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Old 02-16-2018, 06:37 PM   #76
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Fake news. also, Levorg 2.0T MT6 exists where?
in other related not-so-fake news, jdm wrx is cvt only but the US gets a MT6.
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:40 PM   #77
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in other related not-so-fake news, jdm wrx is cvt only but the US gets a MT6.
Levorg is MT6 in zero markets. WRX has a manual in other markets outside of Japan.
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:43 PM   #78
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Levorg is MT6 in zero markets. WRX has a manual in other markets outside of Japan.
And the point is?There's evidence pointing to the fact that Subaru may be willing to provide the US with alternate transmission solutions because the market here demands it.

If a 2.0 levorg were to sell here, it'd need to be in both mt and cvt forms in order to catch all of the potential buyers, otherwise it'd be even more of a stupid niche car that makes no sense than it already is. Perhaps no MT is why SOA rejected it? Or, perhaps not.

It's all conjecture. Both your statement and mine.
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:54 PM   #79
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And the point is?There's evidence pointing to the fact that Subaru may be willing to provide the US with alternate transmission solutions because the market here demands it.

If a 2.0 levorg were to sell here, it'd need to be in both mt and cvt forms in order to catch all of the potential buyers, otherwise it'd be even more of a stupid niche car that makes no sense than it already is. Perhaps no MT is why SOA rejected it? Or, perhaps not.

It's all conjecture. Both your statement and mine.
Interesting thought. If Japan said/says no manual, then that would be worst than wagon. Strike 2. hmm.
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Fake news. also, Levorg 2.0T MT6 exists where?
Fake news exists in your own mind. I can give you the salesmanís name and dealer he works at. Heís not a bsíer and warned me in advance of the visit. Youíre just a fanboi who doesnít like the truth.

Who said a manual transmission exists? You are seeing things now, maybe try some meds. We all know it can be done easily as it has the same g damn motor as the WRX. Man you are an absolute mental case as it pertains to Subaru. Youíve got Justy beat and thatís no small feat. Do you have Subaru pajamas with footsies?
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:13 PM   #81
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Interesting thought. If Japan said/says no manual, then that would be worst than wagon. Strike 2. hmm.
Yeah... not sure why that thought never crossed my mind until now either. Trans choice would certainly impact SOA's decision. We all know how easily could drop a manual in there, but if Subaru didn't want to because they wanted it to keep it's more "premium" status, maybe SOA knew it'd be DOA if they couldn't really market it as a WRX? Or maybe it was that it'd cannibalize some sales of the likely more profitable FXT?

Whatever reason that SOA rejected the last Tourer concept, I hope that Subaru changed the design enough such that they don't have to reject this one.
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Old 02-17-2018, 04:01 AM   #82
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Yeah... not sure why that thought never crossed my mind until now either. Trans choice would certainly impact SOA's decision. We all know how easily could drop a manual in there, but if Subaru didn't want to because they wanted it to keep it's more "premium" status, maybe SOA knew it'd be DOA if they couldn't really market it as a WRX? Or maybe it was that it'd cannibalize some sales of the likely more profitable FXT?

Whatever reason that SOA rejected the last Tourer concept, I hope that Subaru changed the design enough such that they don't have to reject this one.
Soon Subaru will be all CVT. Like it or not. If you want to be the safest car make with zero road kills like they want to be there is no other option.
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Soon Subaru will be all CVT. Like it or not. If you want to be the safest car make with zero road kills like they want to be there is no other option.
That writing has been on the wall so long it has etched the stone.

The continuing threads, within the threads, pursuing the vanishing manual transmission only serve to highlight their futile dreams of yesterday.

Today's Subaru CVT vehicles are far safer, more fuel efficient, better handling, and yes, faster, than most muscle cars of yesterday.

Can't live without a manual gearbox? Ride a motorcycle. All the engagement and adrenaline you can handle... and more.
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Old 02-17-2018, 09:31 AM   #84
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That writing has been on the wall so long it has etched the stone.

The continuing threads, within the threads, pursuing the vanishing manual transmission only serve to highlight their futile dreams of yesterday.

Today's Subaru CVT vehicles are far safer, more fuel efficient, better handling, and yes, faster, than most muscle cars of yesterday.

