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Old 02-21-2005, 07:07 PM   #1
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Default Version 7 RA vs. Version 6 Type R

I'm going to do an engine swap this summer, and I was orginally set on getting a v.7 RA engine, but I have recently read some posts about the v.6 Type R, and it seems like it might be the better engine. However, I don't know very much about it. From what I've read, it seems to have very aggressive cams and forged internals, but this is all that I can seem to find. What are your opinions on the v.6 Type R? What type of power does it usually make? Anything else that I might be interested in knowing? Thanks.

I have tried searching, but it's difficult because you can't search for a single number, and searching for "Type R" doesn't seem to yield many useful results.
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Old 02-21-2005, 07:22 PM   #2
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The ver 7 RA is a slightly better engine, it has redesigned rods and avcs. The ver 6 R/RA is a very capable engine too. what car is it going in? makes more sense to put a ver 7 RA in a 2002+ suby. Good luck finding a ver 6 R/RA,, very rare!
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Old 02-21-2005, 07:27 PM   #3
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It's going in a '00 2.5RS. Thanks for the input. I thought the v.7 might be slightly better because it is newer, but, of course, newer does not always mean that it is better.
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Old 02-21-2005, 09:06 PM   #4
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Where do you find the version 6 engines? Or even version 5? All I seem to find are 7 and 8's.
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Old 02-22-2005, 12:51 AM   #5
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here is a website for v4,5,6 engines in stock too
http://www.japanmotorimport.com/?src=overture
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Old 02-22-2005, 02:19 PM   #6
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6 has no avcs the 7 does
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Old 02-22-2005, 03:12 PM   #7
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Ver 7 also has much more tuning opertunities as all the new age WRX engine share similar ECU (well besides the USDM STi but it still has a good market)

Ver7 can use UTEC, Ecutek reflashes and I'm assuming any of the other plug and pay options for WRX engine management, although the AVCS working probably seems like somewhat of an issue with some of the standalones.

I believe you can have the 99-00 WRX/STi ecus reflashed with Ecutek but I don't believe many if any US tuners have the dongle to flash those licenses.

This is one of the main reasons I wanted to go with Ver8 myself. That and having a engine that is nearly brand me again is nice

In retrospec I probably would have been just as happy with a Ver6 motor and could have gotten the transmission aswell.

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Old 02-23-2005, 10:21 AM   #8
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Type R = 2 door STi. Some of them are V5/6 and even fewer are RA's. Don't let little designations like that fool you. You will be hard pressed to find an engine like that and more than likely it will be beat to ****. You are far better off going with a V7 or a USDM WRX engine mated to the stock RS transmission if you are on a budget. On either of these swaps you are looking at a lot of wiring to make the car run.

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Old 02-23-2005, 01:05 PM   #9
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Type R = 2 door STi. Some of them are V5/6 and even fewer are RA's. Don't let little designations like that fool you. You will be hard pressed to find an engine like that and more than likely it will be beat to ****. You are far better off going with a V7 or a USDM WRX engine mated to the stock RS transmission if you are on a budget. On either of these swaps you are looking at a lot of wiring to make the car run.

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This has been gone over many times, the type R and RA are the same power train just different body style. Type R does not =2 door STi, there are 2 door STi with out the type R designation. I would get a Ver 5/6 R/RA over a ver 7 anyday, alot of ver 7 are not JDM and junk. Of course the Ver 7 RA is a different story.
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:14 PM   #10
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The Type R is not a RA though as the RA is a light weight model that is stripped down for use in racing, no A/C, no radio. Many of these cars were bought by people who immediately removed the rest of the interior and put in a roll cage. The Type ARRRRRR has the RA drivetrain but has a nice interior and all the creature comforts of a nice car.

These links should enlighten you a little more.
http://www.iwoc.co.uk/jpstir.html
http://www.northursalia.com/t...y/history.html
http://www.northursalia.com/d...sti6/sti6.html
http://www.northursalia.com/d...sti5/sti5.html

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Old 02-23-2005, 05:51 PM   #11
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The Type R is not a RA though as the RA is a light weight model that is stripped down for use in racing, no A/C, no radio. Many of these cars were bought by people who immediately removed the rest of the interior and put in a roll cage. The Type ARRRRRR has the RA drivetrain but has a nice interior and all the creature comforts of a nice car.

