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Old 12-14-2016, 07:55 AM   #1
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Default Toyota working on hotter Yaris aimed at Ford Fiesta ST

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Toyota's European division has published a teaser sketch on Twitter that previews a hot-rodded Yaris with WRC genes.

Sources close to Toyota indicate the model could be named Gazoo after its official racing team. The sketch reveals the hotter Yaris receives a sporty-looking body kit with a deeper front bumper, side skirts, a large wing out back, and an air diffuser built into the rear bumper. The Gazoo sits noticeably lower than the stock, economy-focused Yaris it's based, and it rides on larger alloy wheels.

The Yaris Gazoo will compete in the same segment as the Ford Fiesta ST, the Volkswagen Polo GTI, and the Opel Corsa OPC. With that in mind, it's not too far-fetched to assume it will use a turbocharged four-cylinder engine tuned to provide approximately 200 horsepower. We believe it will spin the front wheels via a six-speed manual transmission, though official technical details are still under wraps.

The Toyota Yaris Gazoo will greet the public for the first time during next year's edition of the Geneva Auto Show. It will go on sale across Europe shortly after, but we'll have to wait a while longer to find out whether or not it will join the standard Yaris in Toyota's U.S. showrooms.
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The gazoo!!!

I'm not going to hold my breath on this one.
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Old 12-14-2016, 09:01 AM   #3
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I don't see it happening; for it to occur, they would have to either sever ties with Mazda (eg. Toyota Yaris iA sedan = Mazda 2) or go whole hog with Mazda and utilize the 6mt & modify the 1.6l to accept a turbo, which would likely spawn a Mazda 2 turbo variant. On top of that, they'd have to actually try to design and build a car that isn't a toaster on wheels, which will be very difficult for them.
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:52 AM   #5
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Just let one of them hit here. Fiesta AWD RS. Polo AWD RS, or this thing.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:46 AM   #6
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Doesn't hotter imply there's already a hot Yaris? Isn't that like dressing up a fat chick?

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Doesn't hotter imply there's already a hot Yaris? Isn't that like dressing up a fat chick?
hotter as in - "it will be hotter than our existing toaster, we admit the bar is set pretty low" and I would liken it to makeup and a boob job on a skinny plain-Jane, as the Yaris is pretty light, even as economy cars go; fat chick it is not.

Having much experience with a Yaris; they could parts bin most of their way there - corolla brakes, corolla iM hatch rear double wishbone suspension; stiffer dampers & springs, stiffer motor & transaxle mounts, throw a hydraulic rack on it, and that's the chassis sorted. As far as the T.C. engine & 6mt transaxle; I don't think they have an engine lying around atm, but the corolla has a 6mt (or more likely the mazda 6mt in the Yaris sedan).

I still don't think this is a likely move for Toyota
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Old 12-14-2016, 04:33 PM   #8
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Doesn't hotter imply there's already a hot Yaris? Isn't that like dressing up a fat chick?

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What is a KAZOO, Alex
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I don't see it happening; for it to occur, they would have to either sever ties with Mazda (eg. Toyota Yaris iA sedan = Mazda 2) or go whole hog with Mazda and utilize the 6mt & modify the 1.6l to accept a turbo, which would likely spawn a Mazda 2 turbo variant. On top of that, they'd have to actually try to design and build a car that isn't a toaster on wheels, which will be very difficult for them.
There was a time, about 25 years ago, when cars like the forthcoming Toyota GR Yaris were relatively common. Motorsport rules required manufacturers to make a certain number of hot production cars before they could enter competition. So driving enthusiasts could choose between the likes of the Lancia Delta Integrale, the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo, the Subaru Impreza STi and the Ford Escort Cosworth.

These days, though, there’s no obligation to make a homologation special – unless, as in the case of Toyota, you’re absolutely desperate to eke out every performance advantage possible. And at the same time, it’s becoming harder than ever to find an affordable baby hot hatchback. Ford Fiesta ST aside, there are precious few credible options. Even the Renaultsport Clio, a UK favourite, is unlikely to return for the latest generation.


So into all of this comes Toyota, with a car that appears, through hearsay and leaked information, to be a hot supermini like no other. It’s four-wheel drive, for starters. And about as powerful as a hot hatch from the class above. Auto Express broke the news of this car’s development more than a year ago and yet, as the details come out, it’s even wilder than we’d imagined.

It is also likely to be far more expensive than a Fiesta ST – perhaps double the price. And yet it promises to be a fascinating arrival – a whole new type of hot hatchback (not to mention a car that could spur Toyota’s rally rival Hyundai into something special with its i20 N).

In recent times, Toyota has built on its firmly middle-of-the-road reputation by becoming a champion for electrification and fuel efficiency. But its performance offerings – the old Yaris GRMN and the Supra – haven’t quite delivered on Akio Toyoda’s promise to make cars “fun to drive, again”. The very early signs are that the GR Yaris could be the car to address that. And if that’s the case, then it’s a 2020 debut that we should all celebrate.
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It boggles the mind how a behemoth like Toyota can’t keep these offerings at an affordable price. Seriously, what good is a rival to the Fiesta ST or GTI if you are going to offer it at double the price of your competition?

