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Old 01-06-2017, 09:02 AM   #1
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Nissan announced today at the 2017 CES (Consumer Electronics Show) in Las Vegas that the company will launch its second-generation all-electric LEAF passenger car in the near future.

It will be the first major revision for LEAF since its global and well publicised launch in 2010.

The major drawcard of the new LEAF is its improved, high-energy lithium-ion battery pack achieving an extended driving range and faster recharging.

Nissan did not confirm the range at CES but motoring.com.au understands it will be somewhere near 300km, well beyond the current maximum range of just 170km.

Nissan also did not comment about exterior design changes, which suggests the improvements will focus mainly of function rather than form, and will address many of the current LEAF’s shortcomings.

According to Nissan, its second-generation EV will also feature advanced autonomous technology.

“New LEAF will be equipped with ProPilot technology, enabling autonomous drive functionality for single-lane highway driving,” said the company in a press statement.

ProPilot, presently available only in Japan, will gradually be introduced globally through new model launches in Europe, Japan, China and the United States prior to 2020.

ProPilot is basically a suite of driver-assist technologies including Intelligent Around-View Monitor and Intelligent Lane Intervention.

Closer to home, LEAF sales in Australia have not been rosy.

While global sales exceed 250,000, Nissan Australia has worked hard to move only 1000 LEAF vehicles since its local introduction in 2012.

Nissan Australia will import the new-generation LEAF but did not comment as to when and would not hint at expected pricing, although we can anticipate the second-gen model will be priced above the current $39,990 sticker.

The launch of the new LEAF may not be well timed however.

GM has started dealer deliveries of the all-electric Chevrolet Bolt, and Tesla appears to be ahead of schedule by several months with development and production of its Model 3 sedan.

Rumours in Las Vegas claim Tesla may launch Model 3 in the United States by mid-2017 but the make-or-break Tesla EV will not reach Australia until 2019 at the earliest.

Both the Chevy Bolt and the Model 3 are setting the accepted standard, and LEAF must bring to the table a driving range beyond 300km if it is to compete successfully against the dynamic duo.
Next Nissan Leaf confirmed to be in development

During his keynote speech at the Consumer Electronics Show, Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn confirmed that a new Nissan Leaf is in development

A new Nissan Leaf is on the way, Carlos Ghosn has confirmed at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES).

The main subject of Ghosn’s keynote was upcoming autonomous and connected car technology, but Ghosn mentioned that the next Nissan Leaf would be fitted with Propilot technology – an autonomous system by Nissan which allows full autonomy on single-lane roads.


Ghosn refrained from putting a date on the next Leaf’s introduction, and a Nissan spokesman couldn’t reveal any more information on when the car will break cover, but it’s fair to expect a 2018 introduction, with the potential of a late 2017 reveal.

We expect the next Leaf to have a range of around 340 miles from a single charge, suggested on the IDS concept seen at the Tokyo motor show in 2015. The concept had a 60kWh battery pack which provided a range of between 310 and 340 miles. A potential approach is having tiers of battery range comprising the Leaf lineup, with more expensive cars featuring a more capacious battery pack.

The Nissan CEO’s keynote also highlighted artificial intelligence developed from NASA tech, which it calls ‘Seamless Autonomous Mobility’ (SAM), which combines human input with artificial intelligence to bridge the gap between roads populated with only human drivers and fully autonomous traffic.

The system builds the AI’s knowledge of what to do in unusual situations such as police waving people through traffic lights – something which would go against the car’s hard-wired logic - and, according to Nissan, will speed up the advent of fully autonomous cars by increasing their decision-making repertoire.

Also helping this on the way will be Nissan’s newly announced partnership with 100 Resilient Cities – which aims to ready cities around the world for the next generation of car technology, including mainstream autonomous and electric cars. The UK cities involved in this include Belfast, Bristol, London, Manchester and Glasgow.

Nissan is also looking into having Microsoft’s Cortana voice control system optimised for in-car use, continuing its partnership with Microsoft, joining the raft of manufacturers working on the function. Amazon is also reported to be bringing its Alexa voice system to the automotive sphere.


Another growing trend which Nissan is involved with is the trial of autonomous vehicles on public roads; the brand has teamed up with internet company DeNA to test electric commercial vehicles around the streets in designated areas of Tokyo. The scheme is aimed at becoming a commercially available service by 2020.
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:33 PM   #2
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Make sure you only lease any of these battery electrics. At these prices I might buy one for a toy See link for charts
http://jalopnik.com/newish-electric-...god-1790593342
“Second wave” electric cars– Fiat 500es, Cadillac ELRs and even Tesla Model Ss– are starting to return to dealerships after their first owners are done leasing them. Now apparently those dealerships are wholesaling these vehicles for, like, nothing.

