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Old 02-11-2019, 01:55 AM   #101
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Any idea why they are doing away with the dual injection ? [...]
Originally, at least for VW, mixing PFI with DI was mostly about lowering particulate matter emissions for Europe; and that worked for a while.
But Europe has toughen up its stance against PM emissions; manufacturers are forced to fit PM filters to GDI engines like it's done for Diesel engines.
So, maybe mixing PFI with DI is no longer worth the extra cost.
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Goes to show how much more superior Subaru AWD chassis is. Even with 20 year old engine and 6 speed this thing wasn't far behind and still faster at the VIR, heck the WRX was faster than the Golf R at the VIR as I mentioned before.

Really impressive that a 20 year old relic Subaru spanks a 20K AMG engine and a M car:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/suba...ti-comparison/


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Even the fastest 2 door DSG GTI ever tested by any magazine had no chance against the 2015 WRX.
The WRX didnít make the cut in AutoCar top ten list

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...888263..Subaru milked the WRX like 20 years old Boxer Teats. Rumor is Subaru is Going To Show another Special Addition Model At Geneva farewell to the STI . Long In The Tooth Addition..
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:24 AM   #103
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Any idea why they are doing away with the dual injection ? I think if Hyundai brings the N hatchback here and now the CTR being back, we may just see a US version of the Clubsport. I still think there is potential for the Aerton spec 2.0 ending up in the MK8 GTI. Seems like the speculated power figures posted here are similar. They may do something more special with MK8R. VR6 turbo is also coming back, you never know...Can you imagine if that engine made its way into the Golf R ?
Yeah, as previously said it's the particulate emissions... That's the only reason they had it in Europe. Now that they've had to add a filter to meet the new emissions standards, no need for port injection. The Euro guys are losing their mind...

I'd love to see one of the special edition GTI's make it here, but I'm just skeptical it'll ever happen. VWoA is one brand that doesn't like to step on it's own toes, and a high hp GTI would certainly step on the R's toes. It really doesn't matter much to me, I'm an awd or nothing guy because of chain requirements in the mountains, but I'm always in for seeing more competition in the hatchback segment.

The EA888 engine is capable of a lot. There's no question in my mind that they could pair it with a bigger turbo and offer more, but again, it's maintaining proper separation between the GTI and the R. They're at 228 right now... I could see them bumping close to 250, but I'd have a hard time seeing more than that. Maybe they'll give us the GTI performance engine that was available in Europe with 242 hp.
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...The EA888 engine is capable of a lot. There's no question in my mind that they could pair it with a bigger turbo and offer more, but again, it's maintaining proper separation between the GTI and the R. They're at 228 right now... I could see them bumping close to 250, but I'd have a hard time seeing more than that. Maybe they'll give us the GTI performance engine that was available in Europe with 242 hp.
I would also agree with this as they need to keep a distiction between the two models. They also need to make sure that the R does not approach RS3 territory. I don't see them giving the GTI 300hp or the R 400hp.
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Believe it or not, the Volkswagen Golf Just one-upped the competition in a big way

Volkswagen just finished debuting the new 2020 Volkswagen Golf MK. 8, and it takes the Golf into unchartered territory with mild hybrid technology, car-to-x connectivity, a mildly revised look, and engines that are more efficient than ever. Even better yet, at launch, the Golf Mk. 8 will be available as a plug-in hybrid with a 13 kWh battery that will give you some 60 km (about 37 miles) of all-electric range. The interior of the Golf has been completely revamped as well with an all-new focus on digital controls, and, to be quite honest, it feels like the Golf just surpassed Audi in a big way. Hereís what you need to know.

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VW calls it progressive, acknowledging that it doesn't look extremely different, but there have been big changes. What the all-new Golf has to offer.

The eighth-generation Volkswagen Golf hatchback, known as the Mark 8, is making its Europe-market debut.
It remains based on the MQB platform and looks similar to its predecessor, but offers lots of new tech features.
Only the sportier Mark 8 Golf GTI and Golf R models are confirmed for the U.S. market so far, but we hope that this base Golf comes to our shores, too.
The arrival of a new Volkswagen Golf never comes as a huge surprise. More than 35 million Golfs have been produced through seven generations since the first was launched in 1974. The dynasty also accounts for a disproportionate number of our all-time favorite Volkswagens. The new Mark 8 Golf has now arrived to replace the current Mark 7 Golf, and its gently evolved exterior styling make it obvious that a lot about the new car remains familiar.