Bamboozled ova here!
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It boggles the mind how a behemoth like Toyota can’t keep these offerings at an affordable price. Seriously, what good is a rival to the Fiesta ST or GTI if you are going to offer it at double the price of your competition?

Bamboozled ova here!
my guess is that they over built the motor and chassis so that it was far easier to win races and not check books. Who really needs a lower than stock roofline and all that bespoke carbon fiber roof.

I feel they just threw everything at the Yaris within Rules and were trying to create there vision of a pour mans M3 CS than an RS or ST.
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Double the price because there is no volume. It’s a dying segment. Crossovers killed the hot hatch, just like everything else.
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Double the price because there is no volume. It’s a dying segment. Crossovers killed the hot hatch, just like everything else.
Worthless pieces of trash (CUV’s).
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Old 03-05-2020, 06:20 AM   #14
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The 257bhp Toyota GR Yaris, the second model in the GR sports car line, will be priced from £29,995 when it goes on sale in the UK later this year.

The new hot hatch, which Autocar has driven in camouflagued prototype form, has been developed by Gazoo Racing in Japan as a homologation special to aid development of the next-generation Yaris WRC. Tommi Mäkinen Racing, which runs Toyota’s World Rally Championship programme, had significant input into the model.

It will be offered in two specifications: the entry-level GR Yaris priced from £29,995 and the upgraded GR Yaris Circuit Pack, which will start from £33,495. Order books are due to open later this year, with the first UK deliveries due in November. The exact UK specifications are yet to be finalised.

The GR Yaris joins the GR Supra in Toyota's growing performance line-up. At the car's launch, Gazoo Racing boss Shigeki Tomoyama said: “While the new GR Supra is a sports car developed through track racing, the GR Yaris has been devised through our participation in rallies – something that many of our fans have been waiting for.”

The GR Yaris is built on a special four-wheel-drive version of Toyota’s TNGA architecture, with the front end of the GA-B small car platform – as used on the new Yaris – and the rear from the GA-C of the larger Corolla.

Compared with the regular Yaris, the new machine has an entirely different body, with a lower roof, three doors instead of five and significantly reworked bodywork to aid aerodynamics.

The GR Yaris is 3995mm long and 1805mm wide, with a wheelbase of 2558mm. The front track is 1530mm and the rear track is 1560mm.

The bodywork makes extensive use of carbonfibre polymer and aluminium to reduce weight. It also includes a substantially wider rear track than the regular Yaris, along with new double-wishbone rear suspension. Kerb weight is 1280kg.

Only limited technical information was available when Autocar drove the GR Yaris, but Toyota has now confirmed that the turbocharged 1.6-litre three-cylinder engine will produce a maximum of 257bhp and 265lb ft.

The engine is mated to a six-speed Intelligent Manual Transmission (IMT) gearbox, with permanent four-wheel drive delivered by Toyota’s new GR-Four system. This uses a multi-plate clutch and can vary power to all four wheels, with three preset levels of torque distribution, including a wholly rear-biased one. The GR Yaris features 356mm grooved front disc brakes that utilise four-pot calipers.

The GR Yaris sits on 18in wheels and Dunlop Sport Maxx tyres, with stickier Michelin Pilot Sport 4 rubber coming with the optional Circuit Pack, which also features a Torsen limited-slip differential on both axles and tuned suspension.

Pre-orders have already opened for the hot hatch in Japan, where it's being being offered initially in limited-run RZ First Edition and RZ High Performance First Edition guises. Both models feature bodywork styling tweaks and elements, along with other design features.

The GR Yaris will be produced on a dedicated Gazoo Racing line at Toyota’s production facility in Motomachi, Japan, that uses a large number of manual processes.




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Looks like a fun little car that will never make it to the States.
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Gad dammit. I want it so much.
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Dream on man. I want it also. It's just too cool to come here amongst the cracker drivers.
I think there is some family rule that disallows 3 door hatches here.
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Dream on man. I want it also. It's just too cool to come here amongst the cracker drivers.
I think there is some family rule that disallows 3 door hatches here.
Pre lets start listing desirable/performance oriented cars on the market with fewer than four doors and performance "family" cars on the market with four or more doors and see who's list is shorter. The reason more of the fun cars are coupes vs. 3dr hatchbacks is because the majority of the American car buying public doesn't like hatchbacks for some reason.

It's not coming here because Toyota doesn't think enough people will buy it to merit the costs of bringing it here; the amount of doors it has probably doesn't even enter into their equation. Yaris sales have been on a steep decline in the US for years, they move a couple thousand units annually now. We know this Yaris is special, but we are a tiny part of the car buying public; unless Toyota taps into Fords hype machine style marketing system and puts Ken Block on the payroll to attract flat-brimmers, they will have a hard time moving a Yaris with a sticker north of $30k+. Stop trying to put the blame on people with kids, and put it where it belongs, with the manufacturer and the non-enthusiasts (aka. the majority of the buying public); they care more about tech and unnecessary ride height than driver engagement and performance.

