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Old 05-15-2020, 07:29 AM   #1
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Default New 296bhp Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport on the way




The track-focused Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport is set to get a big power boost and new Nurburgring developed chassis settings


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New 296bhp Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport on the way

The wraps have only just come off the latest-generation Volkswagen Golf GTI, but these latest spy shots suggest that the brandís engineers are hard at work developing a new member of the Mk8 GTI family at the Nurburgring.

Itís likely to be the next VW Golf GTI Clubsport, which will be revealed later in the year as a new halo model for the GTI, but will still sit beneath the upcoming Golf R in terms of power and grip.

While the R has long been the Golfís all-wheel-drive flagship model, the GTI Clubsport sticks with front-wheel-drive and delivers a smaller curb weight, while introducing several modifications over the regular GTI. These spy shots show a new, slightly larger spoiler on top of the hatch lid, new, oval shaped exhaust tips, fresh wheels, while larger, ventilated brake disks are spotted at the front, and the whole car rides lower.

According to a leaked internal document that hit the web before in advance of the 242bhp GTIís reveal in March, the ĎTCRí, as it was then labelled, was set to develop 296bhp. Power comes from Volkswagenís venerable 2.0-litre turbocharged EA888 petrol engine, with drive sent to the front wheels through either a six-speed manual gearbox, or the brandís seven-speed DSG automatic.

While new cars are frequently spied testing at the Nurburgring during their development, a Volkswagen insider told Auto Express earlier in the year that the circuit forms a core element of the new Clubsportís development programme, and that models such as this have been a key part of the GTI family since the introduction of the Mk5 model in 2005.

ďLooking back, the GTI was sometimes like a trim line, and then Volkswagen decided to get it really back to the GTI. This car will be even more GTI than its predecessors.

ďIn the GTI Clubsport we will have a Nurburgring function which is a special chassis setup we have developed at the Nurburgring.Ē The inside source also told us that the brandís engineers are working on developing a specific steering system for the Clubsport to replace the regular GTIís.




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Old 05-15-2020, 09:23 AM   #2
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That's very cool.. however still needs AWD to plant all that power down on the streets.

I welcome the next gen Golf-R.
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Old 05-15-2020, 10:42 AM   #3
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That's very cool.. however still needs AWD to plant all that power down on the streets.
Having owned one, you are incorrect. Sticky tires with that fancy front LSD puts ALL the power down.

The weight savings over the Golf-R also makes the GTI way more tossable and fun to drive.
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Old 05-15-2020, 11:22 AM   #4
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You've owned the new GTI?
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Old 05-15-2020, 11:41 AM   #5
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That's very cool.. however still needs AWD to plant all that power down on the streets.

I welcome the next gen Golf-R.
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Having owned one, you are incorrect. Sticky tires with that fancy front LSD puts ALL the power down.

The weight savings over the Golf-R also makes the GTI way more tossable and fun to drive.
See this reason.

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You've owned the new GTI?
He had a gti prior with the new lsd setup. Iíve also had a gti and with solid tires, youíre 100% fine. Will you still spin them if your punch it from a stop? Yep. You know what else does? Rear wheel drive cars, except they get sideways. So if wheel spin is the only argument then realistically we should all only own AWD cars.

I drove my gti in Seattle with good rain tires and canít say I ever had a problem. If youíre spinning tires in the rain with good rain oriented tires, well, youíre probably driving like an idiot and not appropriate for the conditions.

The GTi is damn near all the car of the R whit a basic tune. Itís a complete blast to drive on twisty roads and fun on curved on and off ramps while offering a pretty comfortable ride and good quality.

The gti is not a sports car but itís a damn fun and Iíd say best bang for the buck all around performance oriented car in a reasonable price range.
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Old 05-15-2020, 11:50 AM   #6
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He had a gti prior with the new lsd setup. Iíve also had a gti and with solid tires, youíre 100% fine. Will you still spin them if your punch it from a stop? Yep. You know what else does? Rear wheel drive cars, except they get sideways. So if wheel spin is the only argument then realistically we should all only own AWD cars.

I drove my gti in Seattle with good rain tires and canít say I ever had a problem. If youíre spinning tires in the rain with good rain oriented tires, well, youíre probably driving like an idiot and not appropriate for the conditions.

The GTi is damn near all the car of the R whit a basic tune. Itís a complete blast to drive on twisty roads and fun on curved on and off ramps while offering a pretty comfortable ride and good quality.

