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Old 05-20-2022, 10:50 AM   #6801
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C&D got 13.9 @ 101 mph in the 2022 WRX vs 13.8 @ 102 in the 2018 STi...So that is a wash. The 2015 WRX VIR hot lap exhibited a brake failure. The 2018 WRX performance pack is just a higher-temp front brake pads, that's all in terms of performance upgrades. The VB handles considerably better than the VA and has a much, much better power band. No idea why you would even bring up the GR86, it is a completely different class with a drastically different goal in mind. Not sure how that car is of any relevance in this comparison.
C&D was not able to reliably replicate that 13.9s 1/4 mile, they were as slow as 14.2 sec as well. My point being, with the '22 weighing about 20lbs more but only having 3 additional hp and with the same transmission (I believe? let's not even get into CVT/SPTs lol), I don't think we're going to see that much of a difference in the 1/4 mile. Also, it's well known that stock for stock the STI isn't much faster in a straight line, so 1/4 mile times only account for so much as I originally mentioned. As for actual lap times...we know that's where the STI pulls ahead.

I would be surprised, but pleasantly so, if the slightly improved handling can get it closer to STI lap times considering everything I mentioned. And you're correct about the performance pack, the higher temp pads (and Brembos calipers, I guess lol) were exactly what the VA needed and it showed across multiple situations and tests - hopefully the '22 has better pads than the last gen.

And I mentioned the 86 because I stumbled on that info while looking at these times and it's amusing that it's considered slow by most while it seems to now be keeping up with the WRX in the 0-60 and only slightly behind in the 1/4 mile. It's a lot closer than I expected anyway.
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Old 05-20-2022, 10:59 AM   #6802
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Old 05-20-2022, 11:37 AM   #6803
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C&D was not able to reliably replicate that 13.9s 1/4 mile, they were as slow as 14.2 sec as well. My point being, with the '22 weighing about 20lbs more but only having 3 additional hp and with the same transmission (I believe? let's not even get into CVT/SPTs lol), I don't think we're going to see that much of a difference in the 1/4 mile. Also, it's well known that stock for stock the STI isn't much faster in a straight line, so 1/4 mile times only account for so much as I originally mentioned. As for actual lap times...we know that's where the STI pulls ahead.

I would be surprised, but pleasantly so, if the slightly improved handling can get it closer to STI lap times considering everything I mentioned. And you're correct about the performance pack, the higher temp pads (and Brembos calipers, I guess lol) were exactly what the VA needed and it showed across multiple situations and tests - hopefully the '22 has better pads than the last gen.

And I mentioned the 86 because I stumbled on that info while looking at these times and it's amusing that it's considered slow by most while it seems to now be keeping up with the WRX in the 0-60 and only slightly behind in the 1/4 mile. It's a lot closer than I expected anyway.
I never heard that, do you have a link ? I posted the C&D video and article in this thread. They mention how the 0-60 time required a shift vs VA. Also, there is a noticeable improvement in the power band vs FA20DIT, I posted direct DYNO comparisons in this thread. In addition, there is a significant improvement to handling with the VB. I think with better brakes it will lap the STI, hopefully C&D will include in the next VIR feature. Lap times aside, this car overall fixed everything I disliked about the VA. There is a growing subreddit with tons of info and reviews from prior owners or others that switched from the competition if you want to take a break from the misinformation and trolling posted here.
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Old 05-20-2022, 12:54 PM   #6804
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To be fair, the gearing in that car helped it's 0-60 a lot. The Forester lost that 0-60 edge when the gearing was revised later in the same generation
That doesn’t negate his point and fact though.
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Old 05-20-2022, 01:13 PM   #6805
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The new engine has more total power under the curve, but most of that is on the low end and that's less important on the track. If your pushing the car hard on a track your spending your entire time in the upper RPM range, where the new engine doesn't seem to hold much improvement over the old 2.0.

I'd be thrilled for new WRX owners that care about tracking if it was faster than a VA STI, but I'd be shocked unless the new rubber is a huge upgrade over the old Dunlop's.

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Old 05-20-2022, 01:53 PM   #6806
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[...] If your pushing the car hard on a track your spending your entire time in the upper RPM range[...]
Also, that upper RPM range ends earlier at 6100 with the 2.4; gearing is now shorter from 3rd to 5th (if I remember correctly), so that redline comes up even faster in those gears.
So, yeah, I don't know, we'll have to wait and see what happens with lap times.
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Old 05-20-2022, 02:02 PM   #6807
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Interesting to see if the VA with that gearset would work better.
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Old 05-20-2022, 02:18 PM   #6808
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Interesting to see if the VA with that gearset would work better.
It absolutely would. But, I wouldn't stop there. The FA24DIT turbo with electronically controlled wastegate and BOV would help as well
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Old 05-20-2022, 03:32 PM   #6809
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Also, that upper RPM range ends earlier at 6100 with the 2.4; gearing is now shorter from 3rd to 5th (if I remember correctly), so that redline comes up even faster in those gears.
So, yeah, I don't know, we'll have to wait and see what happens with lap times.