I would personally make a 5dr version of the GR-4 work, I'm only 5'-10, my wife is 5'-5, we are not large people, and I doubt my son will be very tall. Cramming him into the back of a 3dr hatch while he is still in a 5pt seat however just won't happen for me. Furthermore, anyone much taller than me is going to have a bad time fitting in a car like this, my wife owned a Yaris for years and it was a tight fit and ergonomically difficult to say the least.
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I don't want the marketable watered down car in a larger heavier body. The point of the GR4 was the rally car. They had to make changes to the production version and it's those changes that's appealing to me.
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Pre lets start listing desirable/performance oriented cars on the market with fewer than four doors and performance "family" cars on the market with four or more doors and see who's list is shorter. The reason more of the fun cars are coupes vs. 3dr hatchbacks is because the majority of the American car buying public doesn't like hatchbacks for some reason.

It's not coming here because Toyota doesn't think enough people will buy it to merit the costs of bringing it here; the amount of doors it has probably doesn't even enter into their equation. Yaris sales have been on a steep decline in the US for years, they move a couple thousand units annually now. We know this Yaris is special, but we are a tiny part of the car buying public; unless Toyota taps into Fords hype machine style marketing system and puts Ken Block on the payroll to attract flat-brimmers, they will have a hard time moving a Yaris with a sticker north of $30k+. Stop trying to put the blame on people with kids, and put it where it belongs, with the manufacturer and the non-enthusiasts (aka. the majority of the buying public); they care more about tech and unnecessary ride height than driver engagement and performance.

I would personally make a 5dr version of the GR-4 work, I'm only 5'-10, my wife is 5'-5, we are not large people, and I doubt my son will be very tall. Cramming him into the back of a 3dr hatch while he is still in a 5pt seat however just won't happen for me. Furthermore, anyone much taller than me is going to have a bad time fitting in a car like this, my wife owned a Yaris for years and it was a tight fit and ergonomically difficult to say the least.
Ridiculous US Government regulations is also a major factor in not getting cool low volume cars here. We're the Land of Freedom in name only.
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Pre lets start listing desirable/performance oriented cars on the market with fewer than four doors and performance "family" cars on the market with four or more doors and see who's list is shorter. The reason more of the fun cars are coupes vs. 3dr hatchbacks is because the majority of the American car buying public doesn't like hatchbacks for some reason.

It's not coming here because Toyota doesn't think enough people will buy it to merit the costs of bringing it here; the amount of doors it has probably doesn't even enter into their equation. Yaris sales have been on a steep decline in the US for years, they move a couple thousand units annually now. We know this Yaris is special, but we are a tiny part of the car buying public; unless Toyota taps into Fords hype machine style marketing system and puts Ken Block on the payroll to attract flat-brimmers, they will have a hard time moving a Yaris with a sticker north of $30k+. Stop trying to put the blame on people with kids, and put it where it belongs, with the manufacturer and the non-enthusiasts (aka. the majority of the buying public); they care more about tech and unnecessary ride height than driver engagement and performance.

I would personally make a 5dr version of the GR-4 work, I'm only 5'-10, my wife is 5'-5, we are not large people, and I doubt my son will be very tall. Cramming him into the back of a 3dr hatch while he is still in a 5pt seat however just won't happen for me. Furthermore, anyone much taller than me is going to have a bad time fitting in a car like this, my wife owned a Yaris for years and it was a tight fit and ergonomically difficult to say the least.
I'm not blaming anyone with kids. Have ten of them. Not my concern. The realistic fact is it is a major deal in the USDM to make sporty vehicles pull double duty, period. Hardcore cars like this will only come here (CTR, Golf R, STI) if they are 5 doors for this very reason.
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Yep. And as a result of offering more car, the price goes up. Make the thing the smallest and lightest and bare bones and it will go stupid fast and not need huge heavy brakes, huge heavy AWD setup and transmission, a huge cooling system, huge heavy wheels, etc.

This concept has worked for Lotus, why can't Toyota apply it to an even more functional AWD barebones tiny car? People see the GR4 and think STI or Golf R or FoRS competitor when it's totally not. Those cars got too big for rally and the US doesn't get the micro bruisers because America wants big and dealers want margins.
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Yep. And as a result of offering more car, the price goes up. Make the thing the smallest and lightest and bare bones and it will go stupid fast and not need huge heavy brakes, huge heavy AWD setup and transmission, a huge cooling system, huge heavy wheels, etc.

This concept has worked for Lotus, why can't Toyota apply it to an even more functional AWD barebones tiny car? People see the GR4 and think STI or Golf R or FoRS competitor when it's totally not. Those cars got too big for rally and the US doesn't get the micro bruisers because America wants big and dealers want margins.
Lotus makes "sports cars" and 3 door hatchbacks are not "sports cars", even if they're developed for racing... at least that's what Nabisco has taught me.
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Lotus makes "sports cars" and 3 door hatchbacks are not "sports cars", even if they're developed for racing... at least that's what Nabisco has taught me.
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