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Old 01-28-2022, 12:26 PM   #5076
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There is a lot to like and think about with the N. My biggest thoughts, the seats in the N look magnificent. Subaru posted videos of them developing the seats and color choices, and the amount of time and effort they put into it, well the results simply do not match the N. They will outsell the N by a wide margin, but yet, couldn't make the seats better. The seats from 11-14 in the WRX to me were much better than there after. More sport based, bigger bolstering, etc. Then we get to the customization of the N settings, buttons, etc, all seem light years ahead of the new WRX as well. To say the WRX is what it is to avoid cost, is an excuse when car companies like Hyundai are doing this is mind blowing. Don't even get me started on VW ****ting the bed on their interior after having years of a much better one. The WRX is a modified 2.4, modified SGP chassis, and an interior that has trickled down from the other cars with literally nothing being developed ground up.
IMO, again, I'd have a hard time passing up an Elantra N if I wanted to get a sporty people hauler that I could do track days with.
Hyundai took journalists to Sears Point / Sonoma Raceway to showcase their N cars and make a point; I think they succeeded.
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Old 01-28-2022, 02:12 PM   #5077
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There is a lot to like and think about with the N. My biggest thoughts, the seats in the N look magnificent. Subaru posted videos of them developing the seats and color choices, and the amount of time and effort they put into it, well the results simply do not match the N. They will outsell the N by a wide margin, but yet, couldn't make the seats better. The seats from 11-14 in the WRX to me were much better than there after. More sport based, bigger bolstering, etc. Then we get to the customization of the N settings, buttons, etc, all seem light years ahead of the new WRX as well. To say the WRX is what it is to avoid cost, is an excuse when car companies like Hyundai are doing this is mind blowing. Don't even get me started on VW ****ting the bed on their interior after having years of a much better one. The WRX is a modified 2.4, modified SGP chassis, and an interior that has trickled down from the other cars with literally nothing being developed ground up.
All statements I agree on. I can understand Subaru trickling down interiors for most of the lineup, but come on make some effort to differentiate the WRX and STI. I am sure the cry babies will cry foul that Hyundai is a HUGE company and Subaru is small in comparison. It is surprising Hyundai doesn't have an AWD offering given their presence in WRC. Who knows, maybe something will come down the pipe after Toyota reveals the Corolla GR.
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Old 01-28-2022, 02:25 PM   #5078
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The 10th Gen Civic Si suffered from this as well. Seems Honda has done some good work on the 11th Gen Si to reduce this significantly.

With regards to the interior, yeah amazing isn't it how much progress Hyundai has made? We can't even got those seats in the STI, forget the WRX which is what the Elantra N competes with. It also has a full digital cluster (although I prefer analog) and has bigger brakes too.
MK7 GLI/GTI suffer from this as well, it is brutal. However some VCDS/OBD11 tweaks can a help a bit. Looking at the MK8 1/4 mile video posted few pages back, it seems it is just as bad with the MK8 GTI. I cringed just watching it because I can relate .
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Old 01-28-2022, 03:17 PM   #5079
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I watched a review on the Elantra N yesterday, it looks like a very compelling package if you don't care about the badge and that it's FWD. For a lot of "enthusiasts" one or both of these might be dealbreakers. For me it's compelling because I don't need FWD here in California (and I don't track/race my cars) and I don't care if people make fun that it's a Hyundai, but I won't be buying it because I don't need a new car. If I had to pick between a 2022 Elantra N vs. 2022 WRX I'd likely take the Elantra N. The infotainment looks way better, the exterior is less visually offending and the exhaust sounds way better too.
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Old 01-28-2022, 04:39 PM   #5080
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The interior of the wrx is the absolute confirmation that the WRX is, and always will be, a tarted up impreza. They can change the profile on the exterior sheet metal all they want, but the structure of the car and cabin are still 100% impreza. And so it will get the vanilla people mover interior, not the sport oriented interior.

If they really wanted this separate from the impreza, they'd have found a way to put the sporty interior of the brz into the wrx.
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Old 01-28-2022, 04:54 PM   #5081
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I like the interior. It is nothing special but simple and clean with just enough spice, like the seats and flat bottom steering wheel. Is it Si or Mazda 3 level, no but it isn't bad at all. Certainly better than the crap they pulled with the MK8. I also feel like the N interior is a bit tacky, while the seats indeed look great, they may get old really quick with the aggressive bolstering.
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Old 01-28-2022, 05:03 PM   #5082
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Skip to 10:00 mark...."The WRX, now that we driven it, it is hideous but great " .

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Old 01-28-2022, 08:03 PM   #5083
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In other thoughts, the S208 seats are perfection. Then look at our Recaro offering. Blah. Then think about for years they had BBS wheels and the overnight got rid of them and didnít lower the price.