First, a crash course in how dealerships trade stock and where leasing fits in–

Say it’s 2016 and you lease a 2016 Honda Civic for three years. 2019 comes around, your lease is up and the dealership takes the car back.

If yours was an exceptionally clean and/or desirable-spec car, the dealer might stick it on their lot for a few weeks as certified pre-owned inventory. But it’s more likely that they’ll pack it up and ship it, along with all the other off-lease and trade-in cars they got that week, to a wholesale auction.

These auctions can only be accessed by other car dealers. They’re the main source of inventory for basically every used car lot from decent independent outfits to sketchy buy-here pay-here dumps run by the mafia.

This is how the car you traded in to a well-respected franchise dealer like a Herb Chambers in the northeast or Galpin Auto in the southwest end up at some potholed “Bob’s Auto Sales” lot in a dodgy neighborhood near the airport.

So in 2013, people leased fully-electric Fiat 500es for three years. 2016 has come around and dealerships are getting these cars back. See what’s about to happen?

Based on this little data sample we were shown this week, those dealerships are wholesaling low-mileage used EVs at insanely discounted rates.

What you’re looking at here is a screengrab from a wholesale auction listing website. Specifically from Manheim auctions, which is one of (if not the) largest wholesale automotive auction house in America. They host unfathomably large auctions of used cars in warehouses every day of the week all over the country.

When I worked as a supply chain manager at a small network of used car dealerships, I would pore over lists like this to try and identify trends and good deals. Then I’d go spend tens of thousands of dollars of borrowed money at Manheim events every week hoping I was right.

But you don’t have to be a professional to see that the trend here is “insane depreciation.”

A 500e is MSRP’d at around $30,000 now. Can’t imagine it was much less in 2013. Now according to this list, these cars are selling for $4,500 with just around 12,000 miles-per-year. That’s like an 80 percent value drop in three years of regular usage! Is an AMG car even that bad?

Of course you, the average consumer, do not have access to these prices unless, you know, you know a guy. You’re going to have to pick one of these cars up from whatever bidder paid $5,000 for it at the auction and is now looking to make a profit. So what are these things selling for retail?
(Autotrader.com screengrab, 12/28/16)

Looks like around $11,000, which still seems ridiculously cheap for a three-year-old vehicles with below-average miles. If the dealers in this small smattering of AutoTrader listings I found in my cursory research paid the same prices we’re seeing in that Manheim screenshot, EVs are looking like god’s gift to used car dealers. What I’m saying is– a 100 percent markup is a lot.

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Masterauto - I have been cruising the interwebs looking at second hand leafs and the drop in value is astounding; I toyed with the idea of buying one for S&G, but my commute is going to increase next year and I can't merit buying something that won't be appropriate for my commute (eg. can't make a round trip on one charge in the winter). Maybe when these second gen's start coming off lease I'll pick one up at asteeply discounted rate, assuming the depreciation hits them as hard as it did the first gens.
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the OEMs typically sell these off-lease EVs to company employees at the wholesale price, so yeah there are regular people out there getting sub $5000 three year old cars.

problem is, they're cheap for a reason. How badly do you want a sub 100 mile range EV when the newest ones coming out are so much better (Bolt)? and a used Model S is still pretty expensive.
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The design language is not horrible looking. I don't mind the current "bloated French frog" look. But this could be a winner.
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I put in a call to them today to work up me buying it off lease. If it's a dollar more than 10k they can keep the f'in thing! 10k or less worth every dime, but not a penny over. Depends on current rebate corporate offers as to how good the buyout is. Last time I called would have cost me 13-14k. I'll find out tomorrow. One thing I do know, they ain't dealing on new leases like they used to. My SL w/PP leases for almost double what I pay per month now. If I buy it I'm gonna let my friend who owns a clearbra/wrap biz (best in our state btw) wrap the whole thing with some ridiculous scheme.....

Edit: Did some digging. Nissan are being pricks to folks leasing at the end of their lease wanting to buy. They give them a stupid offer (higher than what they are going for on the open market, ebay, etc), person leasing says FU, turns it in. Then Nissan doesn't want to F with it and sells it at auction for 5k. Buyers purchase for 5k, and put it on ebay for 8k. Idiots. If they would have offered their leasing folks the damn thing for 8k, they'd make more money but this is sadly how they are doing it. Doesn't make much sense to me unless it's a tax/write-off thing that's more advantageous to the corp vs. selling them cheaper to leasing folks.

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The design language is not horrible looking. I don't mind the current "bloated French frog" look. But this could be a winner.
I agree. Any improvement in design will be an upgrade over the current "style."