Can't live without a manual gearbox? Ride a motorcycle. All the engagement and adrenaline you can handle... and more.
however as long as the close competition still has manual tranny for their sports cars, so will subaru for the time being. Now the mainstream subaru products dont really need the manual tranny. But interest in the manual in the US has not died off so much that wont offer it here yet. Both the wrx and STI are sports cars that deserve the manual. If STI is looking to expand more in the US, then they will see the need to have manual transmissions for their products.
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That writing has been on the wall so long it has etched the stone.

The continuing threads, within the threads, pursuing the vanishing manual transmission only serve to highlight their futile dreams of yesterday.

Today's Subaru CVT vehicles are far safer, more fuel efficient, better handling, and yes, faster, than most muscle cars of yesterday.

Can't live without a manual gearbox? Ride a motorcycle. All the engagement and adrenaline you can handle... and more.
I mean a Toyota Camry is all of the things you described in comparison to most muscle cars of yesterday. The muscle cars of today though, different story.

Unless Subaru has been developing some sort of super CVT for the next generation of sporty cars they still aren't capable of matching something with real gears in terms of power handling.
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I mean a Toyota Camry is all of the things you described in comparison to most muscle cars of yesterday. The muscle cars of today though, different story.

Unless Subaru has been developing some sort of super CVT for the next generation of sporty cars they still aren't capable of matching something with real gears in terms of power handling.
I thought it was apparent that "super CVT" is already here... "Ascent."

I'd think it in Subaru's best interests to market a CVT STi... but that's just me.

I also think Subaru's "muscle" cars do just fine against those from far deeper pockets... although I personally believe the STi is the best of them all. And balancing my life with WRXs and STi I would choose a CVT STi over the 6MT... because I now know the differences. There are enough others like me that would do the same. The success of the CVT WRX and FXT proves that.

Bump the FA24 further up its apparently strong potentials for torque and horsepower.. Motor done. Probably is.

Only thing the HTCVT needs over what's already there is the ability to handle that engine. I think that CVT exists... the one in the Ascent, or one like it, will prove that.

Put that in the Tourer Concept and done. EyeSight. Power. Handling. Comfortable touring car, as good as it gets.
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That's it. Just couldn't remember specifically. I had asked a couple times after that and couldn't even get the question acknowledged. I bet it was because of this encounter...
I thought I recalled something a little more traceable said (interview?) by SOA that they were basically maxed out on new model introductions and simply didn’t have the bandwidth to launch another. It was more likely conjecture by folks here, but for sure the most plausible thing I can think of. Add to that SOA’s likely desire to offer an MT driving extra development back in japan and you have an easy no-deal.

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We all know how easily could drop a manual in there, but if Subaru didn't want to because they wanted it to keep it's more "premium" status, maybe SOA knew it'd be DOA if they couldn't really market it as a WRX? Or maybe it was that it'd cannibalize some sales of the likely more profitable FXT?
I like to think that SOA was smart enough to see that maintaining the premium/upmarket flavor of the Levorg and offering CVT only would doom the hell out of it. There is a giant sea of well priced SUVs for it to lose miserably to in the market. It would only do well as a WRX type thing, in my opinion.

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I thought it was apparent that "super CVT" is already here... "Ascent."

I'd think it in Subaru's best interests to market a CVT STi... but that's just me.

I also think Subaru's "muscle" cars do just fine against those from far deeper pockets... although I personally believe the STi is the best of them all. And balancing my life with WRXs and STi I would choose a CVT STi over the 6MT... because I now know the differences. There are enough others like me that would do the same. The success of the CVT WRX and FXT proves that.

Bump the FA24 further up its apparently strong potentials for torque and horsepower.. Motor done. Probably is.

Only thing the HTCVT needs over what's already there is the ability to handle that engine. I think that CVT exists... the one in the Ascent, or one like it, will prove that.

Put that in the Tourer Concept and done. EyeSight. Power. Handling. Comfortable touring car, as good as it gets.
What's apparent is that the CVT in the Ascent is an unknown entity. I wouldn't think twice about running 500whp and just as much torque through the gear box in my STI because people regularly do so already and have for quite a while.

It's hard to take this second statement seriously. DCT, that makes sense. CVT....

