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Old 03-05-2020, 02:04 PM   #26
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Fair enough but I’ll take an already developed and built purposed street race car please.
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Old 03-05-2020, 02:05 PM   #27
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I'm not blaming anyone with kids. Have ten of them. Not my concern. The realistic fact is it is a major deal in the USDM to make sporty vehicles pull double duty, period. Hardcore cars like this will only come here (CTR, Golf R, STI) if they are 5 doors for this very reason.
You say you don't blame anyone with kids, yet you keep bringing up kids, families or "breeders" as scapegoats in your posts.

We had 3dr hatches, apparently they didn't sell as well as the 5dr hatches and/or sedans in the US so they went away for our market, the same way normal ride height wagons went away. remember when nearly every car had a coupe and/or convertible model? yeah those have gone away or are on their way out.

The majority of US buyers aren't doing the multiple car thing for a myriad of reasons (cost, lack of interest, etc.) and most of them are buying CUV's anyways, so here we are.

Boomers (for the most part) are still hot and heavy for old iron or the American & semi-American staple offerings (corvette, camaro, mustang & challenger), they aren't interested in a hot 3dr hatchback. So we've got primarily younger Gen X and older Gen Y's that might be interested in a hot Yaris, but those numbers get whittled down pretty hard when you consider the cost of a "regular" enthusiast friendly daily and a second "fun" car; not everyone can make a Leaf work as a daily, believe me I crunched the numbers over and over again.

By making a car "daily driver" friendly it increases it's market appeal and likelihood of success. Try to get your mindset to that of a 63 year old Japanese business man and not offering this car in America makes sense.

Related/unrelated look at the motorcycle market; it's been on the decline for years now even though bikes get faster and faster each generation without a marked price increase. I hope I can still get some bikes when my son is old enough to get on track with me, and that I'm still able to get on track without having to be oiled up to be poured into leathers (i'm getting fat since I stopped riding).

I would love to see this car offered in America, I personally wouldn't buy a 3-door version, but I wouldn't be angry at those who did, a 5dr version though, I could probably talk my wife into getting one as well.
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Old 03-05-2020, 02:41 PM   #28
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The point of the one time purpose developed and produced GR4 wasn't about sales. It wasn't checking boxes for the American comparison shopper. And 20k of them will likely be sitting in tax shelter warehouses somewhere collecting cobwebs because nobody is buying them:


"Man, now that's a real shame when folks be throwing away a perfectly good white car like that."
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Old 03-05-2020, 02:43 PM   #29
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Yep. And as a result of offering more car, the price goes up. Make the thing the smallest and lightest and bare bones and it will go stupid fast and not need huge heavy brakes, huge heavy AWD setup and transmission, a huge cooling system, huge heavy wheels, etc.

This concept has worked for Lotus, why can't Toyota apply it to an even more functional AWD barebones tiny car? People see the GR4 and think STI or Golf R or FoRS competitor when it's totally not. Those cars got too big for rally and the US doesn't get the micro bruisers because America wants big and dealers want margins.
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You say you don't blame anyone with kids, yet you keep bringing up kids, families or "breeders" as scapegoats in your posts.

We had 3dr hatches, apparently they didn't sell as well as the 5dr hatches and/or sedans in the US so they went away for our market, the same way normal ride height wagons went away. remember when nearly every car had a coupe and/or convertible model? yeah those have gone away or are on their way out.

The majority of US buyers aren't doing the multiple car thing for a myriad of reasons (cost, lack of interest, etc.) and most of them are buying CUV's anyways, so here we are.

Boomers (for the most part) are still hot and heavy for old iron or the American & semi-American staple offerings (corvette, camaro, mustang & challenger), they aren't interested in a hot 3dr hatchback. So we've got primarily younger Gen X and older Gen Y's that might be interested in a hot Yaris, but those numbers get whittled down pretty hard when you consider the cost of a "regular" enthusiast friendly daily and a second "fun" car; not everyone can make a Leaf work as a daily, believe me I crunched the numbers over and over again.

By making a car "daily driver" friendly it increases it's market appeal and likelihood of success. Try to get your mindset to that of a 63 year old Japanese business man and not offering this car in America makes sense.

Related/unrelated look at the motorcycle market; it's been on the decline for years now even though bikes get faster and faster each generation without a marked price increase. I hope I can still get some bikes when my son is old enough to get on track with me, and that I'm still able to get on track without having to be oiled up to be poured into leathers (i'm getting fat since I stopped riding).