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I put in a call to them today to work up me buying it off lease. If it's a dollar more than 10k they can keep the f'in thing! 10k or less worth every dime, but not a penny over. Depends on current rebate corporate offers as to how good the buyout is. Last time I called would have cost me 13-14k. I'll find out tomorrow. One thing I do know, they ain't dealing on new leases like they used to. My SL w/PP leases for almost double what I pay per month now. If I buy it I'm gonna let my friend who owns a clearbra/wrap biz (best in our state btw) wrap the whole thing with some ridiculous scheme.....

Edit: Did some digging. Nissan are being pricks to folks leasing at the end of their lease wanting to buy. They give them a stupid offer (higher than what they are going for on the open market, ebay, etc), person leasing says FU, turns it in. Then Nissan doesn't want to F with it and sells it at auction for 5k. Buyers purchase for 5k, and put it on ebay for 8k. Idiots. If they would have offered their leasing folks the damn thing for 8k, they'd make more money but this is sadly how they are doing it. Doesn't make much sense to me unless it's a tax/write-off thing that's more advantageous to the corp vs. selling them cheaper to leasing folks.
Pre- what year is your Leaf? Did you get any offers in the mail from Nissan about rebates if you buyout your lease? I work at a store that has Nissan and the older the Leaf lease the better the buyout assistance was. I do not believe they currently have the program, but it was awesome for people leasing the car and they did it for the exact reason that Masterauto was talking about the cars depreciating like a rock off of a cliff. The best I saw was a lady I sold a Leaf to that bought out her '13 Leaf w/ 12,000 miles for $4,600!?!

I wish the lease on my '12 Leaf lasted a bit longer as I probably would have bought it out for a cheap commuter car.
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Low priced off lease EV sounds like a winner to a great many people, but I think it was mentioned before. Like all technology products, and that is exactly what an EV is. They become obsolete in a few years. Would you buy an iPhone 4 for 50 bucks? I doubt it. In the race to making disposable cars, the EV is at the forefront.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:13 PM   #11
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They become obsolete in a few years. Would you buy an iPhone 4 for 50 bucks? I doubt it.
I still have my obsolete 4S. But of course I do.
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Pre- what year is your Leaf? Did you get any offers in the mail from Nissan about rebates if you buyout your lease? I work at a store that has Nissan and the older the Leaf lease the better the buyout assistance was. I do not believe they currently have the program, but it was awesome for people leasing the car and they did it for the exact reason that Masterauto was talking about the cars depreciating like a rock off of a cliff. The best I saw was a lady I sold a Leaf to that bought out her '13 Leaf w/ 12,000 miles for $4,600!?!

I wish the lease on my '12 Leaf lasted a bit longer as I probably would have bought it out for a cheap commuter car.
It's a 2013 SL/PP. If you can get me hooked up like that lady, man I'll write you a personal check for doing it, nobody would be the wiser. If you want to PM me, I'm happy to give you my VIN, details, etc. Nissan corporate isn't doing rebates right now, at least that I know of. They did last year. There was a month where they had a $7500 rebate. My Nissan guy called me back this morning and said my buyout is $16,200 as of today, and my lease is up at the end of April. So you see, if there was a $7500 rebate now, that would put me at $8700 to buy it, and I'd write a check. Every month starting late this month that number goes down $200 and some change, so at lease turn it time that could be $7800. That's my goal. I've read up and there is going to be a metric f ton of these coming off lease between now and May. I forget which but one of the months between March '14 and May '14 was their highest monthly sales of these, ever, so Nissan may even offer something higher than a $7500 rebate between now and then due to the shear amount of these coming off lease at the same time which would be pure gold for me, just like the lady you talked about. I'd buy the extended warranty for as long as Nissan will extend it, write a check, and be real damn happy, backflips. That's so cheap when the battery goes tits up I'd just spend the money to swap it out. I still have a feeling some company out there is gonna make a replacement pack for these cars with more range than original.

I'll have $9k in it, total for 36 months including the down payment. If I can get a buyout for 5, 6, or 7k, man this will be the buy of my lifetime. That would be 1/2 the original MSRP. Even factoring in the original federal tax credit Nissan got, a steal. But I need that Nissan rebate/credit to come back like a puppy needs a tattay to suckle on. My fingers are crossed.
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Pre- I hear you on the lease rebate. Hopefully, they bring that back for you before your lease is up. It was kind of sporadic last year, but I had a number of people take advantage of it. Most people were between $6k & $9k for their buyout after the rebate.

Your battery is comprised of a number of individual cells so if one goes bad they only have to replace once cell and not the entire pack. Your battery should have a 8yr/100,000 mile warranty right from the factory.

