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Old 01-18-2019, 12:13 PM   #551
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I still lust after the FD RX-7; I would take one of those over a supra any day, even considering the angry dorito/magic triangle; to me it's one of the most beautiful cars to come from Japan.
No need to justify it with Japan.

It's simply a beautiful car, timeless really. That same design could drop today and still look new and fresh.
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:35 PM   #552
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I still lust after the FD RX-7; I would take one of those over a supra any day, even considering the angry dorito/magic triangle; to me it's one of the most beautiful cars to come from Japan.
Yes, I was in the military at the time and just could not justify the payment and car anymore since I was getting deployed constantly and not able to drive the car.

Mine was a pristine red one with low mileage (I bought it barely used off an older gentleman who no longer wanted a manual).

I have owned tons of cars but to this day this was truly the only car I ever regretted selling right after I sold it and have not forgotten about it since.

It was my third RX-7 (I owned the previous generations and the FB was my very first car in high school).

I have a soft spot for Japanese RWD sports cars and truly hope this next Supra is successful.
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Old 01-19-2019, 11:14 AM   #553
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The problem is so convoluted. The Supra was glorified as a car far more than it ever deserved. It was never as good as people remember it being. So nothing made today would ever make people happy. The NSX crashed and burned trying to be something it is not. This new Supra has yet to write its story, but if I were to judge it by the styling alone, it looks like it is trying to hard. It is VERY japanese looking which is not a bad thing, but it lacks the finesse of the 90s Supra and the 90's FDRX7.
I mean... sort of? Out of the big 6 90's JDM sports cars, it certainly wasn't the best all around. But even 15+ years ago, when you could get a VR4, 300ZX TT, or RX-7 for pocket change, the Supra still commanded ~$40K. It was always clear why the car was glorified; it was the engine. And it's hard to argue it didn't deserve that.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:25 PM   #554
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I mean... sort of? Out of the big 6 90's JDM sports cars, it certainly wasn't the best all around. But even 15+ years ago, when you could get a VR4, 300ZX TT, or RX-7 for pocket change, the Supra still commanded ~$40K. It was always clear why the car was glorified; it was the engine. And it's hard to argue it didn't deserve that.
Not sure about well kept RX-7's being available for pocket change but Mitsubishi and Nissan sold considerably more VR4's and 300ZX TT's so it goes to show that more readily available vehicles will not command as high a price as ones like the Supra TT which were pretty scarcely available.
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VR4s were giant piles of trash when they left the factory. The Supra was an also-ran when it came out, (decent car, but never anything special) but then so are tons of Toyotas but people seem to think (and say) that Toyotas never age so they have ridiculous used values. If the Supra had a Mazda badge on it, but all else was the same, nobody would care.
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Old 01-19-2019, 06:24 PM   #556
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Out of the list of cars above, IMO only the FD RX7 is the true pure sports car/drivers car of the bunch. They weren't as focused or hardcore as the Mazda though the Supra at the time did use similar features as the RX7 in an attempt to reduce weight/increase performance (hollow fiber carpeting/sequential twin turbo configuration).
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VR4s were giant piles of trash when they left the factory. The Supra was an also-ran when it came out, (decent car, but never anything special) but then so are tons of Toyotas but people seem to think (and say) that Toyotas never age so they have ridiculous used values. If the Supra had a Mazda badge on it, but all else was the same, nobody would care.
The problem with the VR4 is that they were heavy and had too much complex tech especially in the years it came with 4WS. The 300ZX actually had more engine issues and was less reliable. My brother had a 1998 VR4 and it was actually a nice but more of a GT car for spirited cruising than a real sports car.
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The problem with the VR4 is that they were heavy and had too much complex tech especially in the years it came with 4WS. The 300ZX actually had more engine issues and was less reliable. My brother had a 1998 VR4 and it was actually a nice but more of a GT car for spirited cruising than a real sports car.
The 3000GT were also fundamentally a FWD platform (as all the non Turbo cars were FWD so they never really handled the same way the true RWD platform sports Car like the ZX300 RX7 or Supra ever did
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At least the NSX is still made by Honda. This Supra is literally trying to be something it’s not.
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At least the NSX is still made by Honda. This Supra is literally trying to be something it’s not.
Can you please explain what you mean here? What's it trying to be that it's not exactly? If anything it's the NSX that's trying to be something it's not. The original was a light weight sports car that wasn't trying to be some complicated hight tech sports car while the new NSX is this 3900lb rolling hybrid of technology that nobody asked for or wants as sales are pathetic. This Supra is pretty well on par with the last one and exactly what we would have expected Toyota to build;