I would love to see this car offered in America, I personally wouldn't buy a 3-door version, but I wouldn't be angry at those who did, a 5dr version though, I could probably talk my wife into getting one as well.
That's why it won't come here and neither will anything like it. You just proved my entire point. People here want it to do everything. It must be a daily driver, it must have rear doors, blah blah. You keep whining about what I say about families but it's true. When customers speak the mfr's listen.

2 door coupe, acceptible. 3 door hatch unacceptable. I don't hear the same whining about Mustangs, Porsches, BRZ's, Corvettes, Miatas, Camaros, Coupe BMW's, etc, etc. Apparently Toyo and Subaru sell enough BRZ's (low volume) to keep it coming here. The GR-4 is not some 50k car. It would be in the 30k range. In today's pricing, especially vs. the average new car price for sale in the USDM, it's not big money. But it's to spec, too driver focused for it come here. Because people expect it to be a daily driver, and haul their kids, and their shopping trips. I am not complaining about you, I'm complaining about the American public/buyers at large. They suck. And by suck I mean CUV all the things, that sucks. And it's why we don't get these types of cars.

Bike sales have tanked because millennials are more into their phones, or devices, social media, being IG influencers, etc. When I was that age my social media was going outside and doing things without being tethered to the internet 24/7. That and bikes have severely increased in price. They decided at some point that everything needed to be newb friendly. So they put every imaginable riding nanny on them and the prices went severely up. They did it to themselves. I have 3 bikes and haven't bought one in 7 years and have no plans to because mine have no TC or riding nannies on them whatsoever. Pure machines. The 2020's, all of them, are techno-laden nightmares.

And everything in society has to be kid friendly these days. That's not just vehicles that's so many things. How many years did it take Marvel or DC to make a rated R superho film? And even Reynolds had to plead the case for a decade straight. It's just the world today. Phones, social media, streaming, CUV's, and a bunch of bs.

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I'm not blaming anyone with kids. Have ten of them. Not my concern. The realistic fact is it is a major deal in the USDM to make sporty vehicles pull double duty, period. Hardcore cars like this will only come here (CTR, Golf R, STI) if they are 5 doors for this very reason.
Yeah, wish my FiST was 3 door.. as they have it in other countries. But at this point I'm not complaining because at least the car has a turbo and MT. That's what really makes a fun street car anyway, unless big displacement.

I tend to forget my STI has rear doors as it is such a sports car in disguise. My Golf-R is a fantastic GT car for weekends.
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Pre lets start listing desirable/performance oriented cars on the market with fewer than four doors and performance "family" cars on the market with four or more doors and see who's list is shorter. The reason more of the fun cars are coupes vs. 3dr hatchbacks is because the majority of the American car buying public doesn't like hatchbacks for some reason.

It's not coming here because Toyota doesn't think enough people will buy it to merit the costs of bringing it here; the amount of doors it has probably doesn't even enter into their equation. Yaris sales have been on a steep decline in the US for years, they move a couple thousand units annually now. We know this Yaris is special, but we are a tiny part of the car buying public; unless Toyota taps into Fords hype machine style marketing system and puts Ken Block on the payroll to attract flat-brimmers, they will have a hard time moving a Yaris with a sticker north of $30k+. Stop trying to put the blame on people with kids, and put it where it belongs, with the manufacturer and the non-enthusiasts (aka. the majority of the buying public); they care more about tech and unnecessary ride height than driver engagement and performance.

I would personally make a 5dr version of the GR-4 work, I'm only 5'-10, my wife is 5'-5, we are not large people, and I doubt my son will be very tall. Cramming him into the back of a 3dr hatch while he is still in a 5pt seat however just won't happen for me. Furthermore, anyone much taller than me is going to have a bad time fitting in a car like this, my wife owned a Yaris for years and it was a tight fit and ergonomically difficult to say the least.
The GR-4 isn't going to be made in large numbers. It's a Homologation special. 25,000 units worldwide.
They would have zero problem moving whatever few they brought to the US.

Most auto makers just haven't figured out that all of us who learned to drive on late 80s-90s Japanese cars are now of an age where we have some disposable income and would absolutely buy new cars that capture a little bit of that nostalgia with a little more kick under the hood.
VW seems to get it with the GTI, Jeep have learned that people want a reminder of the Jeeps they knew and loved growing up except with modern comforts and they're outselling the Camry now, Honda took a crack at it with the new Type R, but they forgot that we've grown up past the body kit and underglow neon years and would much rather have a simpler design like the EK type R.

