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Old 05-15-2019, 09:33 PM   #26
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To me the Rogue and the last CRV had the same issues. Making a bigger and heavier Civic/Sentra makes a lousy vehicle.
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lolz... I hear a lot of the same from many current/previous Rogue owners. What you gonna get next?
A couple months ago we got my wife a 2011 WRX premium. Now that she's driving that I'm driving the rogue til we need to turn it in on Saturday.

My DD is a cobalt ss, and then I have my STi
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:53 AM   #28
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Brand loyalty?
My friend has driven nothing but Altimas for the past twenty years.
Hes on his third one now.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:03 AM   #29
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The ‘15 SexTerra Pro4X was the last year of its kind. I still love it, it’s been 100% problem-free. It’s the only Nissan I’d touch besides the GT-R.
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Wife bought a used 08 rogue back in 2010ish and it was pretty reliable other than replacing both front Axles. Anyway, sold it to a family member a couple of years ago at around 110k miles. Was just notified it needs a new transmission at 140k. Will definitely be selling my wife's 2013 rogue at around 100k now.

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Old 05-16-2019, 08:56 AM   #31
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I've tried to steer my niece away from Nissan. I've done a good job. Unfortunately her new husband came prepackaged with an Altima. I do like him, though, so I can deal.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:29 AM   #32
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Wife bought a used 08 rogue back in 2010ish and if was pretty reliable other than replacing both front Axles. Anyway, sold it to a family member a couple of years ago at around 110k miles. Was just notified it needs a new transmission at 140k. Will definitely be selling my wife's 2013 rogue at around 100k now.
Having owned cars from a few manufacturers past the 100k mark, pretty much once you crack the 10y or 100k point it becomes a "what will I be fixing/have fixed this weekend" situation.

Granted, some items, like engines and manual or torque converted autos won't necessarily need full replacement, but clutches, master and slave cylinders, engine accessories, head gaskets, valve cover gaskets, oil pan gaskets, and other expensive/difficult jobs are going to happen. CVTs are a whole other issue, I don't believe they've been mainstream long enough to predict they will last much longer than 100k, and as far as I know, they are mostly not repairable; you swap the entire unit; admittedly not an area I am well versed in since I won't own a CVT equipped vehicle.

Beyond that, every bit of rubber/poly under the car (mount/bushing/ball joint etc.) will be worn to the point of needing a replacement, not to mention your struts/shocks are well done by then; you may not notice it because they have slowly degraded over time and likely haven't blown (that you will feel over every spine compressing bump).

Then there are wheel bearings, u-joints & other lubricated metal on metal rotating assemblies that will likely be on their way out, or close to it. Ignition coils tend to give up the ghost somewhere in the 100k-150k 10y-15y range as well.

Let's not forget rust belt related issues, that only speed up all of these wear processes, including the body/undercarriage/frame/uni-body rust & rot factor.

Vehicles depreciate fairly quickly to the point where post-warranty repairs start to become a less viable option, especially if you pay someone $100+ an hour to perform the work for you.

There are outliers to the 10y/100k issue, some manufacturers do better, but with an increasing tech presence in modern cars, I wonder how viable repairing them will be down the road. How much will the massive touch screen in your dash cost to replace when it bugs out? how long will it last before that happens? what about crash mitigation systems?

If your car lives in a garage, the undercarriage is washed regularly and you keep up with scheduled/preventative maintenance you can really extend it's life, but stuff just wears out whether it's used or not.

Obviously there is a huge difference between a second/third car you are passionate about and want to keep for a long time, and a commuter or work truck that is there solely to perform a function; I'm speaking mainly about the latter here.

How this relates to Nissan, well, they near the bottom of the barrel when it comes to reliability and longevity, yet they are trying to cram in the modern tech - it's the perfect storm of "no freaking thanks" much like the American branches of FCA: Dodge, Chrysler & Jeep.
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Old 05-16-2019, 01:16 PM   #33
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At least on the sales side, my experiences with Nissan have both been stellar.

