2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[Dalessio]

Originally Posted by Straight6

C&D got 13.9 @ 101 mph in the 2022 WRX vs 13.8 @ 102 in the 2018 STi...So that is a wash. The 2015 WRX VIR hot lap exhibited a brake failure. The 2018 WRX performance pack is just a higher-temp front brake pads, that's all in terms of performance upgrades. The VB handles considerably better than the VA and has a much, much better power band. No idea why you would even bring up the GR86, it is a completely different class with a drastically different goal in mind. Not sure how that car is of any relevance in this comparison.

C&D was not able to reliably replicate that 13.9s 1/4 mile, they were as slow as 14.2 sec as well. My point being, with the '22 weighing about 20lbs more but only having 3 additional hp and with the same transmission (I believe? let's not even get into CVT/SPTs lol), I don't think we're going to see that much of a difference in the 1/4 mile. Also, it's well known that stock for stock the STI isn't much faster in a straight line, so 1/4 mile times only account for so much as I originally mentioned. As for actual lap times...we know that's where the STI pulls ahead.

I would be surprised, but pleasantly so, if the slightly improved handling can get it closer to STI lap times considering everything I mentioned. And you're correct about the performance pack, the higher temp pads (and Brembos calipers, I guess lol) were exactly what the VA needed and it showed across multiple situations and tests - hopefully the '22 has better pads than the last gen.

And I mentioned the 86 because I stumbled on that info while looking at these times and it's amusing that it's considered slow by most while it seems to now be keeping up with the WRX in the 0-60 and only slightly behind in the 1/4 mile. It's a lot closer than I expected anyway.

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[samagon]

[Straight6]

Originally Posted by Dalessio

C&D was not able to reliably replicate that 13.9s 1/4 mile, they were as slow as 14.2 sec as well. My point being, with the '22 weighing about 20lbs more but only having 3 additional hp and with the same transmission (I believe? let's not even get into CVT/SPTs lol), I don't think we're going to see that much of a difference in the 1/4 mile. Also, it's well known that stock for stock the STI isn't much faster in a straight line, so 1/4 mile times only account for so much as I originally mentioned. As for actual lap times...we know that's where the STI pulls ahead.

I would be surprised, but pleasantly so, if the slightly improved handling can get it closer to STI lap times considering everything I mentioned. And you're correct about the performance pack, the higher temp pads (and Brembos calipers, I guess lol) were exactly what the VA needed and it showed across multiple situations and tests - hopefully the '22 has better pads than the last gen.

And I mentioned the 86 because I stumbled on that info while looking at these times and it's amusing that it's considered slow by most while it seems to now be keeping up with the WRX in the 0-60 and only slightly behind in the 1/4 mile. It's a lot closer than I expected anyway.

I never heard that, do you have a link ? I posted the C&D video and article in this thread. They mention how the 0-60 time required a shift vs VA. Also, there is a noticeable improvement in the power band vs FA20DIT, I posted direct DYNO comparisons in this thread. In addition, there is a significant improvement to handling with the VB. I think with better brakes it will lap the STI, hopefully C&D will include in the next VIR feature. Lap times aside, this car overall fixed everything I disliked about the VA. There is a growing subreddit with tons of info and reviews from prior owners or others that switched from the competition if you want to take a break from the misinformation and trolling posted here.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

To be fair, the gearing in that car helped it's 0-60 a lot. The Forester lost that 0-60 edge when the gearing was revised later in the same generation

That doesn’t negate his point and fact though.

[rmbrady]

The new engine has more total power under the curve, but most of that is on the low end and that's less important on the track. If your pushing the car hard on a track your spending your entire time in the upper RPM range, where the new engine doesn't seem to hold much improvement over the old 2.0.

I'd be thrilled for new WRX owners that care about tracking if it was faster than a VA STI, but I'd be shocked unless the new rubber is a huge upgrade over the old Dunlop's.

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[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by rmbrady

[...] If your pushing the car hard on a track your spending your entire time in the upper RPM range[...]

Also, that upper RPM range ends earlier at 6100 with the 2.4; gearing is now shorter from 3rd to 5th (if I remember correctly), so that redline comes up even faster in those gears.
So, yeah, I don't know, we'll have to wait and see what happens with lap times.

[4S-TURBO]

Interesting to see if the VA with that gearset would work better.

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

Interesting to see if the VA with that gearset would work better.

It absolutely would. But, I wouldn't stop there. The FA24DIT turbo with electronically controlled wastegate and BOV would help as well

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by neg_matnik

Also, that upper RPM range ends earlier at 6100 with the 2.4; gearing is now shorter from 3rd to 5th (if I remember correctly), so that redline comes up even faster in those gears.
So, yeah, I don't know, we'll have to wait and see what happens with lap times.

Guess it would depend on the track? Raced it around the Utah Motorsports Complex and 3rd was the highest gear we got. Dropped to second a couple times; but, I can't say 6100 was an issue.


Then I ask what's the deal about that? Spent years reading complaints here that the 2.0 would drop off before 6000 anyway. And what people have discussed and shown on graphs, it seems to do something similar. It's just much better on the way up?

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Guess it would depend on the track? Raced it around the Utah Motorsports Complex and 3rd was the highest gear we got. Dropped to second a couple times; but, I can't say 6100 was an issue.


Then I ask what's the deal about that? Spent years reading complaints here that the 2.0 would drop off before 6000 anyway. And what people have discussed and shown on graphs, it seems to do something similar. It's just much better on the way up?

Totally depends on the track and the driver. That's why I said we'll have to wait and see.

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by Pre

That doesn’t negate his point and fact though.

wait... I'm not blocked?

[4S-TURBO]

Originally Posted by neg_matnik

It absolutely would. But, I wouldn't stop there. The FA24DIT turbo with electronically controlled wastegate and BOV would help as well

The higher redline of the FA20 and the 4.44 gearing should make for a better all around package whether on track or street. Mileage will suffer.

[Straight6]

Obviously there is a bit more to it but looking at the turbo sizes they should have pushed the fuel cut to 6,500 RPM. FA20DIT turbo checked out @ around 6K but you can still run a ton of timing with good quality gas and make good power past 6.5K. I am sure we will see a spicier tune down the line like VW did for the 2019 cars when they cranked the boost up top. This engine has a ton of room left on the table.