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Much is different, too, but letís start with what stays the same. Like its predecessor, the Mark 8 Golf sits on Volkswagen Group's MQB platform. This is the automotive Swiss army knife architecture that underpins everything from the Europe-market Polo subcompact to the Atlas SUV. Dimensions are barely changed from those of the Mark 7, with a modest 1.0-inch increase in overall length and a 0.6-inch stretch in wheelbase, but fractional reductions in both width and height.

Volkswagen has released powertrain details for the Europe market, few (or none) of which are relevant to the U.S. market. We can certainly discount the entry-level 1.0-liter three-cylinder TSI that underpins the range in Europe; it will be sold in both 89-hp and 108-hp outputs. (We drove the engine in a Mark 7 back in 2017.) Similarly, there is zero chance that either of the TDI diesels (in 113-hp and 148-hp outputs) will come across the Atlantic, for what should remain a fairly obvious reason.

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At the center of the range sit a pair of punchier 1.5-liter four-cylinder gasoline engines, with 128 and 148 horsepower, respectively. If Volkswagen does decide to continue with the regular Golf in the States, then the punchier version of this would seem to be the obvious engine to act as the entry-level powerplant.

In Europe, a six-speed manual gearbox will be standard, with some engines getting the option of a new seven-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox which brings 48-volt hybrid assistance through a belt-connected starter-generator. There will also be a pair of plug-in hybrids, both using a 1.4-liter gasoline engine and a 13.0-kWh battery pack, in 201-hp and 242-hp states of tune (the latter is branded a GTE). The e-Golf EV is also dead; VW reckons the new ID.3 has effectively replaced it.

The only models currently confirmed for the States are the forthcoming GTI and Golf R. While we don't know the details yet, we're promised that the R will have more than the 295 horsepower of the current car, and that it will continue to have all-wheel drive. We believe that the GTI will use an updated version of the outgoing carís 2.0-liter TSI engine, and we are cautiously optimistic the GTI will continue to offer a manual transmission in the States.

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While the exterior design is very similar to that of the current Golf, the interior marks a much more radical departure. The Mark 8 has a digital instrument cluster as standard, there's a large touchscreen in the center of the dashboard, and many functions will be handled with what Volkswagen is describing as "sliders." These touch-sensitive controls will operate things such as the climate-control temperature and the sunroof on the roof console. The new shift-by-wire DSG transmission means that automatic cars will have a far smaller gear selector to allow for more storage space in the center console. (VW also says that the new shifter allows the DSG to "engage reverse while still traveling forward at low speeds to make maneuvering easier.")

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Cars fitted with the optional DCC active suspension will use these slider controls to allow for selection of intermediate positions between modes. We're also promised that there will be an "additional adjustment range beyond Sport mode," which makes it sound as though it will be possible to turn the Golf up to 11.

Beyond the touch interface, the Golf will feature a voice control system that's said to recognize far more complicated instructions than existing systems. Reportedly, it will be smart enough to increase the cabin temperature if an occupant says "I'm cold." It will also offer integration with Amazon's Alexa voice assistant to allow items to be added to shopping lists, or even for instructions to be passed to connected home devices.

Even more Big Brother is the arrival of car-to-X communication, a short-range data exchange system that allows equipped vehicles to swap information with each other or even with road infrastructure. This could mean warnings about accidents or broken-down vehicles ahead. Unlike existing data exchange systems, car-to-X can operate at ranges of up to half a mile without cellphone infrastructure and can relay data almost instantly. For instance, if a car slides on the surface of a frozen bridge, it could warn the one following to slow down.

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Other technical highlights include standard LED headlights and the option of a Drive Assistant, an enhanced cruise-control system claimed to operate at speeds of up to 130 mph. That will be useful on the German autobahn, but not so much on a U.S. freeway. Volkswagen also says it will be possible for the Golf to be upgraded after purchase because it has software enabling pre-installed functions, including adaptive cruise control, automatic high-beams, and in-car navigation. We wonder how long before hackers try to access such features for free.

Basic versions of the Golf will go on sale in Europe at the end of this year, with the GTI and Golf R set to follow next year. We look forward to telling you more about them once we have details, but we also hope that some of the regular Golfs make it here, too.
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Old 05-15-2020, 08:14 AM   #107
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Key features will return on the 2022 Volkswagen GTI.
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8th-generation Golf gets a significant bump in power and various drive modes

A six-speed manual gearbox will still be offered on the 2022 Volkswagen GTI MK8

Unveiled virtually at the last Geneva Motor Show, the new VW Golf GTI MK8 will launch in Europe later this year before arriving in North America next year as a 2022 model. Significantly more powerful, the new GTI will also be more comfortable and more capable around a track. We got the inside scoop today from the Golfís Product Manager, Megan Closset.