Guess it would depend on the track? Raced it around the Utah Motorsports Complex and 3rd was the highest gear we got. Dropped to second a couple times; but, I can't say 6100 was an issue.


Then I ask what's the deal about that? Spent years reading complaints here that the 2.0 would drop off before 6000 anyway. And what people have discussed and shown on graphs, it seems to do something similar. It's just much better on the way up?
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Old 05-20-2022, 05:54 PM   #6810
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Guess it would depend on the track? Raced it around the Utah Motorsports Complex and 3rd was the highest gear we got. Dropped to second a couple times; but, I can't say 6100 was an issue.


Then I ask what's the deal about that? Spent years reading complaints here that the 2.0 would drop off before 6000 anyway. And what people have discussed and shown on graphs, it seems to do something similar. It's just much better on the way up?
Totally depends on the track and the driver. That's why I said we'll have to wait and see.
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Old 05-20-2022, 07:24 PM   #6811
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That doesn’t negate his point and fact though.
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Old 05-20-2022, 07:27 PM   #6812
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It absolutely would. But, I wouldn't stop there. The FA24DIT turbo with electronically controlled wastegate and BOV would help as well
The higher redline of the FA20 and the 4.44 gearing should make for a better all around package whether on track or street. Mileage will suffer.
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Old 05-20-2022, 09:09 PM   #6813
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Obviously there is a bit more to it but looking at the turbo sizes they should have pushed the fuel cut to 6,500 RPM. FA20DIT turbo checked out @ around 6K but you can still run a ton of timing with good quality gas and make good power past 6.5K. I am sure we will see a spicier tune down the line like VW did for the 2019 cars when they cranked the boost up top. This engine has a ton of room left on the table.
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Old 05-21-2022, 11:51 AM   #6814
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So anyone know if Staight6 ordered a 2022 WRX? Or is it a wait and see thing, and order a refreshed 2024 WRX?
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Old 05-21-2022, 12:07 PM   #6815
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Old 05-21-2022, 03:28 PM   #6816
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So anyone know if Staight6 ordered a 2022 WRX? Or is it a wait and see thing, and order a refreshed 2024 WRX?


He can have the autotragic in white at the dealer 1 mile from me. I did not think it could look worse in person until I seen that color combo. white is by far the worst color with all that gray/black plastic trash everywhere.
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Old 05-21-2022, 06:06 PM   #6817
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He can have the autotragic in white at the dealer 1 mile from me. I did not think it could look worse in person until I seen that color combo. white is by far the worst color with all that gray/black plastic trash everywhere.
Grey metallic likely the number one seller as it hides all the imperfections very well.
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Old 05-21-2022, 06:45 PM   #6818
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Grey metallic likely the number one seller as it hides all the imperfections very well.
Not sure if they were ordered or just out of our allocation; but, we sold a WRB first, then a MG2, then a CBS. Then we have 2 unspoken for ISMs inbound, then an ordered SOP, and ordered CBS. The CBS is an employee purchase and SPT.
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Old 05-21-2022, 06:54 PM   #6819
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He can have the autotragic in white at the dealer 1 mile from me. I did not think it could look worse in person until I seen that color combo. white is by far the worst color with all that gray/black plastic trash everywhere.
It will gap your 50K Type RA, plastic cladding and all, you mad ?
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Old 05-21-2022, 07:31 PM   #6820
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Saw a 2022 in WRB pass in front of my apartment today. It's almost a head-turner, and not in any good sense. Like, it almost looks like something you've seen before (VA WRX, Crosstrek and/or Honda Civic), but then you look harder and realize it's unlike anything else you've ever seen and you wish it was any of those other vehicles instead.
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Old 05-21-2022, 07:36 PM   #6821
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He can have the autotragic in white at the dealer 1 mile from me. I did not think it could look worse in person until I seen that color combo. white is by far the worst color with all that gray/black plastic trash everywhere.
2nd highest selling color so far behind WRB. Whoops!
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How dare you bring facts to this thread.

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Old 05-21-2022, 10:54 PM   #6823
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It will gap your 50K Type RA, plastic cladding and all, you mad ?
... and a Toyota Camry will gap the new WRX.

its a close race with a Honda Odyssey minivan, though
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Old 05-21-2022, 11:07 PM   #6824
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It's not how big your *&^% is boys, it's all in how you use it.

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