Everything they have done, has been a corner cut.
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Old 01-28-2022, 08:29 PM   #5084
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A corporation cutting corners for more profit? You must be out of your mind. These are clear engineering decisions that took years and millions of research and development to improve the aerodynamics by a unit of drag coefficient youíve never heard of which results in 2 nanoseconds faster acceleration and the super meaningful 1mpg gain to keep the vehicle amongst the worst in its class but I guess it meets emissions so hurrah!!!
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Old 01-28-2022, 08:42 PM   #5085
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Breaking news: limited edition 450 unit lottery JDM only had better seats than a USDM 30K WRX.
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Old 01-28-2022, 08:49 PM   #5086
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Skip to 10:00 mark...."The WRX, now that we driven it, it is hideous but great " .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FMzw1EHGxg
But why pay 39k for a hideous car
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Old 01-28-2022, 08:49 PM   #5087
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Breaking news: limited edition 450 unit lottery JDM only had better seats than a USDM 30K WRX.
That is true lol
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Old 01-28-2022, 09:01 PM   #5088
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But why pay 39k for a hideous car
Leave the Elantra N out of this. We have a separate thread in the non-Subaru news section.
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Old 01-29-2022, 01:20 AM   #5089
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In other thoughts, the S208 seats are perfection. Then look at our Recaro offering. Blah. Then think about for years they had BBS wheels and the overnight got rid of them and didnít lower the price.

Everything they have done, has been a corner cut.
After 2007 they where never the same. The sti was almost completely watered down.

The 08íwrx was so bad they had to make
The 2010+ Wrx faster than an sti to compensate. Then with the 2015-21 models they did pretty good, especially for the price, and now this. Shame shame shame
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Old 01-29-2022, 01:24 AM   #5090
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Wheel gaps






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Were they confused as to what the plan was exactly?
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Itís just slammed with bigger wheels, something the vape gang will do to show up to the car mEaT at your local Walmart parking lot .
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Make a Crosstrek XT or tS and you have something that's a step above the normal with cladding for all the modern Subaru lovers to drool over. And it has a hatch which makes it a much more appealing daily to the crossover fans.

Instead we get a lowered Outback Sedan as a WRX replacement, which has none of the features of a typical plastic clad vehicle (hatch, clearance), but still has ugly cladding and wheel gap.

A Levorg Sedan and a Crosstrek XT seems much more fitting for our market and likely appeals to a wider customer base. Instead they took the most incongruous features from each one and smashed them together.

If you like it, I'm glad for you. But I would have rather had one of the other two vehicles this could have been.
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Leave the Elantra N out of this. We have a separate thread in the non-Subaru news section.
That is an ugly car as
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Old 01-31-2022, 10:58 AM   #5094
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they had a white 2022 WRX in GT trim at the Houston car show this weekend.

the Recaro seats are amazing. the plastic bits over the wheels are quite ok in person, maybe because they don't stick out too much, and where they do, you can really see that the vents behind the wheels are for real. the back bumper is still pretty out of place, and there's not a lot to say about it. the front end looks great, from headlights, to hoodscoop, it looks very polished.

I would have asked the rep to talk me through the car, but some kid was detailing how he's been an enthusiast forever (and showed no sign of letting up), so I left him to it and moved on.
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they had a white 2022 WRX in GT trim at the Houston car show this weekend.

the Recaro seats are amazing. the plastic bits over the wheels are quite ok in person, maybe because they don't stick out too much, and where they do, you can really see that the vents behind the wheels are for real. the back bumper is still pretty out of place, and there's not a lot to say about it. the front end looks great, from headlights, to hoodscoop, it looks very polished.

I would have asked the rep to talk me through the car, but some kid was detailing how he's been an enthusiast forever (and showed no sign of letting up), so I left him to it and moved on.
Do the recaros lower seating position compared to normal seats?
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Do the recaros lower seating position compared to normal seats?
dunno, they only had the GT for me to sit in.
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Were they confused as to what the plan was exactly?
I think you are confused. You just compared photos of two CUV's to a concept car.
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Old 01-31-2022, 01:00 PM   #5098
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dunno, they only had the GT for me to sit in.

I sat in the GT but found the Recaroís too tight on the hips/thighs. The plastic parts inside the side bolsters made it painful to sit in. Iím only a slightly bigger dude at ~200lb. What about you? I donít know if it was an early production seat.
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I sat in the GT but found the Recaroís too tight on the hips/thighs. The plastic parts inside the side bolsters made it painful to sit in. Iím only a slightly bigger dude at ~200lb. What about you? I donít know if it was an early production seat.
How tall are you?
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Old 01-31-2022, 03:13 PM   #5100
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How tall are you?

About 5í 12Ē.
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