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Old 01-22-2017, 07:49 AM   #51
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Ford Product Communications manager for North America, Mike Levine tweeted out another image from the 2018 Mustang’s new digital gauge cluster, this time challenging fans to find the hidden Easter Eggs

1964.5 miles on the odometer is a nod back to the original Mustang, with the first cars to reach dealerships affectionately thought of as 1964.5 model; 289 miles to empty refers to the 289 cubic inch V8 available in the first generation Mustang GT.

More cryptically, 55 mph in 4th gear could be hinting the reworked 5.0 will kick out 455 hp, if true it’s a 20 hp over the 2017 Mustang. However, if you consider the tachometer’s 4,700 rpm reading, it could mean 455 lb.-ft of torque at 4,700 rpm. Or yet, even more far fetched, it could mean 470 hp and 455 lb.ft.
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Old 01-22-2017, 02:33 PM   #52
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Don't really see why they went to all this trouble unless it was some kind of pride thing. The Mustang will either get more expensive or eat into the profit margins.

It was already beating the crap out of Camaro and Challenger in sales.
The, "It's good enough, we've got the sales lead" line of thinking led to some truly awful Mustangs for most of the 1990s.

They're just doing what they need to do to stay competitive with the Camaro. Some of this stuff is just the genesis of what has been planned for quite a while now, like the DI.

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Unless that "upgraded" transmission includes dumping the MT82... .
The MT82 is a perfectly fine transmission for the casual driver. It's the people that want to beat the crap out of it that run into trouble.

I don't know why Ford didn't just include the Tremec 6060 like Chevy and Dodge both did. I know it's a cost cutting move, but the Tremec is a far superior transmission.
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Old 01-22-2017, 03:27 PM   #53
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If that's 7,500 rpm for the 5.0 with the same gearing that'd be really nice.
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Old 01-22-2017, 03:36 PM   #54
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If that's 7,500 rpm for the 5.0 with the same gearing that'd be really nice.

Yeah i just noticed a Ford rep was quoted saying it will rev higher. Guess the image means 7500 redline.

Sounds like there will be available MagneRide as part of the performance pack, which is awesome; but, I dislike that if it's not a seperate option.

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Old 01-22-2017, 04:08 PM   #55
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The MT82 is a perfectly fine transmission for the casual driver. It's the people that want to beat the crap out of it that run into trouble.

I don't know why Ford didn't just include the Tremec 6060 like Chevy and Dodge both did. I know it's a cost cutting move, but the Tremec is a far superior transmission.
Yeah. If I purchase another Mustang I will opt for the 10-speed automatic because I've been there and done that with the MT82 and while mine wasn't horrible I still had issues such as having to shift 1-4 when the car was cold at temperatures below 50 degrees. In the summer it was perfect but as soon as the weather cooled mine would grind in 2nd and 3rd gear until the tranny warmed up. Who knows how well it's going to be up to the task of the higher power and torque levels with this update as it was borderline at it's original 412 hp. If they put in the 6060 I'd be all over that. That said the 10-speed transmission sounds like it's a pretty nice automatic.
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Old 01-22-2017, 05:24 PM   #56
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That 10-speed auto sounds damn good. I'd go with it.
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Old 01-22-2017, 09:14 PM   #57
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Not a fan of the digital dash, that's going to look super dated in 15 years. Not sure why Ford went with it. Other than that, the car looks and specs good. Six speed V8, rwd with 7500 rpm redline is pretty rad.
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Old 01-22-2017, 09:19 PM   #58
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:13 PM   #59
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Not a fan of the digital dash, that's going to look super dated in 15 years. Not sure why Ford went with it. Other than that, the car looks and specs good. Six speed V8, rwd with 7500 rpm redline is pretty rad.
Cost and another gimmick to sell to the public.
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:57 PM   #60
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Cost and another gimmick to sell to the public.
Yep. There's a ton on 6G that are all about the digital dash. I don't care if it's a million dollar 200mph hyper car. I want analog gauges.

