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Old 11-30-2023, 02:20 PM   #551
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God.. this is like when they advertised the 86 for track use, Owners use their free track day and then boom, oil starvation. I would have made the video on a Canyon road, as that would be a more "realistic" use of the brake package.
Yeah it is just a commercial. Not out of line what other manufacturers are doing. Realistically none of these cars are really ready for heavy track use without some modifications. For example, check out SG video in reference to the GRC on YT when you get some time:


"What is odd to me is that they had to have known these issues and just chose to release it anyway. During press launch they chose a track where you didn't get a full lap and then forced a cool down in the pits. So, some it is making sense. Clearly if track is important check this car off list""
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Old 11-30-2023, 03:53 PM   #552
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God.. this is like when they advertised the 86 for track use, Owners use their free track day and then boom, oil starvation. I would have made the video on a Canyon road, as that would be a more "realistic" use of the brake package.
in that regard, I'm massively happy to own a car that markets track driving, and when it fails at the track, it just turns off AWD, rather than grenading the motor.

at any rate, I'm excited for the possibility of Subaru having a car that competes a bit better. the price has to be right (under 40k) for it to be something that will really push other manufacturers to do better.
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Old 11-30-2023, 07:54 PM   #553
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Old 11-30-2023, 08:49 PM   #554
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Old 11-30-2023, 09:11 PM   #555
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I'm with the one guy wondering where everyone is getting the $45k price from, since Subaru hasn't announced it yet.

(Yes I know where, from one of the magazines who said it as a "guess")
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Old 11-30-2023, 10:01 PM   #556
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Old 12-01-2023, 10:25 AM   #557
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I wish it had a TR badge or something. It just looks like a normal WRX, besides the massive rims and Brembos. For the money, give us a badge lol.
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Old 12-04-2023, 03:04 PM   #558
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Its ugly with wheels... Seriously.
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Old 12-04-2023, 04:33 PM   #559
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Wait, I have a question. Was the brake package for the VA (as an added option) not well received? I know you could get it with the 2020 version. Im just surprised they didn't keep it as an added package, unless Brembo had some parts availability issues?
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Old 12-05-2023, 09:29 AM   #560
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Wait, I have a question. Was the brake package for the VA (as an added option) not well received? I know you could get it with the 2020 version. Im just surprised they didn't keep it as an added package, unless Brembo had some parts availability issues?
It's something they add down the road to keep the model line fresh and people interested. Somewhat like a mid-cyle refresh. Becomes a bit of a must-have for performancey people.
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Old 12-05-2023, 12:01 PM   #561
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Wait, I have a question. Was the brake package for the VA (as an added option) not well received? I know you could get it with the 2020 version. Im just surprised they didn't keep it as an added package, unless Brembo had some parts availability issues?
Everything was production limited in 2021.

It was an option for the Premium WRX, which might be a hard sell. Premium buyers are trying to save money, so itís an odd group to upsell.

TR is at least going after the spenders.
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Old 12-05-2023, 03:33 PM   #562
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I'm with the one guy wondering where everyone is getting the $45k price from, since Subaru hasn't announced it yet.

(Yes I know where, from one of the magazines who said it as a "guess")
WRX GT is 43K. This is pretty much the same, just different transmission. Add dollars for next model year, and 45K seems 100% reasonable.
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Old 12-05-2023, 04:42 PM   #563
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WRX GT is 43K. This is pretty much the same, just different transmission. Add dollars for next model year, and 45K seems 100% reasonable.
Subtract CVT and adjustable dampers, should be less than the GT even with the brakes.
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Old 12-05-2023, 07:28 PM   #564
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Subtract CVT and adjustable dampers, should be less than the GT even with the brakes.
And sunroof.
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THey want to apply the Porsche Model. Make you pay more for less. Don't want a rear seat you say? that will be 2000 extra. Don't want that radio, okay, we will not install it, that will cost you 5000 more.

NO power windows, well that will be 10000 for the fabric pull chord, but we will let you pick the color..... for a 500 dollar upcharge.
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Old 12-06-2023, 11:08 AM   #566
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THey want to apply the Porsche Model. Make you pay more for less. Don't want a rear seat you say? that will be 2000 extra. Don't want that radio, okay, we will not install it, that will cost you 5000 more.

NO power windows, well that will be 10000 for the fabric pull chord, but we will let you pick the color..... for a 500 dollar upcharge.
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Old 12-06-2023, 11:37 AM   #567
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They need to come to the hard realization that they are not and never will be porsche level of prestige/desire/whatever you want to classify it as.
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They need to come to the hard realization that they are not and never will be porsche level of prestige/desire/whatever you want to classify it as.



Unfortunately it doesn't really matter. If people keep buying them. They believe in that....
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Old 12-07-2023, 11:21 AM   #569
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Maybe the TR isn't getting loud badges so the buyers don't get shamed too often for spending $45k+ on a WRX.
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This 1000% seems to be the case. Theyre out here throwing badges on Sport / Wilderness models yet for the WRX, just plain jane in the back. Only way you can tell a GT from a Ltd is the slightly lighter.. same style as a Premium, wheel; Which in and of itself is pretty lazy to me. They could have at least made the blacked out grill and Light up front emblem standard on the higher models.. or literally anything.
Meanwhile Cars like the Forester and Outback have Onyx/Sport/Wilderness differentiation (I actually enjoy what comes on a Forester Sport, just wish it was an XT). Hell, they gave a smidge of effort for the Legacy Sport (a lower vol. selling car).
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Subaru's problem isn't that they try to be Porsche, their problem is that while the base WRX has stayed as fantastically priced as it was in 2002 (2002 base MSRP was 23,900). there was no premium, limited, TR, GT, just sedan/wagon, manual/auto.

and those options changed the price by $1000. sure, there were some PIO kits, and things like that, but the thing is now, you have all these different trims, Subaru started involving trims, but they started out being $1000-1500 difference from the lower trims.

now there's anywhere from $3000 to $5000 difference in trims. so as you start looking at the higher trims, it just starts to look out of line with other options in those price ranges.
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on the other hand, today the base model is cheaper than inflation would suggest it should be, so base model is still great value for money, and I'd even go as far as saying the Premium trim is worth it for what you get, even though it's a lot over what the base costs.

but as is said, as long as people are buying the Limited and GT (and soon to be the TR) for so much over the base, then Subaru has no reason to change, and indeed they will continue to build space between the trims until they see the sales start to falter in an unpredictable way, and then they'll start working the cost gaps between trims closer.
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