-It's a RWD sports coupe on a dedicated RWD chassis with some weight reductions.
-It's got a turbocharged I6 engine.
-It has curvy styling that's definitely going to stand out.
-It's performance easily exceeds any past Supra models in all metrics.

While it's disappointing Toyota no longer feels it can build their own sports cars I would say BMW (with Toyota's assistance) has done a pretty good job making a car that's in-line with the original. Let's not forget the earlier generation Supra Turbos were just big GT cruisers so in a lot of ways this car is a more back to basics Supra being lighter than any previous gen models. Really the only thing this Supra is not is "not" build by Toyota. All the other boxes are checked with the exception of the manual transmission which will likely be available in time.

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BMW had nothing to do with the suspension, tuning, exterior design, etc. Look at the freakin car it looks nothing like a BMW and has Japanese and Toyota design all over it. People are funny...
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BMW had nothing to do with the suspension, tuning, exterior design, etc. Look at the freakin car it looks nothing like a BMW and has Japanese and Toyota design all over it. People are funny...
In a way there's a level of win/win with this car as it's going to be tuned by Toyota to drive they way they expect of a Supra (I'm excited to see what they did with the trick rear torque vectoring differential which is the same as you get on M2, M3/M4) but come with luxury tech that you wouldn't get in a Toyota like iDrive 7 which is one of the best infotainment systems on the market. Free apps like Bimmercode are going to make for a lot of user customization that you won't get with a Toyota.

I suppose one question would be servicing the car? I'm sure Toyota will train their top techs for these cars but the level of knowledge of the hardware is going to be much better from a BMW dealership as well as general parts availability.
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Good Luck getting one for MSRP or less anytime soon. At least the upper models. Like the RS and Type R, dealers will use this as a way to justify their markup...

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First 2020 Toyota Supra sells for over $2 million

All of a sudden, that low mileage '93 Supra seems like a good deal at $100,000. Why? Well, the first 2020 Toyota Supra to roll off the production line just sold for $2.1 million at the Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale auction. It's a Launch Edition painted in matte gray, and all proceeds for the auction go to the American Heart Association and Bob Woodruff Foundation.

Certainly being a charity car, and the first of its kind drove up the price, but this is still a shocking amount of money for the new Supra, even one of the 1,500 Launch Edition models. The Launch Edition Supras have a base price of $56,180. That means this first Supra cost over 37 times the price of, say, the second or third examples.

Also impressive is that this Supra sold for $1 million more than the first 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500. That car has substantially more impressive specifications with over 700 horsepower. But of course, there have been GT500s for the past decade or so, and the Supra has been gone since the late 1990s.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/19/...lls-2-million/
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Good Luck getting one for MSRP or less anytime soon. At least the upper models. Like the RS and Type R, dealers will use this as a way to justify their markup...



https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/19/...lls-2-million/
It's for charity and a tax writeoff for some rich dude. I wouldn't put any stock in this being the price.
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In a way there's a level of win/win with this car as it's going to be tuned by Toyota to drive they way they expect of a Supra (I'm excited to see what they did with the trick rear torque vectoring differential which is the same as you get on M2, M3/M4) but come with luxury tech that you wouldn't get in a Toyota like iDrive 7 which is one of the best infotainment systems on the market. Free apps like Bimmercode are going to make for a lot of user customization that you won't get with a Toyota.