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Old 01-23-2017, 10:18 AM   #61
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Not a fan of the digital dash, that's going to look super dated in 15 years. Not sure why Ford went with it. Other than that, the car looks and specs good. Six speed V8, rwd with 7500 rpm redline is pretty rad.
All cars will have LCD instruments clusters in 15 years. It will only looked dated in the sense that LCD technology will be better in the future.
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Old 01-23-2017, 10:37 AM   #62
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All cars will have LCD instruments clusters in 15 years. It will only looked dated in the sense that LCD technology will be better in the future.
Probably true for most cars, but not all. I'd imagine once minivans and Camrys are rocking digital clusters the nicer cars will go back to the more timeless analog. History repeats and repeats. Smart watches are cool, but in the enthusiast world analogs rule, the same will be true for the smart clusters.
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Probably true for most cars, but not all. I'd imagine once minivans and Camrys are rocking digital clusters the nicer cars will go back to the more timeless analog. History repeats and repeats. Smart watches are cool, but in the enthusiast world analogs rule, the same will be true for the smart clusters.
Well except most luxury and exotic sports cars are already rocking LCD's. I'm pretty confident that the only cars you are going to see with analog instruments in the near future is base models of economy cars. Unlike the 80's digital dash phase, I believe LCD instrument clusters are here to stay.
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Not a fan of the digital dash, that's going to look super dated in 15 years. Not sure why Ford went with it. Other than that, the car looks and specs good. Six speed V8, rwd with 7500 rpm redline is pretty rad.
They place themselves up against Audi in European Markets. Audi has their new Virtual Cockpit ( albeit in Prestige Models or 5k $ Sat/Nav package).
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:56 AM   #65
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The Ford Mustang has scored a worrying two-star rating in independent Euro NCAP safety testing.

The result, in an era where five stars is the norm, has been adopted by Australasian NCAP (ANCAP) and the two organisations announced it at the same time this evening (Jan 25).

Ford says it is disappointed by the disastrous result, which was gained testing the GT Fastback V8 in left-hand drive form.

The Mustang, which has been on-sale in Australia since December 2015, was punished severely for its lack of drive assist systems. It also performed poorly in terms of child occupant safety. It was penalised in terms of its adult front protection for what ANCAP CEO James Goodwin described as “unstable airbag deployment, where the driver’s head contacted the steering wheel and the front passenger’s head hit the dashboard”.



Ford Australia is stressing the car’s “four star crash performance” and claims the Mustang is the “first vehicle of its type” to be tested under new upgraded and2017 Euro NCAP testing protocols.

“Mustang is a safe car meeting, or exceeding, all applicable safety standards globally. Mustang’s safety credentials are further demonstrated by the five-star NHTSA NCAP rating awarded in the US as well as a ‘good’ IIHS rating,” Ford Australia’s new Director of Communications, Martin Günsberg told motoring.com.au.

Günsberg commented; “Mustang delivered a four-star result for front adult occupants, a three-star result for child occupants and a five-star result for pedestrian safety. However, a two-star result in the Active Safety Assist pillar determined the overall result of a two-star [NCAP] rating”.

motoring.com.au has published a standalone story with Ford Australia’s full answers to our queries regarding the Euro NCAP result.

The results are released just a week after a significant Mustang update was announced in the USA. Effectively a model year 2018 revision, the changes include a facelift but more pointedly a swag of driver assist systems including autonomous emergency braking. Ford Australia is not stating when the changes will make it Down Under.

The Mustang is the first passenger vehicle since the Chinese Chery J11 of 2011 to score a two star ANCAP rating. Euro NCAP doled out the same result to the Lancia Ypsilon in 2015.



ANCAP boss James Goodwin was scathing of the Mustang’s performance.

“This rating is simply shocking, particularly for an expensive, newly-designed and popular vehicle,” he told motoring.com.au.

“The poorest performing area is safety assist; The Mustang only got two out of a possible 12 points. There is no speed assistance, there is no lane support system, there is no emergency braking, there is no forward warning, there are no [rear] seatbelts reminders.

“But added to that concern is the structural performance… The full width frontal test showed a risk of serious head, chest and leg injuries for the rear passengers, there was insufficient inflation of both the driver and front passenger front airbags in the frontal offset test and that allowed the driver’s head to contact the steering wheel and the passenger’s head to touch the dashboard.”

As reported by motoring.com.au last July, ANCAP has been lobbying Ford to crash test the Mustang without success. It had been unable to gain supply of cars from the Blue Oval or purchase them itself to test because of the car’s popularity.

Goodwin said Euro NCAP had been striking similar issues with the continent also enjoying strong Mustang sales. That prompted the two organisations to work together to get Mustang tested.

“To my knowledge that is the first time we have ever co-ordinated a release like this,” said Goodwin.

The ANCAP boss called the result “a wake-up call for Ford”.