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2 door coupe, acceptible. 3 door hatch unacceptable. I don't hear the same whining about Mustangs, Porsches, BRZ's, Corvettes, Miatas, Camaros, Coupe BMW's, etc, etc.
The difference is that the vehicles you list above either have 4 door alternatives, or fit the definition of "sports car" or "pony car". A hatchback is not a "sports car". While people like you and I are happy to look past the form and focus on the function, it's become clear to me that a large number of American automobile enthusiasts cannot. They see a hatch and immediately say "next". In other countries, the opposite is true, but here in this country, we're anomalies... Sad but true reality.

What really bugs me, is that the number of "anomalies" here in the US likely exceed the number of people in other countries that meet the same criteria, but because the US is viewed as one consumer base, we get f'ed.

but honestly, I'm partly guilty as well. I look at a hatchback, and knowing it's versatility, it automatically has more appeal to me. I think: "hey, it's only 3 doors but if it's big enough in side, it could probably work". That's why I was interested in the car in the first place. A small awd hatch has been a dream for a long time, and this is one. Do I look at a BRZ and think "hey, that could work"? Nope. I don't. It's a small ass 2 seater that won't work. But I had optimism that this would work. I had optimism that it would come in at a price point that it might make sense sitting next to a Leaf as a DD. But unfortunately the high 30's price tag (looking at equivalent vehicle prices) means that it couldn't be a 3rd car in my driveway. It would have to replace my R, and being at almost the same price, just can't justify the change.

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The difference is that the vehicles you list above either have 4 door alternatives, or fit the definition of "sports car" or "pony car". A hatchback is not a "sports car". While people like you and I are happy to look past the form and focus on the function, it's become clear to me that a large number of American automobile enthusiasts cannot. They see a hatch and immediately say "next". In other countries, the opposite is true, but here in this country, we're anomalies... Sad but true reality.
Agreed. WRC is not big here. But if you want to change things, you must use marketing/advertising, because Americans are stupid, very stupid. The difference from today to I don't know, say 25 years ago, is enthusiasts read magazines back then. They sought out information on new models coming to the US or potentially coming to the US, read the reviews from professional journalists instead of the like, subscribe, and hit notification button from some clown. I think if you got some enthusiasts from every type of sport-y car out there, from the various groups, and got them behind the wheel of a GR-4 ish would change. Nothing will change without marketing or advertising as it pertains to the masses. Ford did a road tour of the Ranger when they introduced it back to the UDSM. Taking a truck load of them to many major cities to let people sample the thing. That's one thing they could do. The GR-4 has already been built, etc. It's not like me, you, or "us" are going to these various mfr's and saying "Hey come up with a 3 door hot hatch", it's already built, R&D paid for, etc. This situation reminds me of the Levorg. Then there is Toyo wanting to change their image in the United States. This is one model that could do it and reverse the trend of thinking Toyo cars are Vanilla AF. As 4S pointed out, it's light so it won't be bogged down by a heavier AWD system, engine, etc, etc. It's like the Miata of the class.

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What really bugs me, is that the number of "anomalies" here in the US likely exceed the number of people in other countries that meet the same criteria, but because the US is viewed as one consumer base, we get f'ed.
100%. It pisses me off to to no end. I wouldn't call it anomalies, I'd call it the real enthusiasts. You could call it niche but there are too many of us as you point out. My goodness look at the clientele Toyo could poach from. EVO owners and previous owners, likewise STI, Golf R/GTI, Focus RS/ST, MS3, etc. I've met and talked to so many owners of these cars that rarely use the back seats on any kind of regular basis. And to get a WRC homolagation production car they'd make the sacrifice. There are enough here, more so, to justify getting a slice of that pie. That's my frustration with this. Toyo USA even queried our market about it.

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but honestly, I'm partly guilty as well. I look at a hatchback, and knowing it's versatility, it automatically has more appeal to me. I think: "hey, it's only 3 doors but if it's big enough in side, it could probably work". That's why I was interested in the car in the first place. A small awd hatch has been a dream for a long time, and this is one. Do I look at a BRZ and think "hey, that could work"? Nope. I don't. It's a small ass 2 seater that won't work. But I had optimism that this would work. I had optimism that it would come in at a price point that it might make sense sitting next to a Leaf as a DD. But unfortunately the high 30's price tag (looking at equivalent vehicle prices) means that it couldn't be a 3rd car in my driveway. It would have to replace my R, and being at almost the same price, just can't justify the change.
The performance pack version would certainly be high 30k range. No doubt. The non-diffs model would be 32k.