First one was apologetic because the cookies were still in the oven and wouldn't be ready for another 5 minutes (she hunted us down in the parking lot and brought us all warm cookies)

The other one we hit up on a Sunday at opening, probably would have been better with full staffing, but they were nice and got us taken care of.

Warm cookies seal the deal for your dealership experience? We are obviously different shoppers then.

I didn't have any issues with the sale.

Between the two dealerships I've had service at both have been "poor" at best. They replaced the wrong valve cover gasket 2 times....yup the passenger side was leaking and they replaced drivers side. Still leaked, took it back, same thing. The 3rd time they got it right.

The "Express Oil Change" that Nissan advertises doesn't exist. If you don't have an appointment the oil change will take a 1 1/2 hour...if they can fit it in. If you have one you can expect a hour wait.

They stopped doing car washes with oil changes...not a big deal but how hard is it to keep a guy on board at 12 bucks a hour to wash a car?

The "multi point inspection" routinely is horrible wrong. I went from "brakes are great" to needing all 4 pads and rotors replaced in 3k miles. When I brought this up to them they had no answers. For the record it did need brakes but how do you go from "great" to replace in 3k miles? Most recently the inspection they offer missed a developing bearing issue in the rear. I get the lube tech isn't a master tech but these are the kinds of things folks should pick up on.

At 10 years and about 70k miles my Xterra has some bearing issue in the rear end. Doesn't seem to be a common problem that I can find on the internet so it just seems like bad luck for mine to wear out that fast.

But if they made me warm cookies perhaps I would buy another one day.

Sit in a 2010 Xterra and Frontier then sit in a 2019 Frontier. Tell me what changed in 10 years? They look the exact same besides an upgraded radio. It is sad really.
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Warm cookies seal the deal for your dealership experience? We are obviously different shoppers then.

I didn't have any issues with the sale.

Between the two dealerships I've had service at both have been "poor" at best. They replaced the wrong valve cover gasket 2 times....yup the passenger side was leaking and they replaced drivers side. Still leaked, took it back, same thing. The 3rd time they got it right.

The "Express Oil Change" that Nissan advertises doesn't exist. If you don't have an appointment the oil change will take a 1 1/2 hour...if they can fit it in. If you have one you can expect a hour wait.

They stopped doing car washes with oil changes...not a big deal but how hard is it to keep a guy on board at 12 bucks a hour to wash a car?

The "multi point inspection" routinely is horrible wrong. I went from "brakes are great" to needing all 4 pads and rotors replaced in 3k miles. When I brought this up to them they had no answers. For the record it did need brakes but how do you go from "great" to replace in 3k miles? Most recently the inspection they offer missed a developing bearing issue in the rear. I get the lube tech isn't a master tech but these are the kinds of things folks should pick up on.

At 10 years and about 70k miles my Xterra has some bearing issue in the rear end. Doesn't seem to be a common problem that I can find on the internet so it just seems like bad luck for mine to wear out that fast.

But if they made me warm cookies perhaps I would buy another one day.

Sit in a 2010 Xterra and Frontier then sit in a 2019 Frontier. Tell me what changed in 10 years? They look the exact same besides an upgraded radio. It is sad really.
my FIL has a 2007 Frontier, the 2019 is the same truck (In the North American market anyways). It's been the same truck from MY2005 to MY2019 with a facelift in there somewhere (2010?).

Devils advocate - if Subaru offered the 2004 STi factory fresh in 2019, ora 2006 WRX wagon factory fresh in 2019, would people buy it? "depends on the price" is what I would say.
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my FIL has a 2007 Frontier, the 2019 is the same truck (In the North American market anyways). It's been the same truck from MY2005 to MY2019 with a facelift in there somewhere (2010?).