The gti is not a sports car but itís a damn fun and Iíd say best bang for the buck all around performance oriented car in a reasonable price range.
I'm guessing the power figure for the old car is in the 242 range quoted in the article, at 296 for the new one I'm curious how directly the driving experience will translate between the two. More horsepower and torque in a FWD car tends to exacerbate traction issues from my experience with them.
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Needs wide body and more wheel tire with less nanny.
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I'm guessing the power figure for the old car is in the 242 range quoted in the article, at 296 for the new one I'm curious how directly the driving experience will translate between the two. More horsepower and torque in a FWD car tends to exacerbate traction issues from my experience with them.
Torque is the number you need to look at if wheel spin is your concern.

The MK7 is basically 260ftlbs, all of which come on VERY early in the rev range unlike an STI. With the stock tires you do get wheel spin, and even with sticky tires a little too... But the fancy diff holds the fort extremely well.

If the clubsport has another 30ftlbs and 50hp, it won't be a problem especially since the larger turbo used in the Golf R is probably whats in that car and the torque band is higher in the rev range.

Here is my Mk7 with 245 RE71Rs launching:

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That level seems acceptable, as long as it stays there with the extra oomph.
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The MK7.5 has the 7 speed DSG and in current form sucks. It cuts power everywhere. Adding 60 more power or a fancy diff is useless if VW never lets you use it.
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The MK7.5 has the 7 speed DSG and in current form sucks. It cuts power everywhere. Adding 60 more power or a fancy diff is useless if VW never lets you use it.
I've heard the new 7 speed has issues... Kinda sad really, the 6 speed was perfect.
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Bog starts. Cuts power. Always in up gear. It's my wife's fun car, but is less fun than our base no eDiff MK7 was. The brakes and warranty are the only awesome benefit of the MK7.5.
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Having owned one, you are incorrect. Sticky tires with that fancy front LSD puts ALL the power down.

The weight savings over the Golf-R also makes the GTI way more tossable and fun to drive.
You owned a TCR with the same LSD on the new TCR?

I've owned the MK7 GTI with the performance package or whatever e-LSD it was called on my Autobahn and it was wheel spin fever even on sticky tires like Cup's and even worse on colder wet days running other tires like DWS06. I hate FWD cars in general.
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Well they fixed that for the 7.5 and 7 speed DSG!
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LOL.. I'm so glad I got rid of my GTI; that thing was such a nightmare with its crappy DSG and wheel spin.
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The MK7.5 has the 7 speed DSG and in current form sucks. It cuts power everywhere. Adding 60 more power or a fancy diff is useless if VW never lets you use it.
Man I don't know....this definitely does NOT sound like mine ('19 SE DSG w/ experience package).
put it in sport mode, slap it over into manual shifting, and just mash the gas.
It's crazy how much it pulls...
Might sound weird, but due to the size and weight it's way more fun than my 5.0's were. The discounts they had on the leftover 19's made it a no brainer.
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We have that exact package. Perhaps I'm comparing it to the '16 GTI we had, but it has cut power on multiple occasions and starts are reigned in. Never needed manual mode. The 7 speed lost the surge feeling too. It's just more tame with too much nanny. Kind of like my MK5 was.
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LOL.. I'm so glad I got rid of my GTI; that thing was such a nightmare with its crappy DSG and wheel spin.
I love the GTI, owned few of them but the FWD is a buzzkill.

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Man I don't know....this definitely does NOT sound like mine ('19 SE DSG w/ experience package).
put it in sport mode, slap it over into manual shifting, and just mash the gas.
It's crazy how much it pulls...
Might sound weird, but due to the size and weight it's way more fun than my 5.0's were. The discounts they had on the leftover 19's made it a no brainer.
This is getting really tempting - lot of 2019 SE 6MTs w/ Exp package still around in dealers, and going for about $26-27k I think. Only white and black, but I like white.
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This is getting really tempting - lot of 2019 SE 6MTs w/ Exp package still around in dealers, and going for about $26-27k I think. Only white and black, but I like white.
That's basically what I did - My '19 (bought in Feb) is the white silver color, sticker was ~$35,100 (dealer added mats, first aid kit, yadda yadda), reduced to just over $27K PLUS you get the nice long warrantee (if I can stop being an idiot and manage to keep a car past it's first f&$King oil change) made it a compelling deal.
We're going to put a LOT of miles on it this coming weekend so I will be able to get a better feel for how it is on trips then.
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I've got a 2017 DSG GTI S and with a good set of tires, wheel spin isn't much of an issue for me.

Now the stock all seasons, yeah, wheel spin was an issue, those tires were terrible. It helps to turn off TCS too, it can be pretty intrusive.
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