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Old 12-07-2023, 04:06 PM   #4276
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RIP to Ford, I think they expect to lose their Govt Credit at the beginning of the new year due to low sales vs units available for purchase.
I think it is because their batteries are sourced from China which includes the minerals and materials. For sure rip for. Meanwhile the Tesla Model 3 SR and LR will lose half the credit.

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But an ICE truck can get 400 miles of range, while towing, and takes 5 minutes to fill up. They can get 7-800 miles when not towing.*

An electric truck can only get 75-100 (in good weather) and will take 30 minutes to fill up.

EV trucks have a long way to go before they can be used as a truck. In my estimation, they need to double the kWh capacity and shorten charge times by at least 50%.



*This may not be utilized often (or by even 10% of truck owners), but I have used that range a few times with my F150, as it was my road trip vehicle. I tend to hammer down and not stop if I don't absolutely have to. One year ago, I had a 1200+ mile day in my truck. A Model Y LR would have spent over 5 hours charging. I think I filled up twice.
What percent of trucks are used as real trucks? In my neighborhood probably 2%.
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Old 12-07-2023, 04:13 PM   #4277
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EV incentives have been primarily only for the rich up to this point who can afford a 80k plus dollar car with them getting the benefits solely.
I'm not "rich". I got the full $6,500 tax credit on my plebian Nissan.

The Koch family is worth hundreds of billions of dollars, but we're cool with them getting tax credits and subsidies. But these guys over here buying 40K cars... nah, it's a green conspiracy.
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Old 12-07-2023, 04:31 PM   #4278
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I'm not "rich". I got the full $6,500 tax credit on my plebian Nissan.

The Koch family is worth hundreds of billions of dollars, but we're cool with them getting tax credits and subsidies. But these guys over here buying 40K cars... nah, it's a green conspiracy.
Lmao this reminds me of how the Koch brothers are closing down a mill business in Florida employing 500 people because itís ďnot profitableĒ and applied for covid relief for said business. So theyíll get government aid for their failed business. But god forgive if those 500 workers need some sort of help after being laid off and more than a $1200 check for covid relief to get by in tough times, now that would just be a communist abomination for freeloaders hahahaha donít waste your time with these people bro.
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Old 12-07-2023, 07:47 PM   #4279
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This will make Scrappydo mad; the government is forcing people to buy EV's...it makes me so mad :

https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1732883285070708928
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What percent of trucks are used as real trucks? In my neighborhood probably 2%.
Yep, and what makes even more sense than that stupidity is paying 80k for the exact same thing
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Old Yesterday, 11:27 AM   #4281
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If they finance 60-70 for a gas version, why not? Suckers, every last one of them. The only pearl-clutching now is that the truck's electric...
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My point was that itís not a question of if, but when. You think thereís still a while, okay sure, I donít know the answer to specifically when. But what I do know is that itís coming. When it does, ICE will just become obsolete. Of course the transition period will continue as factors such as affordability and infrastructure come into play. But again, once EV prices normalize, the performance in certain areas such as range and charge times equal or bette that of ICE, and the infrastructure is in place for convenience. Itís game over. And to not come to terms with that reality is just a very conservative ďafraidĒ of change mentality.
This is typical small minded thinking. Insulting those who do not agree with you and labeling them as afraid. EV as they are now have HUGE shortcomings for some people. Others have decided they want to try them and make them work. Neither side is wrong nor right. It is preference. Yet you classify the vast majority of people as afraid. No, they do not want one. I do not want an electric pressure washer. I am not afraid of it. I just do not want a substandard product.

I see EV as something of a propped up offering. They benefit from the oil and gas subsides as well. So rather than complain, just say thank you.

For people who live in a city, and have access to a charger nightly or only want a commuter car then it can work. But so can something else. Choice is good. Choice makes everything better.

If EV can get charge times to full in 3-5 min. And if the infrastructure can be made vastly better and more reliable, and If the national grid can handle charging so many devices at one, then they will most certainly gain popularity.

But those are all substantial IF's and you can downplay them all you like, but after the early adopters bought them, dealers in most of the country say production needs to slow down.

many states have dropped out of the 2035 EV only mandates. The ones that have not will.

The market will decide what sells. Not the idiotic government. People decide policy. Well that is the way it should go.
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Old Yesterday, 04:55 PM   #4284
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This will make Scrappydo mad; the government is forcing people to buy EV's...it makes me so mad :

https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/st...83285070708928
Again with the small minded comments. Going up 55% is meaningless unless you know what it went up from. Do you know how I know you are rubbish at math an critical thinking at the same time.

Why would people having a choice make me mad? Explain that. When all I have ever wanted was for people to be educated in all the shortcomings of both and to have a choice.

My only gripe has been the greenwashing of all the EV shortcomings and the government mandates reducing peoples choice over a BS ideology.

If somebody knows what they are getting into and want an EV, I have never had any issue with it.

It is your choice to live with the consequences of buying that product. None of my business. The taxpayer should not have to incentivize your EV purchase though.
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Lmao this reminds me of how the Koch brothers are closing down a mill business in Florida employing 500 people because itís ďnot profitableĒ and applied for covid relief for said business. So theyíll get government aid for their failed business. But god forgive if those 500 workers need some sort of help after being laid off and more than a $1200 check for covid relief to get by in tough times, now that would just be a communist abomination for freeloaders hahahaha donít waste your time with these people bro.
Koch Brothers... DRINK!

LOL.. seriously. You need help.
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If EV can get charge times to full in 3-5 min.
You just don't understand EV's. I need my car to fill in 3 minutes like I need my iPhone to fill in 3 minutes. You should figure this out first before trying to untangle the rest of the EV mystery. I know it's like trying to quantize gravity, but try.
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This is typical small minded thinking. Insulting those who do not agree with you and labeling them as afraid. EV as they are now have HUGE shortcomings for some people. Others have decided they want to try them and make them work. Neither side is wrong nor right. It is preference. Yet you classify the vast majority of people as afraid. No, they do not want one. I do not want an electric pressure washer. I am not afraid of it. I just do not want a substandard product.

I see EV as something of a propped up offering. They benefit from the oil and gas subsides as well. So rather than complain, just say thank you.

For people who live in a city, and have access to a charger nightly or only want a commuter car then it can work. But so can something else. Choice is good. Choice makes everything better.

If EV can get charge times to full in 3-5 min. And if the infrastructure can be made vastly better and more reliable, and If the national grid can handle charging so many devices at one, then they will most certainly gain popularity.

But those are all substantial IF's and you can downplay them all you like, but after the early adopters bought them, dealers in most of the country say production needs to slow down.

many states have dropped out of the 2035 EV only mandates. The ones that have not will.

The market will decide what sells. Not the idiotic government. People decide policy. Well that is the way it should go.

If you actually took the time to read and comprehend what you quoted, you'd understand that the "afraid" mentality is in reference to those that can't come to terms with EVs as an inevitable technology that will replace ICE. Never have I said that it isn't currently something that works for some and doesn't for others. Heck, I've admitted that it's not there yet in certain areas and this should be obvious for anyone. So clearly, being afraid doesn't apply to those that don't have an EV right now, it's for those that can't come to terms that it's the future. And you surely come off as someone that's standoffish about EVs and for some reason doesn't accept it as the future. And it seems to be that for some random arbitrary reason, government mandate rubs you the wrong way. Which, again, just reflects how your mind operates. You currently live through a billion things dictated upon you by societal laws, yet what powers a metal box with wheels that takes you from point A to point B, now that does it! that's crosses the line man! that's too far! Because the government is the only one that is idiotic, private entities, nah never, they never fudge up
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