Devils advocate - if Subaru offered the 2004 STi factory fresh in 2019, ora 2006 WRX wagon factory fresh in 2019, would people buy it? "depends on the price" is what I would say.
Toyota did the same for a while with the Taco... due to lack of competition, they just continue to roll with it. Until the Colorado/Canyon/Ranger came back to the market... lol
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Warm cookies seal the deal for your dealership experience? We are obviously different shoppers then.
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Seal it? Nope, we bought elsewhere


However, my dealer group prides ourselves on our service, yet we only offer stale, mini baked goods bought at the grocery store, and literal shot glasses for their water. So yeah.

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Seal it? Nope, we bought elsewhere


However, my dealer group prides ourselves on our service, yet we only offer stale, mini baked goods bought at the grocery store, and literal shot glasses for their water. So yeah.

At least when I get raped on the Mustang oil change I get free warm hot dogs. They have all the fix'n on the bar as well. I thought that was odd but okay nice gesture for your customers and employees.

I won't even touch on the rust issue Nissan has. Garaged kept and washed regularly for the first 5 years. Still couldn't fend off the rust.
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I won't even touch on the rust issue Nissan has. Garaged kept and washed regularly for the first 5 years. Still couldn't fend off the rust.
That's paint and metal in general these days. Doesn't matter if it's an industrial or consumer product. It's all garbage. Fact.

Gotta save the planet by using enviro safe materials making products that don't last as long and rot...
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At least when I get raped on the Mustang oil change I get free warm hot dogs. They have all the fix'n on the bar as well. I thought that was odd but okay nice gesture for your customers and employees.

I won't even touch on the rust issue Nissan has. Garaged kept and washed regularly for the first 5 years. Still couldn't fend off the rust.
Hot dogs are cool. That's kind of the point, the warm cookies were not expected for this level of dealership. Lexus or Infiniti? Sure, but Nissan?


Meanwhile, we have stale popcorn, ****ty baked goods and a shot of water.

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That's paint and metal in general these days. Doesn't matter if it's an industrial or consumer product. It's all garbage. Fact.

Gotta save the planet by using enviro safe materials making products that don't last as long and rot...
Just think of it as expedited vehicular composting.
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Toyota did the same for a while with the Taco... due to lack of competition, they just continue to roll with it. Until the Colorado/Canyon/Ranger came back to the market... lol
Taco first gen was 1995-2004
Taco second gen was 2005-2015
Taco third gen is 2016+

F150 is a bit tricky, the 7th gen through 9th gen (1980-1997) were essentially the same truck, but with modernization of the powertrain and aero tweaks, because, fuel economy became a thing again.
10th gen was the shortest lived, 1998-2003, but the 11th, 12th & 13th gen (2004-current) have been a re-tweak and new powertrain introductions, 13th gen also saw the extensive aluminum usage, etc.

Nissan North America is at year 15 with the exact same frame, suspension, powertrain, and interior, a facelift happened, but otherwise unchanged. The third gen exists elsewhere in the world too, just not in North America. Honestly, if Nissan was going to just "keep on keeping on" with the Frontier, a powertrain refresh is needed; the VQ is ghastly and thirsty, the interior is.... nostalgic.... for lack of a friendlier word; on paper it looks like a decent truck - fully boxed frame and what-not, but man, drive one and it feels like a 90's f-series, and that isn't a compliment in 2019; If I want a 90's F-series I'll buy one for $500-$2000 and be able to pick-and-pull my way into eternity with it, but having owned a few 80's and 90's F-series, at this point in my life, I don't want one.
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The Altima has been a good seller for them but as said above it's more or less the same car going back to last decade with refreshes.
i am guessing the addition of AWD and a VC-Turbo engine are considered minor refreshes in your view?
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Taco first gen was 1995-2004
Taco second gen was 2005-2015
Taco third gen is 2016+

F150 is a bit tricky, the 7th gen through 9th gen (1980-1997) were essentially the same truck, but with modernization of the powertrain and aero tweaks, because, fuel economy became a thing again.
10th gen was the shortest lived, 1998-2003, but the 11th, 12th & 13th gen (2004-current) have been a re-tweak and new powertrain introductions, 13th gen also saw the extensive aluminum usage, etc.