See I view all of this differently. I used to do like many, and sell/trade/buy new vehicles every few years. I broke out the calculator about 10 years ago and started getting into it. 2009/2010 I figured out, as an enthusiast, I had been doing all this wrong for 10 years. I, like many, was purchasing a more expensive car making it do everything. Commuting, twisties, track, everything, all in one. 10 years ago I decided this was pretty stupid. I did the math and it didn't check out. The higher the price, the less I should be daily driving it. Once you are at 30, 40k range or more, depreciation is a major factor. I mean you can justify anything if the heart intervenes with the wallet. For me I just decided that daily driving, parking at the gym, grocery store, shopping, all the mundane driving I have to do, is dumb in anything performance related. I see Vette, Camaro, RS, STi, Porsches, all sorts of performance cars at work and just think it's stupid to sit in bumper to bumper in them. They cost too much for that kind of mileage rack up doing lame boring driving. It just doesn't make sense to me at all. A friend on here believes the same. I remember when he bought a Fit for a DD, and he lives on the East coast where they get the harsh winters. Then he bought a high HP RWD platform at the same time. When he did that, I was like damn, he was on another level, very smart, image didn't even factor into it, it was the enthusiast meets intelligence. So smart applying that to his dd and enthusiast solutions. Honestly if I needed more range than what my Leaf provides, my DD would be a Fit, the sport Manual version. He got his higher trim manual CPO for something ridiculous like $12.5k and it had like maybe 9-10k on the ODO. I'd never drive the performance car he bought at the same time to work. In any job I have better to be in the Fit than in something more expensive. Nice cars draw attention.

I no longer think one car can do it all, as you always get the compromises, and too many of them. To me better to have an inexpensive economy car to milk MPG, rack up the mileage, etc. Pick one very reliable, inexpensive, buy it, drive it, pay it off and drive it until the wheels fall off. Then have the 2nd car or third car(SO), and this is important.....the one that is going to cost you 30 something k, 40k, or whatever price you can afford. For me when I did the math, 2 vehicles, instead of one do it all, well 2 vehicles outlast the single one, by a large margin. The math checked out for me. It checked out because I'm not putting all my miles on my DD or my fun car, the mileage is split, so both vehicles will last a very very long time. 10 years or more. So financially it checked out.

My Leaf, I've been DD'ing for 6 years now. First 3 were the lease, the last 3 were bought miles. It's paid off. It had full bumper to bumper during the lease. When I bought it after 3 years, I was able to buy a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty for $1600 direct from Nissan, not 3rd party. And the kicker is the 7 year started when I purchased it, not from day 1 of the lease. So that ended up being 10 year bumper to bumper warranty. And I will DD it for probably 15 years total. I have 4 years left on that b2b warranty and then will drive it for 5 more years with no warranty (this will be the period when I'm paying off/financing a used high RWD platform), or perhaps I'll buy a 3rd party warranty from someone reputable. We'll see how it goes. Same would go for a Fit. Even if I was putting 10k-12k a year on it for DD purposes, a Fit will last 15 years, at least 10 years minimum. It's an economy car with a simple drivetrain and powertrain.

So anyways this is why a 2nd car makes sense to me. Instead of something compromised (to me) like a STI sedan. I'd much rather have a GR-4. Smaller wheelbase, lighter weight, smaller and more fun in the handling dept and it still has rear seats in a jam. The Toyo becomes my fun/weekend/track/hoon vehicle. And since it's not my DD, would last 20 years. 5-6k would be put on it per year. And you can talk that insurance cost, which is valid, but you can work the insurance co's (I use a broker) and get a policy for weekend, or non-work/commuting, and put it at 5-6k a year. I have this mileage set on my policies now to keep costs down and under control. It's also set so I can drive the other vehicle to work on occasion, just not every day. I made sure in case the DD breaks down, but even then the service dept will give a loaner, or I can rent a car cheap during. This severely mitigates the additional insurance costs of both vehicles. And it's nice to have a DD that will be driven in all weather conditions, parked in all the places, that you don't care so much about. Get a scratch or something, rock chip, whatever, you just aren't bothered like you would DD'ing your STi, Golf R, Mustang, Camaro, or whatever performance car. Then if the performance car you've bought, starts having issues at low mileage indicating perhaps a long term issue, like I had with my Focus RS, well I have service dept. fix the damn thing, and can dump it and get most of my $ back because I didn't rack the miles up on it as my DD. I lost 3k from purchase price to sell price in the better part of 2 years. I did the math on purchase to sell/trade, it cost me about $175 a month. When I factor in what I added to the car that didn't get back out of it (cleabra/tint, etc), it was $200 and some change a month I lost. Meh, take my money. That's cheaper than a lease by a very large margin and I'm vey clean.