An SL has quite a few more electronics than the base Leaf so an extended warranty is never a bad idea and they can usually get you a deal on the warranty. I would do a Zurich warranty over a Nissan one as Nissan extended warranties typically do not cover the Navigation, which is crazy expensive. I had a Leaf guest that their back up camera went bad on their more basic model (without navigation) and it cost $1,600 just in parts!?!
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Pete, thank you. Please holler at me if you hear anything on this. For me very important.
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Pre, I will keep an eye on it for you, but it may be different between states. I would imagine you would see something in the mail. Did you say your lease is up in April?
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Pre, I will keep an eye on it for you, but it may be different between states. I would imagine you would see something in the mail. Did you say your lease is up in April?
Yes sir. Unbelievable they'd rather them go to auction but it's the beginning of the year and tons of them coming off lease in the coming months....
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The 300 mile range should be the magic number. Time will tell.
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Pre, I will keep an eye on it for you, but it may be different between states. I would imagine you would see something in the mail. Did you say your lease is up in April?
I got it sorted today. Mine is a SL with Premium package. Bought it today, with 16.7k on the ODO for $6700 +TTL. I had a deal with a Nissan dealer out of state for $7500 but my same salesman I got it from hooked it up, big time. I had dropped it off in service to get some exterior plastic window trim replaced as it had faded an I didn't want to get dinged for it at lease turn in next month. I let him have a shot on goal and he nailed it. I didn't even bother haggling as that is much better than I've seen on the Leaf forum considering the trim and optional premium package.

I opted to get the extended warranty. 4, 5, and 6 year options were all within $300 of each other. Paid a couple hundred over cost for the warranty. Nissan bumper to bumpers aren't cheap but when it was explained that it's 4, 5, or 6 years starting today, not when I got it 3 years ago, I eased and went for it. So from today I have 6 years and 80k bumper to bumper. I figured at the end of the day any coming ev is gonna be 25k or more, and while they will be much nicer with much more range and features, $6700 is too good to pass up. I'd regret it. It's just a work/gym/grocery getter toaster mobile, a cheap and efficient DD.

I'm out of the car game for 10-15 years now, which was my end game with the coming nannies and rising msrp's. Happy as a starved pig seeing the slop buckets coming. If I knew it would go down like this I probably wouldn't have driven it like a sports car, banging away from lights, pushing the chassis within an inch of its' life in turns every time I drive it.....but the one smart thing I did (and maybe only one )was charge to the 80% threshold in the settings, more than 90% of the time, over the past 3 years, so the battery pack is as mint as could be. I've maintained the batteries like I maintain my engines. The rest of the car, maybe not so much
The one thing I've seen is people losing bars with 5 years and 60k, resulting in a new battery pack, and the owner having to foot $500-600 in labor only. When it's done their new range is 110-120 miles so I have a new video game level to beat now.

I had been parking it outside in the sun, and now have to figure out how I'm gonna put everything in the garage. First world problems means some bursig stands when I can afford them.

N&R community, especially the Booby pampers wearers, should be happy as I'll spend much less time on here now. Out the game yo! If it weren't Lent I'd be knocking a cold one back right now!
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I'm pretty sure the extended warranties start at date of service. Your salesman lied to you.
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I'm pretty sure the extended warranties start at date of service. Your salesman lied to you.

The car was sold to me as a used vehicle. There are tricks to this game that you obviously don't understand. My 6 year 80k warranty started 3/24. Salesman doesn't handle extended warranties by the way, finance does. Not my first rodeo kid. You should watch who you call liars. My "salesman" is the same one I leased it from 3 years ago so not the first time we have done some business.
I don't deal with liars, just hecklers on the etherwebz it seems.
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N&R community, especially the Booby pampers wearers, should be happy as I'll spend much less time on here now. Out the game yo! If it weren't Lent I'd be knocking a cold one back right now!
Praise Jesus!
Well ****, this place is going to get a lot duller.
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The car was sold to me as a used vehicle. There are tricks to this game that you obviously don't understand. My 6 year 80k warranty started 3/24. Salesman doesn't handle extended warranties by the way, finance does. Not my first rodeo kid. You should watch who you call liars. My "salesman" is the same one I leased it from 3 years ago so not the first time we have done some business.

I don't deal with liars, just hecklers on the etherwebz it seems.

Post up the terms of this warranty then.
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Post up the terms of this warranty then.
Why should I? You already called my people liars. You can do your own got damn work and look up Nissan VSC's. Find the section on gold preferred. I already told you what I got, you're just being an a$$ hole about it.

And you remind me why I need to get off these forums. You get something, then there is always someone butt hurt about it. I mean they really get some sand in it.
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