ďWe are very excited to see this new GTI come to North America where it almost half of its sales take placeĒ, Closset said.

The Volkswagen GTI is indeed a staple on North American roads. Roughly 45 percent of GTI sales happen this side of the pond which explains why the GTI will return to our continent despite lingering doubt about the future of the Volkswagen Golf hatchback in North America. Canada may get it, but the United States wonít. There, the GTI and Golf R will be the only variants offered.

Two things become clear when listening to Volkswagen engineers and PMs talk about the new GTI. This MK8 generation will be a lot faster, and it will be a lot more refined. Volkswagen is definitely pushing the GTI upmarket with a fully-digital interior, a unique visual signature upfront with distinctive LED headlights and fog lights. This will be the first GTI to feature available 19-inch wheels and IQ.Drive advanced safety technologies will also be offered. Think adaptive cruise control, lane departure warning and prevention, automatic braking and the like.

Compared to the MK7 GTI, VW set out to improve daily drivability, cornering, stability and precision, grip, and vehicle response in the MK8 generation. The daily drivability part is ensured by the improved interior with a slightly different plaid design, an iconic feature of the GTI. Leather seats will surely be offered as an option. As for the rest, the MK8 Golfís chassis, steering, and suspension have all been improved.

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The new VW GTI gets a bump in performance and power. Thereís still a 2.0-litre turbocharged four-cylinder engine powering the GTI, but power increases to 242 horsepower and 273 pound-feet of torque compared to 228 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque for the MK7 GTI. Power is still sent to the front-wheels only through either a 6-speed manual gearbox or a seven-speed dual-clutch 7-speed gearbox with a shifter thatís eerily similar to the one in the new 992 Porsche 911. A front differential with electronically controlled limited-slip differential are standard to make sure power is distributed efficiently.



The steering has been improved with new software to improve comfort and shorten manoeuvres. It takes just 2.1 times lock to lock behind the wheel of the GTI. The suspension is lighter and slightly stiffer by 5 percent up front and 15 percent in the back. The biggest change with the new MK8 GTI, however, are the drive modes. Each mode adjusts the front differential, dampers, and limited-slip differential. Push it all the way to the right in Sport and VW says youíll enjoy quite a bit more action than in past GTI models.

They talked about drifting a couple of times in the presentation, but we wouldnít go as far as saying the GTI has a drift mode. We will say that we canít wait to see just how serious the sportiest mode in the GTI actually is. Weíre guessing it will be significantly edgier than the current MK7 GTI. And thatís kind of the point of the 2022 Volkswagen GTI. Edgier in performance, more comfortable when you want it to be, and slightly more luxurious and refined.
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So there Mk 7.5 will continue another year? The 2019s were selling for $7k off before the virus, what kind of discount is the 2021 going to need to sell, $12k off?

They'll have to add something to the 2021 - digital cockpit for sure, but what else? Make them all TCRs, that'd work.
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I like the MK7 plaid seats a lot more. MK8's thin red theme reminds of the old MS3 and that interior was pretty crappy.

Do regular people even want these hatchbacks?
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TThe Volkswagen Golf is about to roll into its eighth generation, and while we already knew that the standard car would be a no-show here in the States, details on equipment and options for the performance variants like the GTI and Golf R have been scarce until recently. On Thursday, VW confirmed that the GTI will hit our shores in late 2021óand yes, there will still be a six-speed manual gearbox offered.

The new car will arrive in dealers' lots as a 2022 model and will feature a number of comfort, tech, safety, and handling upgrades, some of which are pretty unique in a car that should start around $30,000.

According to VW, the next GTI will come standard with the tartan plaid fabric upholstery that has been a fixture in the model line over the years, though perforated leather will be offered as an option. No matter whatís covering them, the front seats will come with standard heating, as will the steering wheel, which will also feature touch-sensitive controls. Adding leather upholstery also brings ventilated seats, which is a first for the GTI.

On the exterior, there's an illuminated grille that will feature LED lights running underneath the carís signature red stripe. New ten-piece LED fog lights will sit in a honeycomb lower grille, and the GTI will get under-door puddle lights as standard kit.

A new digital cockpit display for the driver will join an 8.25-inch infotainment screen as standard equipment, though the most advanced features will be reserved for the optional 10-inch screen. Together with the digital cockpit display, the larger screens form what Volkswagen calls its ďInnovision Cockpit.Ē It should function similar to the system in the latest Audi models, where maps and other information from the central screen are mirrored to some degree in the driverís display. Lane-keeping assist, autonomous emergency braking, and pedestrian/cyclist detection are also standard equipment.