To close and add. We are living in a throw away society. People want new new, whether it's a car, phone, or flat screen. Nobody wants to keep anything anymore. I guess I'm the exception to that rule. For 10 years I've switched my thinking. I make damn sure when I buy something now I keep it. And I buy it on the pretense it's being bought until it won't run or becomes cost prohibitive to keep fixing. The only exception is if I start having issues with it at low mileage. That's what happened on the RS. Had I not run into 3 issues in 12 months, all relating to warranty work/recall work, it'd be in the garage and I'd be done with the performance game for 10, 15, or 20 years. Having a separate DD and fun car provides redundancy that's worth more to me than what the insignificant additional costs are (when calculated for long term use of both).

The GR-4 caused another additional pivot from me. That's the car I've been waiting for all my driving life, the car, that fits me, and I guess my niche for a performance AWD rally/production car as I'll always prefer AWD over RWD in a fun car so I can drive it in any weather condition. But due to the average Murican buyer and their bs, well I'm planning on a high HP RWD platform now because that's my only option. And as it turns out those are much cheaper for me to insure than a STi, Golf R or anything in that class. The insurance on the signature pony cars, or a Vette, is less than 50% of the AWD turbo econobox class. I just checked a STi vs. a GT350/ZL1, Z06, GS, or C7 z51. Over a 10 year period they Pony/Vettes are $8000 less to insure. Now I wait for them to depreciate some more and I'll swing in and get one that's still got some factory warranty left on the powertrain so I can convert it to b2b, and extend it. Buy a 2nd set of wheels/tires for winter and be done with all of this. The GR-4 broke my back. I wish we could get one, just one, from any mfr, WRC homologation car. 3 door hatch, AWD, diffs, selectable modes for the drivetrain with a decent motor. They just built it, and won't bring it here. Same will go for anyone else. Guilty by association living here meanwhile these small markets, compared to ours, get it. Just tired of it. Making lemonade and will get a RWD beast instead I guess. I can't beat them so I'll just join them. I want to enjoy a stick and some power again.
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LOL.

What did Obi-Wan say in ESB? "There is another"

Just spoke to my insurance broker again. There is 'hope'. I rattled off GT350, C7 z51/GS/Z06, Camaro ZL1, blah blah, and he said "covered", any of them, even just a SS can get the one off cheap insurance policy since it's not used for work. He basically said if it's a performance car, and 2 doors, he can cover it through this insurance carrier as it gets labeled as collector, whatever, just not a DD.

So that means if Subaru flips switches and makes the all new STi a coupe, it would be game for $520 a year full coverage. But he said if it's 4 doors, forget it, because it would be considered a "family" vehicle. I couldn't make this sheot up. I'm happy and pissed at the same time. Happy as I can get a monster for cheap insurance. (Most vehicles here even with multi-line discount tied in with homeowners are $100 a month each here). Happy that if the new STi is a coupe, it's a done deal. Happy if I can get a Shelby for what I want to pay. But still pissed because the GR-4 would qualify for cheap insurance, collectible car. He said the deal breaker with them is if it has 4 doors. The irony is priceless.

Bring on the STi coupe. I want to see people cry.
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Agreed..........

ONE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED THIRTY SEVEN OTHER WORDS.......



............again.
WOW


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So the GR4 is cheaper than the GTI in Europe.

Meaning it would be like $30k here, and $34k for performance package. That'd sell easily here. It's not much more than the Veloster N.
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This concept has worked for Lotus...
Has it though? Among the makers of hot cars that I grew up thinking about (Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, and Lotus), Lotus is by far least successful.
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At least the transmission will shift propery unlike the Ford. Ford stock is down to $6.49 so should we buy on a contrarian move or wait till it goes broke or merges with another maker ?
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At least the transmission will shift propery unlike the Ford. Ford stock is down to $6.49 so should we buy on a contrarian move or wait till it goes broke or merges with another maker ?
I'm not familiar with the brand, but my FiST shifts fine. It's like a Honda gearbox, very slick and toggle switch-like. Honestly I was quite pleasantly surprised by my FiST how well it drives. Plenty of low RPM grunt torque too.
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Old 03-07-2020, 06:51 PM   #41
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Maybe he's referencing the crappy DCT used in the non-ST/RS Fiesta and Focus. Then there's the MT-82 Chineseum M/T gearbox in the non-Shelby badged Mustangs.

