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Old 10-17-2019, 02:05 AM   #1
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Question 30k Service??

Hey guys,

I have a new 2018 Impreza with 34k miles. I've been quoted from $350-$953 to perform the following "30k" services:

- Replace: Air cleaner element
- Replace: Brake Fluid / Clutch Fluid (Manual Only)
- Replace: Engine oil
- Replace: Engine oil filter
- Perform: Rotate and Inspect Tires
- Inspect: Fuel systems, lines and connections
- Inspect: Engine Coolant Systems, hoses and connections
- Inspect: CVT Fluid
- Inspect: Drive belt(s) [Except camshaft]
- Inspect: Transmission/Differential (Front & Rear) lubricants (Gear oil)

After speaking with a family mechanic, he told me that pretty much everything is bull**** and that I don't need any of it other than a oil change and a few basic things. He said engine oil and filter would only be needed. Since it's a new car.

What do you guys think? Honestly, it sucks not trusting any of these mechanics..
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:07 AM   #2
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he's right

the diff will be filthy at 30k on a new car, but the rest does not need done

Mine has 95k on it and I'm still on the factory belts
brake fluid is more like a 100k flush, not 30k

and fuel system lines and connections????? what are they going to do??
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:08 AM   #3
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he's right

the diff will be filthy at 30k on a new car, but the rest does not need done

Mine has 95k on it and I'm still on the factory belts
brake fluid is more like a 100k flush, not 30k

and fuel system lines and connections????? what are they going to do??
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:29 AM   #4
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Are you capable of changing the oil? If so, do it. If not, bring it to an independent mechanic and have it done.
Are you capable of driving to Auto Zone and picking up an air filter and changing that? If so, so it. If not, bring it to an independent mechanic and have it done.

If you want to really take very good care of your car, replace diff and tranny fluid. You can use the exact same stuff, so the # of bottles will be an even number. This can be a pain, but it isn't really super difficult. If you can't do it, bring your car to an independent mechanic and have them do it.
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:20 AM   #5
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and fuel system lines and connections????? what are they going to do??
It clearly says inspect next to it.


To the OP, this is what we do for our 30k services at the dealership.

-oil chance
-rotate and balance the rear tires going to the front
-air filter
-pcv
-battery service
-check over the vehicle to make sure there's nothing abnormal going on

CVT fluid when if first came out was supposedly "lifetime fluid". It's rare that someone wants to flush or do a drain and fill on a cvt. We used to do drain and fills every 30k on the older auto's.
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:06 AM   #6
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It clearly says inspect next to it.

-battery service
what exactly is a battery service?
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:19 AM   #7
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what exactly is a battery service?
Test the battery, clean the top from dirt/debris, clean terminals and cable ends, spray terminals and cable ends with sealer.
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Old 10-17-2019, 04:13 PM   #8
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So should I just do the following services?

- Inspect differential
- Replace: Engine oil
- Replace: Engine oil filter
- Perform: Rotate and Inspect Tires

I've been doing engine oil, engine oil filter, and rotate and inspect tires every 6k and it seems wasting money for them to inspect other stuff every 12k... Then I should just treat this like a normal service and do only the usual?

For 60k, they told me I'd need to cough up $1k for more services.. lol
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Old 10-17-2019, 04:36 PM   #9
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keep receipts in a journal of sorts if you care to maintain factory warranty
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Old 10-17-2019, 04:41 PM   #10
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Brake (and clutch) fluid is not a "lifetime" fluid; have the system flushed.

Replace the cabin air-filter.

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Old 10-18-2019, 10:31 AM   #11
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Brake (and clutch) fluid is not a "lifetime" fluid; have the system flushed.

Replace the cabin air-filter.
saying something is not a lifetime fluid and saying it needs to be flushed every 30k are pretty far off of one another.

total waste of money to do brake and clutch fluid that early
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:00 PM   #12
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saying something is not a lifetime fluid and saying it needs to be flushed every 30k are pretty far off of one another.

total waste of money to do brake and clutch fluid that early
Your previous post suggests that brake fluid is effectively a lifetime fluid when the FSM states to change every 30k miles.

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he's right

the diff will be filthy at 30k on a new car, but the rest does not need done

Mine has 95k on it and I'm still on the factory belts
brake fluid is more like a 100k flush, not 30k

and fuel system lines and connections????? what are they going to do??
Regardless, I'm not looking to get into a kerfuffle over this.

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With regard to differential or transmission fluids, what is the definition of "inspect"? Send out for a lab analysis to determine whether the fluid/oil is still viable?
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Your previous post suggests that brake fluid is effectively a lifetime fluid when the FSM states to change every 30k miles.

With regard to differential or transmission fluids, what is the definition of "inspect"? Send out for a lab analysis to determine whether the fluid/oil is still viable?
I guess we have very different opinions on what the 'lifetime' of a modern car is. I would say 100k is at most half, if not a third of the life of a vehicle that isn't totaled in an accident or abused badly.

Does the manual really say every 30k for brake fluid? I can't believe that.

As for 'what does inspect mean' for tranny fluid. It means the tech smears some on his fingers and checks a box.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:16 PM   #14
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Brake fluid can get compromised. Brake fluid boils when it gets to hot, creating moisture which causes rust. There are test strips and fluid testing devices that are less than $10. Brake fluid is cheap and easy to flush. Hell throw speed bleeders on and you can have your kids do it while you watch it’s so easy. I like to follow the guidelines and service my vehicles accordingly.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:28 PM   #15
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Brake fluid boils when it gets to hot, creating moisture
a) this sentence hurt my brain to read
b) you don't think you can boil brake fluid on the street right? So you must be referring to ultra extreme track use, in which case sure, maintenance schedules are not even close to a street vehicle
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How the hell would you know what this guys driving conditions are, most of your comments hurt my brain to read, most are off the cuff nonsense. I clearly stated CAN BE, as in it’s a possibility. There are other situations besides “ultra extreme track use” aren’t there?
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ha
the part that hurt was saying it boils and creates moisture, which is ludicrous to say that brake fluid creates water by boiling ok.
How would it create water?