Nissan North America is at year 15 with the exact same frame, suspension, powertrain, and interior, a facelift happened, but otherwise unchanged. The third gen exists elsewhere in the world too, just not in North America. Honestly, if Nissan was going to just "keep on keeping on" with the Frontier, a powertrain refresh is needed; the VQ is ghastly and thirsty, the interior is.... nostalgic.... for lack of a friendlier word; on paper it looks like a decent truck - fully boxed frame and what-not, but man, drive one and it feels like a 90's f-series, and that isn't a compliment in 2019; If I want a 90's F-series I'll buy one for $500-$2000 and be able to pick-and-pull my way into eternity with it, but having owned a few 80's and 90's F-series, at this point in my life, I don't want one.

That **** is a cheap gimmick IMO

Zero heavy duty commercial trucks run a boxed frame. Its a simple C channel, only when you spec it for >80,000 lbs you get another C channel in side the regular one.

My current truck is good for around 150,000 lbs and has a double frame.
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I got a Lyft on Friday that was a brand new Sentra. I was completely unimpressed. Typical Nissan, a decade behind everyone else. It would have been a decent car back in 2005.
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I got a Lyft on Friday that was a brand new Sentra. I was completely unimpressed. Typical Nissan, a decade behind everyone else. It would have been a decent car back in 2005.
I'm actually stunned people would buy these cars today. Do people just buy cars from the first dealership they walk into without cross-shopping? I just don't know how you could test drive one against any of a Mazda 3, Civic, Corolla, Elantra, etc and come to any sort of conclusion it's a better purchase as you only have to sit in it for a few minutes before coming to the conclusion it's very outdated.
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I'm actually stunned people would buy these cars today. Do people just buy cars from the first dealership they walk into without cross-shopping? I just don't know how you could test drive one against any of a Mazda 3, Civic, Corolla, Elantra, etc and come to any sort of conclusion it's a better purchase as you only have to sit in it for a few minutes before coming to the conclusion it's very outdated.
I haven't sat in one in quite a while. Are they outdated by functionality, of just style. if the later that is very subjective.
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I'm actually stunned people would buy these cars today. Do people just buy cars from the first dealership they walk into without cross-shopping? I just don't know how you could test drive one against any of a Mazda 3, Civic, Corolla, Elantra, etc and come to any sort of conclusion it's a better purchase as you only have to sit in it for a few minutes before coming to the conclusion it's very outdated.
Normal people, yes.


They look in the paper, see an ad for "$12,995*" and go try to buy that car.


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I'm actually stunned people would buy these cars today. Do people just buy cars from the first dealership they walk into without cross-shopping? I just don't know how you could test drive one against any of a Mazda 3, Civic, Corolla, Elantra, etc and come to any sort of conclusion it's a better purchase as you only have to sit in it for a few minutes before coming to the conclusion it's very outdated.
I dunno. The guy was pretty proud of it so I didn't want to be a dick about it. It just confirmed all of the pre-conceived notions I had about Nissan.
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The ‘15 SexTerra Pro4X was the last year of its kind. I still love it, it’s been 100% problem-free. It’s the only Nissan I’d touch besides the GT-R.
My daily is a '14 Pro-4x - have around 85k miles - also with no problems.The interior would make rubbermaid proud though lol. Perhaps we've been lucky with Nissan products in my immediate family, but don't recall any major issues.

Having said that, I have no sympathy for Nissan. Build 'appliances' and don't expect passion/enthusiasm from your buyers. If there isn't anything to make your products standout, then you lose loyal, repeat buyers or fail to attract new ones. Bring an Xterra back, build the Nissan Tital Warrior, build a simple, rear wheel drive, manual equipped 240sx to slot under the (ugly) 370Z. Speaking of which, put that out to pasture already.
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370Z is officially dead.

Nissan does make decently interesting exteriors. When most people care most about outward appearance, I can see why Nissan would be appealing.
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