Underneath, the new car will feature a trick differential called VAQ, which is a torque-sensing limited-slip differential. VW says the unit will help the car overcome traction disadvantages of front-wheel-drive cars, including torque steer, which is a tendency in front-drive cars where hard acceleration causes a distortion in steering feel and direction. It also helps vector torque to apply power where itís needed, such as when exiting a corner.

The unique differential first showed up on the Jetta GLI last year and uses a multi-plate clutch between the differential and right driveshaft. It functions like a normal system but uses a computer to control lockup instead of needing to adjust gears and clutch discs inside of a traditional unit.

The 2022 VW Golf GTI will make its appearance sometime late in 2021, but it won't be the only Golf variant we'll see here. The company says the Golf R is coming as well but has not yet decided which car will debut first.
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Old 05-15-2020, 09:21 AM   #111
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My old MK7 GTI had barely any torque steer so that's good to hear they can improve it further. But even so that won't help wheel spin which was the big problem with that car as far as performance.

They should release the Golf-R first.
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Wait, the GLI and GTI have different LSDs?
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Wait, the GLI and GTI have different LSDs?
Not to my knowledge. Author probably made a mistake there.
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Since the Geneva Motor Show was canceled for 2020, Volkswagen was forced to do a virtual debut for the 2020 Mk.8 Golf. During that stream, we learned about the Golf GTI, GTD, and GTE, but a lot of necessary information for the GTI was left shrouded in mystery. Now, despite the fact that the Mk.8 Golf GTI is still a year or so away from landing Stateside, VW company execs have spilled the beans and given us a little something to be excited about

The Mk.8 Golf GTI will carry around a new version of VWís turbocharged, 2.0-liter, four-cylinder engine thatís good for 242 horsepower and 273 pound-feet of torque Ė an improvement of 14 horsepower and 15 pound-feet over the Mk.7 GTI. This is also about in line with what the GTI Performance of the last generation was able to deliver. Thereís no word on the MK. 8 GTI Performance quite yet, but we still believe it will be good for around 287 horsepower when it launches a year after the base GTI. Thereís also word that the Golf R Plus could breach the 400 horsepower mark thanks to a handy hybrid powertrain,, but thatís a story for another time.

Back to the point at hand, the Mk.8 Golf GTI will deliver power via your choice of a six-speed manual transmission or a seven-speed DSG automatic, both of which will be available across all trim levels. As far as the six-speed goes, you can thank the 40-percent of buyers that opted for the manual on the Mk.7, by the way.

Two big parts of the GTIís improved performance fall on the limited-slip differential and the Vehicle Dynamics Manager.

The LSD isnít really anything new, but the VDM is a big deal. Itís basically a performance computer that monitors the carís major systems, including the active dampers, LSD, and steering several hundred times per second. Itís basically like vehicle stability control on crack. It can add braking force to certain wheels when needed, cut down roll stiffness, and quicken or tighten steering input, among other things, on-demand.

While all of this helps the Mk.8 Golf GTI handle better than the Mk.7, itís not all in the computer control.

VW revised the GTIís suspension with new MacPherson front struts and a revised multi-link rear end. The springs and dampers were reconfigured, and a lighter aluminum subframe in the front end helps reduce unsprung weight.

Add in give new wheel options and the optional Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, and the MK.8 GTI is set to be one hell of a hot hatch. So much so, in fact, that VW couldnít help but express just how much better it is.

The company took the Mk.8 GTI configured exactly like the MK.7 GTI Performance to its test track in Germany. So, weíre talking about two cars with identical power output on identical tires, and as it turns out, the MK.8 GTI was four-seconds faster around the two-mile test track than the MK.7 GTI Performance. VW has said that the Mk.8 GTI will launch a the end of 2021 as a 2022 model in the United States.
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4 second improvement with no power increase is quite impressive.. considering the MK7 aren't dogs to begin with.

I hear/see folks complaining about the clutch going out prematurely on the MK7 MT, hope they addressed that as well on the Mk8.
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I hear/see folks complaining about the clutch going out prematurely on the MK7 MT, hope they addressed that as well on the Mk8.
Those people are more than likely modified for extra power. The clutch can't hold any more power than stock.
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Not for us. They single bodied North America.
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Those people are more than likely modified for extra power. The clutch can't hold any more power than stock.
The manual transmission was an afterthought on the MK7 and I would imagine it's the same unit with MK8's. These cars shine best with the DSG seeing it's prioritized with Audi not even offering the manual transmission in their version (A3) of the Golf.
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