These links should enlighten you a little more.
http://www.iwoc.co.uk/jpstir.html
http://www.northursalia.com/t...y/history.html
http://www.northursalia.com/d...sti6/sti6.html
http://www.northursalia.com/d...sti5/sti5.html

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You are still confused. The wrx RA(NON STi) is light weight without AC/ Radio. I am talking about STi cars, the only cars worth talking about. The MY98/00 wrx RA has what I consider a throw away engine. This car was made to race and the first thing a team did was pull the engine and put in their built engine. Now the Ver 5/6 STi Type R and RA have the same options, both have AC and Radio. The only difference are the doors!!
I have every bit of the information on those links and more you sent memorized so trust me I am talking from knowledge.
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Old 02-23-2005, 06:17 PM   #12
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You are still confused. The wrx RA(NON STi) is light weight without AC/ Radio.
I am sorry an RA will easily walk an STi and yes it has no comforts!!!

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I am talking about STi cars, the only cars worth talking about.
Hmm do you know anything about Subaru amazing that the WRXs were just as stout and cheaper than the STi. Saying the STi is the only one worth talking about is ignorant.

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The MY98/00 wrx RA has what I consider a throw away engine. This car was made to race and the first thing a team did was pull the engine and put in their built engine. Now the Ver 5/6 STi Type R and RA have the same options, both have AC and Radio. The only difference are the doors!!
I have every bit of the information on those links and more you sent memorized so trust me I am talking from knowledge.
TO bad half the information is wrong I have the dealer books on those cars hell I was in Japan when they were released. The RA never had the option of A/C period trust me I asked. A throw away engine hell the JDM 205 is twice the engine the USDM is. Besides the fact there are more than a few around pushing on 400ps I don't think they are that disposable. Finally saying the only difference were the doors roflmfao. You my friend are not the information god you think you are. Try again and don't post some UK link half of them got their information from the used cars off the grey market they bought. Me well I have been in Japan since 96 when the Ver III came out. And have spent more time studying the car than looking at its doors. It might amaze you to know that most WRXs prior to the Neon look are alot faster than the STi!!! Here let me let you in on a little secret the rarest Subaru is not the 201, 202, 203 or 22B I suggest looking for version 6 STi seats but instead of them having the red outline they have Blue find the car they came attached to!!!

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Old 02-23-2005, 08:02 PM   #13
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I am sorry an RA will easily walk an STi and yes it has no comforts!!!



Hmm do you know anything about Subaru amazing that the WRXs were just as stout and cheaper than the STi. Saying the STi is the only one worth talking about is ignorant.



TO bad half the information is wrong I have the dealer books on those cars hell I was in Japan when they were released. The RA never had the option of A/C period trust me I asked. A throw away engine hell the JDM 205 is twice the engine the USDM is. Besides the fact there are more than a few around pushing on 400ps I don't think they are that disposable. It might amaze you to know that most WRXs prior to the Neon look are alot faster than the STi!!!
yeah, your mostly right, but the 205 isnt better compared to the 207. the reason for the designation change between the STi and regular WRX in the V5 and up was because the regular WRX motors below the V5 could be easily caught up to the STi with a larger turbo. the 20g and 20k blocks were the same for the STi version and the WRX. the 205 is weaker than the 207. and in all technicality, the JDM 205 is only 1.1 times the engine that the USDM is.
250/227=1.108 but it does have better response and torque.
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Old 02-23-2005, 09:11 PM   #14
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I wanted to post something rude but the last part with the math involved had me rolling for 15 minutes. Good post man very good response!!!
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Old 02-23-2005, 11:50 PM   #15
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I am sorry an RA will easily walk an STi and yes it has no comforts!!!



Hmm do you know anything about Subaru amazing that the WRXs were just as stout and cheaper than the STi. Saying the STi is the only one worth talking about is ignorant.