And don't you think he would have mentioned if he was tracking in extreme conditions?

But feel free to let me know which comment of mine hurt your brain and I will respond to the part that was painful.
Please let me know how brake fluid creates water in the meantime.
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Old 10-19-2019, 04:07 AM   #18
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If he wants to keep the warranty he has to follow the maintenance schedule whether he agrees with it or not.

My question is how there is a $600 discrepancy between these services, and on what planet could these services possibly add up to nearly $1k?? $350 for everything is pushing it, how in the world did they arrive at $953 for this 15 minutes of work?

Jesus Christ man, find a Subie shop in your area, you live in California that's ground zero for ****ing Subaru shops.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:22 PM   #19
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If he wants to keep the warranty he has to follow the maintenance schedule whether he agrees with it or not.

My question is how there is a $600 discrepancy between these services, and on what planet could these services possibly add up to nearly $1k?? $350 for everything is pushing it, how in the world did they arrive at $953 for this 15 minutes of work?

Jesus Christ man, find a Subie shop in your area, you live in California that's ground zero for ****ing Subaru shops.
I found a local Subaru shop and decided to do the following for $120:
- Inspect differential
- Replace engine oil
- Replace engine oil filter
- Perform rotation and inspect tires

The only difference between this and my regular 12k service is the diff.

I drove 30k in one year in california, so hopefully that gives more context on my driving conditions. I don't drive like an idiot and I average 28-30 mpg.

My car has 36k mile warranty and I'm already on 34k, so I figured screw paying an extra $500-$900 and screw the dealerships all together.

Would love to hear if the information I just provided changes things or not and what you guys think about those services. Appreciate everyone's help!
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I guess we have very different opinions on what the 'lifetime' of a modern car is. I would say 100k is at most half, if not a third of the life of a vehicle that isn't totaled in an accident or abused badly.

Does the manual really say every 30k for brake fluid? I can't believe that.

As for 'what does inspect mean' for tranny fluid. It means the tech smears some on his fingers and checks a box.
Yes, the service manual does say to change the brake/clutch fluid every 30k miles or 30 months.

Brake fluid is hygroscopic, which means it tends to absorb moisture from the air. No, the cap on the master-cylinder (or clutch-cylinder) does not fully seal the system, so that means there is a likelihood of some, perhaps negligible, perhaps more than negligible moisture absorption.

I get it about the gear-oil. Regardless, 'they' don't define "inspect". Inspect most-likely means to make sure there are no leaks or that the factory did in deed fill the differential/transmission than to test its remaining effective life.
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My question is how there is a $600 discrepancy between these services, and on what planet could these services possibly add up to nearly $1k?? $350 for everything is pushing it, how in the world did they arrive at $953 for this 15 minutes of work?
In general, I agree with this.

Are they breaking up the work into a-la-carte items? Dealerships and independent shops in my area start at $150 per labor hour. It would be interesting to see a quote for this and not a generalized quote with a $600 spread in the middle. Define it.

If one were willing and able to pay say $750 for this service, I would expect that all of the fluids would also be changed and be included in this price.
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Yes, the service manual does say to change the brake/clutch fluid every 30k miles or 30 months.

Brake fluid is hygroscopic, which means it tends to absorb moisture from the air. No, the cap on the master-cylinder (or clutch-cylinder) does not fully seal the system, so that means there is a likelihood of some, perhaps negligible, perhaps more than negligible moisture absorption.

I get it about the gear-oil. Regardless, 'they' don't define "inspect". Inspect most-likely means to make sure there are no leaks or that the factory did in deed fill the differential/transmission than to test its remaining effective life.
We used to recommend diff changes at 60k mile intervals. Itís pretty dirty by then and it gets pretty nasty the longer you wait.
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In general, I agree with this.

Are they breaking up the work into a-la-carte items? Dealerships and independent shops in my area start at $150 per labor hour. It would be interesting to see a quote for this and not a generalized quote with a $600 spread in the middle. Define it.

If one were willing and able to pay say $750 for this service, I would expect that all of the fluids would also be changed and be included in this price.
Iíd have to double check but I believe our 30/90k services run $500-$550. Our labor rate is $120 an hour. 1k was probably a private shop that had no clue what they were doing.
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I found a local Subaru shop and decided to do the following for $120:
- Inspect differential
- Replace engine oil
- Replace engine oil filter
- Perform rotation and inspect tires

The only difference between this and my regular 12k service is the diff.

I drove 30k in one year in california, so hopefully that gives more context on my driving conditions. I don't drive like an idiot and I average 28-30 mpg.

My car has 36k mile warranty and I'm already on 34k, so I figured screw paying an extra $500-$900 and screw the dealerships all together.

Would love to hear if the information I just provided changes things or not and what you guys think about those services. Appreciate everyone's help!
Your car has a 3/36 bumper to bumper warranty, but you also have a 5/60 Powertrain warranty too. Those apply to all new Subarus. If you have a CVT that specific warranty has been increased to 10/100,000.

You'll need to replace the brake/clutch fluid in order to keep the 5/60 warranty. I'd add that to your $120 service and call it good.
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You'll need to replace the brake/clutch fluid in order to keep the 5/60 warranty. I'd add that to your $120 service and call it good.
Thatís not true at all....
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