“It does highlight the difference between the ANCAP ratings and what is allowed to be sold in Australia. ANCAP is pushing those boundaries. It is trying to raise the bar for safety in Australia. This car is allowed to be sold in Australia but does anyone now want to buy it?” Goodwin commented.



ANCAP has been approached by various Australian police forces keen to consider the GT as a highway patrol replacement for the defunct Ford Falcon and soon-to-be-defunct Holden Commodore.

“I would suggest it would be highly unlikely any government department would be putting their employees in a vehicle that isn’t meeting the top safety requirements,” Goodwin said.

“Most fleets have a five-star buying policy and I would suggest that emergency services and police – who are putting themselves at greater risk than most people on the road – should be in the safest car on the road. Clearly this one isn’t [one of the safest cars].”

In reference to the potential police sales, Ford’s Günsberg straight-batted: “We are not actively promoting Mustang as a police or fleet vehicle at this stage and we continue to focus on providing all allocated RHD capacity to private customers.”

NCAP scored the Mustang just 27.66 out of 38 for adult occupation protection, based on a full width frontal test, a frontal offset test, side impact test, pole test and whiplash protection test. It also dropped three points in this category for not offering AEB.



In the full frontal test rear passengers were not well protected with a risk of serious head, chest and leg injury. In the frontal offset test brake pedal rearwards movement was excessive and – as Goodwin noted – the airbags didn’t inflate sufficiently. In the pole test the driver’s door opened, prompting a point deduction.

Pedestrian protection was raised by the Mustang’s active bonnet, but the front of the bonnet posed a “high injury risk.”

Some of the tests conducted by Euro NCAP such as the full frontal test are not currently part of the ANCAP regime, but that will be brought in line with NCAP in 2018.

Despite the current differences, it is not unusual for ANCAP to adopt the European result (and left-hand drive vehicles in general) for a vehicle sold in Australia.

“When there is an acceptable European rating for the vehicle that’s the same, we can just take the European assessment and that is what we have done with this,” Goodwin explained.

“About half our ratings are done like this every year,” he said.
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so if it got a bad rating, what would the older mustangs get? Is it actually a dangerous car or is "safe" now more of a moving target? Sounds like they penalized it heavily for not having annoying features like lane keep assist or whatever you call it.
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so if it got a bad rating, what would the older mustangs get? Is it actually a dangerous car or is "safe" now more of a moving target? Sounds like they penalized it heavily for not having annoying features like lane keep assist or whatever you call it.
I'm with you, it appears the lack of driver aids (for mentally deficient people who honestly shouldn't be driving anyways) is what really hurt the car.
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Stop inhibiting Darwin, say no to "safety aids".
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For ****s sake.
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"Vehicle has driver distracting features:

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-Third pedal for the left foot

We recommend a manufacturer recall."

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Old 01-25-2017, 10:36 AM   #71
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so if it got a bad rating, what would the older mustangs get? Is it actually a dangerous car or is "safe" now more of a moving target? Sounds like they penalized it heavily for not having annoying features like lane keep assist or whatever you call it.
It begins. Trust me sir, any car without these features in the near future is gonna be high insurance here in the USDM. The insurance companies are going to feed on the frenzy. It's like a naked virgin being strapped in the mess hall of a prison.

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Coming to every got damn car in existence. Lane keep assist, collision mitigation, adaptive cruise, blind spot monitoring. Will be on everything sold before long. Gonna be very tough on manual transmissions too. Get you a new nice dinosaur without nannies while you can. You can't be penalized for the older car that didn't have the features available when you bought it.

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Stop inhibiting Darwin, say no to "safety aids".
It's inevitable. Reason: Mouf Breevers. They all want to be on their phone 24/7. Higher insurance costs, before we are dead, for those who want to drive themselves.
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that 2 star rating is egg on the face of Euro NCAP and ANCAP needs to calm its rhetoric.

you don't get to move the goal posts and pretend they were always there.
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The 2016 Mustang gets an Acceptable rating on the overlap test.


...and a Good on the side impact.
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What the ****, these are actual things taken into a safety evaluation? Goddamn, nanny-statism run amok.
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You are buying an AMERICAN V8 muscle car. Now dammit stop even reading about safety crap and pick of a bottle of beer and bite the damn top off while you flip burgers on a burning hot grill with your bare hand.

Muscle car people.. wear that two star rating with freaking PRIDE
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