understood it. The regular one comes with T tops.
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Old 10-03-2019, 03:59 PM   #385
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But this one drops the roof FOR you! And presumably the rear glass, etc. Bit more open air feel...but I agree, seems rather redundant in this form factor.
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:22 PM   #386
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Seems like manual targa vs auto targa.
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:27 PM   #387
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I'm normally not a convertible fan, But this looks really nice. I really like how they have the buttresses, or whatever you call those behind the driver's head. The normal C8 can't drop the rear glass IIRC, and some are worried that it will create a lot of buffeting. This makes a lot more sense.

The C8.R looks a lot better than the street car too.

I really can't wait to see what they do with the Z06 and ZR1. I hope they try to include some of the aero elements from the C8.R on those models.
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Old 10-03-2019, 05:07 PM   #388
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Rumor has it that it has enough rollover protection to run HPDEs
The General can make a an ignition switch that kills people. Lets not get too excited about any of their safety equipment just yet.
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Old 10-03-2019, 05:21 PM   #389
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Never understood it. The regular one comes with T tops.

...and IIRC, the last model to not have a removable top was the C5 Z06 (I’m probably wrong).

If it’s going to be a sports car, make it so...since they have the retractable roof as well.

It’s like...”You can remove the roof yourself and stow it. Or buy the convertible model and push a button.”

I had a ‘91 ZR-1, and the structural rigidity was not good with the roof off. Flex city over any minor bump or pothole.

What the hell, since I’m in a grumpy mood… Most people around here in sunny Southern California that have convertibles, never have their tops down anyways.
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Old 10-03-2019, 05:52 PM   #390
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When will we get back to japanese sports cars being what they were: cheaper, better performing, more reliable, lighter and smaller versions of their competition for less money?
Bring back what Japanese sports coupes actually were, or the bastardized version of what people think they were. Because those are two very different things.

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Old 10-03-2019, 07:26 PM   #391
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The General can make a an ignition switch that kills people. Lets not get too excited about any of their safety equipment just yet.
Well they also were the first with air bags, the safety dash, seat belts across the entire line, etc.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:45 PM   #392
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Once GM moved to mid engine geometry the difference in the way the convertible vs the removable top became less drastic. Compare the two versions of the C7 as an example. Notice how more “convertible” the C7 looks over the C8. Good thing for C8 convertible owners unlike C7 convertible owners is that there is now no loss of cargo space should you opt for a convertible

I love my removable top and had no desire for a proper convertible. I like the look of the removable over the convertible when both are deployed.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:48 PM   #393
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if that doesn't display for you, Matt Farah says the C8 pumps fake engine noise through the speakers.
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if that doesn't display for you, Matt Farah says the C8 pumps fake engine noise through the speakers.
So do all the M cars (actual M not some M235i). I just ordered a Bluetooth obd adapter so I can code out the sound on my M2. If you didn’t know it was being piped through, you honestly wouldn’t be able to tell. I’m sure you’ll be able to code it out and I bet the dealers can do it for you.

It’s no where near the sound level you’re probably thinking, it’s pretty faint but still, it’s dumb and just adds noise to the cabin.
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Bring back what Japanese sports coupes actually were, or the bastardized version of what people think they were. Because those are two very different things.
I want a supra, 300zx, rx7, skyline, nsx, eclipse, evo, sti that followed the same trend as a normal pedestrian car or a mustang.

The japanese cars of the 90s before they priced themselves out of the market due to exchange rates were more reliable, far better quality, far more performant, and far better at accepting mods reliably than any other sports car.

The americans were laughable.
The germans were expensive and issue prone.

America took japan's spot and japan stopped making real sports cars, favoring strictly appliances.

I just don't like america's "bigger is better!" mantra. Bigger brakes, bigger wheels, bigger tires are all well and good for numbers and can compensate for weight, but the feel just isn't the same, and the maintenance is way more expensive.

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If looks could kill...





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This is the best vette ever made. I am kind of proud of GM for making it. No that was not easy for me to say. LOLOL
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So do all the M cars (actual M not some M235i).
So does the Golf R, Focus RS, and even Subaru has their tube or whatever it is on the STi to pipe in sound to the cabin. It's a circle jerk.
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All I can say is that when I switch the NPP exhaust into Track mode and all the pipes open up, it’s heaven. I don’t believe there’s anything piped into the cockpit of the Z06. Maybe I’m wrong. But all I hear is huge, delicious gobs of cammed out, pissed off at the world, see you bitches in 1320 growl! ***129322;***129321;
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All I can say is that when I switch the NPP exhaust into Track mode and all the pipes open up, it’s heaven. I don’t believe there’s anything piped into the cockpit of the Z06. Maybe I’m wrong. But all I hear is huge, delicious gobs of cammed out, pissed off at the world, see you bitches in 1320 growl! ***129322;***129321;
My neighbor has one and it's scary loud. Another neighbor has an STI with nameless deletes...just not the same ya know.
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