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Old 09-21-2018, 06:38 AM   #1
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Default Toyota Revive MR2/Celica Hot Gt86 ?

Toyota Wants to Build a New Celica or MR2

Toyota wants to revive another sporty car to go alongside the Supra and 86.

Toyota is working hard to get back into the minds of enthusiasts. After 16 years without a high-performance sports car, the automaker is bringing back the Supra nameplate on an impressive rear-drive coupe. Once that's settled, the next vehicle in line could revive one of two famous Toyota models: Celica or MR2.

The 2019 Toyota Supra Lives Up to the Legend

That's what I learned from Masayuki Kai, Assistant Chief Engineer on the Supra project, during my drive of a Supra prototype this week. "We want to have Celica back, we want to have the MR2 back," Kai told me. "The biggest was Supra. Supra was number one, the biggest demand from the market," he continued. "Now that we've brought Supra back, what will come next depends on the market needs."

Kai hinted that the Celica could return as an all-wheel drive compact performance coupe to compliment the rear-drive Toyota GT and Supra. Or perhaps the mid-engine MR2, if a business case can be made. "Or maybe it could be a completely different model," Kai said. "We'll have to wait and see."

Kai points out that today's market makes it more challenging to introduce niche, small-volume performance models. "Sports car are becoming more and more expensive to develop," he told me. "So a single company cannot afford to invest in all the tooling for parts and components, because the volume of sports car is quite small. A sports car requires a lot of specific components that you cannot share with other cars. The suspension components we're using on the Supra, you can't use on a sedan like Camry or Corolla. And as you know, all the homologation issues are also getting more and more complex and difficult."

One potential solution would be to forge another sports car partnership along the lines of Toyota's cooperation with BMW on the Supra and Z4 "I'm quite sure if we did not make this cooperation, they could not have brought the Z4 back on the market alone," Kai told me. "And without their cooperation, we would never have been able to bring back the Supra. So it's clear for us, we needed this partnership."

How, then, does a small automaker like Mazda continue to produce the MX-5 Miata without relying on a partnership with another automaker? I posed the question to Kai. "Maybe if you're developing sports cars over a very, very long time, like Mazda, you have to know how to make it cheaper," he said. "I believe they have a lot of know-how, gathered throughout the development of the MX-5." By contrast, Toyota hadn't been involved in the high-performance sports car market for over a decade. Unlike Mazda, which has been developing the Miata for nearly 30 years, Toyota's clean-sheet new Supra couldn't rely on recent experience in making sports cars.

"I believe there are a lot of things we need to learn from Mazda," Kai told me. "They never stopped developing the MX-5. They continuously developed that car. If you don't do this—like Toyota, stopping the Supra for 16 years—it's extremely difficult to bring it back."
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Toyota Gazoo trademarks suggest hot 'GR' Yaris and GT86

Toyota Gazoo trademarks suggest hot 'GR' Yaris and GT86
European trademarks have been filed that point to expansion of Gazoo Racing sporting sub-brand

Toyota’s Gazoo Racing sub-brand is set to expand with the names of the first GR-badged variants of the GT86 and Yaris being trademarked across Europe.

If the trademarks signify production performance variants, the limited-run Yaris GRMN will be followed by a more mainstream hot hatch offering tweaked by Gazoo Racing, as well as a more hardcore version of Toyota’s GT86 sports car.

This development fits with Toyota’s aim to spread the influence of its Gazoo Racing division, with the upcoming Supra being honed by the motorsport sub-brand. Also forthcoming is a GR Sport-badged warm Yaris fitted with sporting styling elements inspired by the limited-run GRMN hot hatch.

It’s almost certain that both GT86 and Yaris models would get uprated power over their cooking variants. It is likely that the Yaris would be slightly tamer than the £26,296, 209bhp and 184lb ft Yaris GRMN.

The GR-badged GT86 variant trademark comes near the end of the car’s current life cycle. The GR version could therefore be introduced in the second-generation GT86, due soon if the usual seven-year cycle is any guide. This will help to differentiate the car from the mechanically identical Subaru BRZ, produced in a joint venture between the two brands.

Toyota presented a hint at what the next GT86 could look like with a Gazoo Racing influence in the GR HV concept, revealed at last year’s Tokyo motor show. The brand also showed a hypercar concept using the GR badge, named Gazoo GR Super Sport, which is mooted for a motorsport entry after the introduction of the Le Mans hypercar class.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:28 AM   #2
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I hope so. I'd love to see a mid - engine awd collaboration. Between Subaru and Toyota.
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:49 AM   #3
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****ing dumb idea. Build a new Celica on the 86 chassis with a turbo engine, push it up firmly in the 30-40k segment. Make the S-FR the Miata fighter we deserve. Boom, job done.
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:36 AM   #4
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MR2! Miss that car.
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:06 PM   #5
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They replaced the Celica with the Scion tC and sold the FR-S alongside the tC. Did they forget that happened?
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:20 PM   #6
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The MR2 will come mid engine with some underpowered 4 banger boxer motor that sells well for the first year and then everyone hates it.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:45 PM   #7
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Cool, so if you were longing for an impreza coupe, or awd brz, you're all set! thanks to Toyota's aggressive badge engineering campaign.

Seriously though; if Toyota got in bed with FCA, took the 4c but put a Toyota mill & trans in it, it could be a decent car/mr2 replacement, however that would be pretty expensive from a Toyota standpoint, maybe Lexus? Are there any chea... I mean not super expensive MR cars out there nowadays? They wouldn't want to cannibalize gt86 sales with a similarly priced MR 2 seater, Would they?

I think it will flush out to (if it happens) gt86 (fr na coupe - entry level), Celica (fa na/turbo coupe - middle ground), supra (fr turbo coupe - top tier toyota). As much as I love the mr2, unless there is another manufacturer out there looking for that type of car, likely 2.0l+/- turbo, it isn't going to happen.
SGP wrx w/coupe treatment = celica gt4
Current impreza w/coupe treatment = celica all-trac
So in essence that is the most likely action. As for the second gen FA24DIT gt86... I honestly don't see it happening, unless the MR2 is na and becomes the entry level option.

But I bet the new gt86 with have eyesight & lane keep assist standard, and a hybrid option.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:48 PM   #8
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I think Kai is trying to find an excuse. Mazda continues to build the Miata because they want to and not try to maximize every penny of profit or chase every single sale. He said the Miata is produced cheaper because of know how over 30 years. While partially true, it is still a completely stand alone chassis which is not cheap, especially the effort put into making the current gen that light. I'm still suprised the Miata still survived through Mazda's financial hardships and lackluster sales over the years.

It is hard to believe that one of the largest auto manufacturers can't produce more affordable performance on their own. The Supra seems more BMW than the 86 is a Subaru. How about a hot hatch Corolla? The TNGA platform is capable.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:57 PM   #9
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To be fair, Mazda is probably offsetting some of the development cost for the MX5 chassis by selling them to Fiat to rebadge as the Spider.
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:06 AM   #10
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I wouldn't mind a new MR2, but they've gotta have that little trunk in the back like the SW20 and AW11. That's where the Spyder fell flat (that and only offering the lesser of 2 engines).
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