I suppose one question would be servicing the car? I'm sure Toyota will train their top techs for these cars but the level of knowledge of the hardware is going to be much better from a BMW dealership as well as general parts availability.
Servicing will be interesting. I'm excited for some of the initial reviews and to se one in person.
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BMW had nothing to do with the suspension, tuning, exterior design, etc. Look at the freakin car it looks nothing like a BMW and has Japanese and Toyota design all over it. People are funny...
All right boss. Iíll stop pissing on your future acquisition. lol
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:38 PM   #567
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BMW had nothing to do with the suspension, tuning, exterior design, etc. Look at the freakin car it looks nothing like a BMW and has Japanese and Toyota design all over it. People are funny...
It looks like a BMW Z4 somebody stole for 10k under MSRP. It then appears they drove that Z4 to Pepboys for 10k worth of 3M stick on accessories.
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All right boss. Iíll stop pissing on your future acquisition. lol
I doubt it will be with no manual option. And who knows maybe the car will be dissapointing to drive, but I'll wait and see.
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It's for charity and a tax writeoff for some rich dude. I wouldn't put any stock in this being the price.
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It looks like a BMW Z4 somebody stole for 10k under MSRP. It then appears they drove that Z4 to Pepboys for 10k worth of 3M stick on accessories.
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I doubt it will be with no manual option. And who knows maybe the car will be dissapointing to drive, but I'll wait and see.
Dissapointing to drive ... with a ZF 8 speed auto? I'm sure it'll be a huge upgrade for anyone looking to trade in their autotragic C3 corvette.
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Good Luck getting one for MSRP or less anytime soon. At least the upper models. Like the RS and Type R, dealers will use this as a way to justify their markup...



https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/19/...lls-2-million/
The winning bidder also received a full VIP race track experience that includes a fully customized professional racing suit, two VIP passes and hot passes to TOYOTA OWNERS 400-Richmond Raceway and a chance to drive the pace car and do hot laps with Michael Waltrip.

Read more: https://autoweek.com/article/car-new...#ixzz5dIsttItj

Who knows the collector who bought number 1 may have truly enjoyed NASCAR and the thought of hot laps with Michael Waltrip.
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I know they care. But why? If it is the most subjectively attractive and enjoyable to drive of what I can afford, why would I care that someone got a faster car for the same money? I obviously like the looks and driving feel of X over Y. Why let the marginal difference in performance drive my decision to buy a car I like less. Off to the googles to see if there are any psychological studies about car buying.

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Dude, itís different strokes for different folks. You donít want what others want others donít want what you want. Why is this a hard concept to understand?
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I mean... sort of? Out of the big 6 90's JDM sports cars, it certainly wasn't the best all around. But even 15+ years ago, when you could get a VR4, 300ZX TT, or RX-7 for pocket change, the Supra still commanded ~$40K. It was always clear why the car was glorified; it was the engine. And it's hard to argue it didn't deserve that.
I had an earlier generation in the 90's and was on email lists of the time (How enthusiasts communicated before facebook and forums) Supra initially had horrible resale value. Supra price's shot up after owner start modifying them/realizing their potential and the Fast and Furious movie came out. One could buy an 93-95 auto TT for high Teen and 6MT for low 20's in the late 90's. You could get the NA for $10-12k. Toyota didn't help the resale values either, when they dropped the price $12k to $40k in 1997 as well. The 93-96 Supra owners were super pissed.
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One could buy an 93-95 auto TT for high Teen and 6MT for low 20's in the late 90's.
not around here .. i was debating buying a mint auto '95 TT in 1998, but it was $30k, and a bit more than i wanted to spend back then.
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not around here .. i was debating buying a mint auto '95 TT in 1998, but it was $30k, and a bit more than i wanted to spend back then.
I remeber looking at Supras before F&F came out. I was finding 6 speed TT for around $20k. Maybe a year or two after f&f, supras jumped to like $35k-$60k damn quick.
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I remeber looking at Supras before F&F came out. I was finding 6 speed TT for around $20k. Maybe a year or two after f&f, supras jumped to like $35k-$60k damn quick.
I bought my NSX for 27k. It was at a Toyota dealer in Seattle and they wanted it gone ASAP. It was in the snap ring failure. I bought it, immediately took it to Acura where they did the repair/recall work for free, and I sold it for 32-33k. Boy do I regret that a few months later. I was just getting too much flack at work as it was my only car at the time and I didn't have the cash for 2 cars at the time. This was 2004. That f'er is worth 40-50k now. But it was the 5spd and I really wanted the 6spd.
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