Let's not put anything Subaru turns out in the muscle car category, that's just asking for the Subaru to get a whomping.

Not sure what you're basing your assessment of the FA24 off of. Again it's a new unproven piece. We all hope it's strong and good for well more than it's putting out in factory form, but no one really knows.
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why do people only associate manual with going fast? Manual comes in handy in many many conditions not just for fun fast cars....I live out here in Washington and I drive offroad and go up mountains a lot.. Just today I got my Fozz in a sketchy situation in the snow. I need CONTROL! I need control for going up hill as well as descending, I need control when I need certain throttle etc...Manuals are necessary in my humble opinion.

the last automatic I drove was a rental back in November and it was fitted with paddle shifters but of course was crap and was the only way I could control even passing on the highway because the transmission was all dumb about the gears and took like a year to give me the power I needed right when I wanted it.

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Manuals will persist because people like them, and people like them because they are fun. That is all need be said.
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Manuals will persist because people like them, and people like them because they are fun. That is all need be said.
You must be new here, either you or me is in for an earful from the CVT enthusiast. Yes, enthusiast, singular.
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You must be new here, either you or me is in for an earful from the CVT enthusiast. Yes, enthusiast, singular.
You can put an "s" on there. I am sold on them also. Well, as it is on the WRX anyway. Now, I won't be going and trying to convince people it's the "best" thing out there cause it does need some work; but, I am grin ear to ear each time I get to drive one in anger.

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You can put an "s" on there. I am sold on them also. Well, as it is on the WRX anyway. Now, I won't be going and trying to convince people it's the "best" thing out there cause it does need some work; but, I am grin ear to ear each time I get to drive one in anger.
Did you buy one?
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Did you buy one?

No. Wish I could. Just training and occasionally get to drive an owners car. I should be ready for a new one by the time the STI gets a new motor.
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Now I don't remember where I read it but I remember reading somewhere when I was shopping for a Subaru that the HTCVT is rated for around 700 WHP and if I remember correctly it could handle more stock then the manual could. Personally I can't stand them because they don't deliver the power when I want it BUT it is a fact that they can handle the power I just think it does a piss power job controlling it. If the new STI comes out with one I may give it a chance though due to safety aspects.
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Now I don't remember where I read it but I remember reading somewhere when I was shopping for a Subaru that the HTCVT is rated for around 700 WHP and if I remember correctly it could handle more stock then the manual could. Personally I can't stand them because they don't deliver the power when I want it BUT it is a fact that they can handle the power I just think it does a piss power job controlling it. If the new STI comes out with one I may give it a chance though due to safety aspects.
Ummm.......no


And if you know how to manipulate the system, you can access the power just as quick or quicker than a manual. While never taking your hands off the steering wheel. Besides the "fun" factor, The only 2 things I see the CVT needing IS the ability to cool itself while playing and the ability to "launch".
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Ummm.......no


And if you know how to manipulate the system, you can access the power just as quick or quicker than a manual. While never taking your hands off the steering wheel. Besides the "fun" factor, The only 2 things I see the CVT needing IS the ability to cool itself while playing and the ability to "launch".
I don't know about the Cooling didn't know there was an issue with it and agree with the ability to launch problem I think they should have a launch feature or something along those lines. And it is convenient to not have to manually shift all the time also what was the no towards.
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No. Wish I could. Just training and occasionally get to drive an owners car. I should be ready for a new one by the time the STI gets a new motor.
So you would pay, money, for an STI with a CVT? I get that manuals are dying, and am okay with something like a DCT for an STI. CVT? Not as I see things now. Subaru would have to really make this CVT something magical for me to even go give it a test drive. I fairly imagine that a large percentage of the target demographic for the STI feels the same way. I could see it being the laughing stock of the segment.
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So you would pay, money, for an STI with a CVT? I get that manuals are dying, and am okay with something like a DCT for an STI. CVT? Not as I see things now. Subaru would have to really make this CVT something magical for me to even go give it a test drive. I fairly imagine that a large percentage of the target demographic for the STI feels the same way. I could see it being the laughing stock of the segment.
Now a DCT I could fully get behind. Sad it will never happen.
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It shouldn't be totally out of the realm of possibility. VW has one in the Golf R, and it's only ringing in at the low $40K's.
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