We should accept the fact Toyota USA is a bunch of p*****s for not bringing the GR-4 here. More resigned to the higher probability of a weak-*** Corolla hatch version in the future as a "substitute" to shut up the rest of the people who would rather not CUV/SUV. Then again, don't recall anyone asking Toyota to sell their version of a CTR.
What I had better not see is some FWD-only version of the US market Mazda-based Yaris 4-door with a "GR-4 inspired sport package". Especially if VarmintCong's price projections are correct - $30 ~ $34k? Where do I sign?
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While GR Yaris isn't hitting the states…perhaps it's time the U.S. got a hot hatch to call its own. Join the Toyota GR family and never miss an update: https://t.co/qsPgFbY2TI pic.twitter.com/CmD1ozxwVQ

— Toyota USA (@Toyota) May 7, 2020
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While GR Yaris isn't hitting the states…perhaps it's time the U.S. got a hot hatch to call its own. Join the Toyota GR family and never miss an update: https://t.co/qsPgFbY2TI pic.twitter.com/CmD1ozxwVQ

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Old 05-08-2020, 09:31 AM   #44
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While GR Yaris isn't hitting the states…perhaps it's time the U.S. got a hot hatch to call its own. Join the Toyota GR family and never miss an update: https://t.co/qsPgFbY2TI pic.twitter.com/CmD1ozxwVQ

— Toyota USA (@Toyota) May 7, 2020
Thank you. Signed up but I'm still really bummed about the GR.

Will be interesting to see if the next WRX offers a hatch to compete with this upcoming Toyota offering.
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It’s the gr corolla, with the Yaris motor and weight and bulk of th corolla. Oh and with no awd or mechanical diff. It’s already been announced. Toyota is giving the US a giant middle finger
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This is all looking like a higher strained Focus ST replacement.
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It’s the gr corolla, with the Yaris motor and weight and bulk of th corolla. Oh and with no awd or mechanical diff. It’s already been announced. Toyota is giving the US a giant middle finger
Have a link to the confirmation there won't be a mechanical diff?
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Have a link to the confirmation there won't be a mechanical diff?
With 250 hp and FWD I'm sure it'll have an LSD or it'll drive retarded.
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Default New Toyota GR Yaris: 257bhp hot hatch on sale from £29,995 | Autocar The GR Yaris is

UK deliveries for rally-derived, four-wheel-drive performance car set to begin in November

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New Toyota GR Yaris: 257bhp hot hatch on sale from £29,995

The GR Yaris is built on a special four-wheel-drive version of Toyota’s TNGA architecture, with the front end of the GA-B small car platform – as used on the new Yaris – and the rear from the GA-C of the larger Corolla.

Compared with the regular Yaris, the new machine has an entirely different body, with a lower roof, three doors instead of five and significantly reworked bodywork to aid aerodynamics.

The GR Yaris is 3995mm long and 1805mm wide, with a wheelbase of 2558mm. The front track is 1530mm and the rear track is 1560mm.

The bodywork makes extensive use of carbonfibre polymer and aluminium to reduce weight. It also includes a substantially wider rear track than the regular Yaris, along with new double-wishbone rear suspension. Kerb weight is 1280kg.

Only limited technical information was available when Autocar drove the GR Yaris, but Toyota later confirmed that the turbocharged 1.6-litre three-cylinder engine will produce a maximum of 257bhp and 265lb ft.



The engine is mated to a six-speed Intelligent Manual Transmission (IMT) gearbox, with permanent four-wheel drive delivered by Toyota’s new GR-Four system. This uses a multi-plate clutch and can vary power to all four wheels, with three preset levels of torque distribution, including a wholly rear-biased one. The GR Yaris features 356mm grooved front disc brakes that utilise four-pot calipers.

Pre-orders have already opened for the hot hatch in Japan, where it's being being offered initially in limited-run RZ First Edition and RZ High Performance First Edition guises. Both models feature bodywork styling tweaks and elements, along with other design features.

The GR Yaris will be produced on a dedicated Gazoo Racing line at Toyota’s production facility in Motomachi, Japan, that uses a large number of manual processes.






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That would definitely look cool next to my Supra.. oh well. Looks like a fun car we will never get to buy.
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