TO bad half the information is wrong I have the dealer books on those cars hell I was in Japan when they were released. The RA never had the option of A/C period trust me I asked. A throw away engine hell the JDM 205 is twice the engine the USDM is. Besides the fact there are more than a few around pushing on 400ps I don't think they are that disposable. Finally saying the only difference were the doors roflmfao. You my friend are not the information god you think you are. Try again and don't post some UK link half of them got their information from the used cars off the grey market they bought. Me well I have been in Japan since 96 when the Ver III came out. And have spent more time studying the car than looking at its doors. It might amaze you to know that most WRXs prior to the Neon look are alot faster than the STi!!! Here let me let you in on a little secret the rarest Subaru is not the 201, 202, 203 or 22B I suggest looking for version 6 STi seats but instead of them having the red outline they have Blue find the car they came attached to!!!
Duo are you addressing me or Zephyr250?? I never posted any links. Do you honestly think a ej205 wrx RA will walk a EJ207 STi type R/ RA.....if so you are very wrong. 90% of the STi power comes from a very aggressive ECU tune not to mention a very aggressive cam profile and yes large port heads too. The standard wrx RA has none of these goodies. If you dont believe me check out the dynos on scoobynet....thats shows plain as day what cars make more HP. And if you think the Ver 6 wrx STi type RA doesnt have AC you are so very wrong. keep reading

I never compared the jdm EJ205 to a usdm engine and i dont know why you are arguing because I agree. I compared the JDM EJ205 to a EJ207 STi and there is no arguing the EJ207 is a better engine. Its well known that the wrx RA was made to race, first thing they do is pull the engine, most likely they will put in a early closed deck engine with strong internals, hence me calling it a throw away engine. Dont get me wrong its still a good engine.

Yes I have read the stories about the standard wrx surprising some STi, but not Type R/RA and not when the wrx is stock.

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Finally saying the only difference were the doors roflmfao
So all mighty knowing Japan man please do tell me the differences between a Ver 6 STi Type R and a Ver 6 STi Type RA.

Remember I am talking about STi Type R and RA..... NOT THE STANDARD WRX RA. There is a big difference.

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The RA never had the option of A/C period trust me I asked
OH REALLY

Here is a link to a ver 3 STi type RA and what do you know it has AC http://www.gr8wheels.com/catalog/ite...97/1027900.htm

And here are a few more RA's with AC just for good measures
http://www.gr8wheels.com/catalog/item/690097/688007.htm
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/509933
http://www.gr8wheels.citymax.com/cat...97/1027828.htm
Check out UK ebay...pretty sweet lots of RA's with AC some even jdm imports
http://motors.listings.ebay.co.uk/Ca...istingItemList

You better have another look at those dealer books before you run your mouth. And who gives a **** about seats this is a technical forum.

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Old 02-23-2005, 11:58 PM   #16
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So all mighty knowing Japan man please do tell me the differences between a Ver 6 STi Type R and a Ver 6 STi Type RA.
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Hurley,
I wanted to post something rude but the last part with the math involved had me rolling for 15 minutes. Good post man very good response!!!
hey man, anytime. i mean, its the internet a.k.a. Int3rw00b, gatta have some humor right?
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Old 02-24-2005, 08:22 AM   #19
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Mix-up here there are differences between the STi RA and the WRX RA one being the WRX did not have the nice things the STi did. As far as performance they were almost the same with the WRX having the edge due to it being lighter. On a final note the WRX RA early models with EJ20G had a silver intercooler not black and water spray and DCCD where as the STi did not!! If you don't believe me I am sure when the thaw comes and the nice little Ver 6 Type R STi runs the Ver 2 WRX RA and loses I can post a video they have ran before both of them having a boost controller and exhaust.

Also the ECU was interchangleable and in most occasions the WRX had a better turbo.

edited for me being a moron.

Steve sorry if I came off wrong but don't call me a fool thats just mean

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Edited that duo, glad we are on the same page now I hope that guy can drive that Ver 6 type R cause with those mods its an easy low 12 sec car. I just dont see those numbers with a WRX RA.
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Old 02-28-2005, 10:10 PM   #21
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Hey man its the tranny in the version 2s. I have never seen a WRX tranny take so much abuse in my life, this kid drops the clutch like its nothing. I am amazed at how stout this tranny has been!!!
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