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Old 11-26-2018, 04:24 PM   #226
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It was getting a 53 HP and 60 lb/ft bump as well has the extended range.

320+ lb/ft in a small hatch could be quite fun.
ok, so by high performance they mean real actual performance.

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Old 11-26-2018, 04:25 PM   #227
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might as well buy a Kona Electric.
I plan on it.

If the leaf had a 250 ish mile range i would be all over it.
I do like the Kona dude. it has that funky vibe that can make you smile.
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:47 PM   #228
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ok, so by high performance they mean real actual performance.

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You should check out this little known company called Tesla.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:22 PM   #229
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might as well buy a Kona Electric.
I plan on it.

If the leaf had a 250 ish mile range i would be all over it.
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The 2019 Hyundai Kona EV will launch in California only, and at some point months later, become available in the other nine CARB ZEV states. (Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont). I was told by Hyundai representatives that there’s no guarantee they will offer the Kona EV outside of the ZEV states at any point, and that even if they do the dealers in those states likely won’t stock them. However, if a customer in a non-ZEV state wants one, they can special order it from a Hyundai dealer, but they’d need to do so without seeing or test driving it.

https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-e...c-not-for-usa/
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:16 PM   #230
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Mom still lives in the dirty jerz, but id be confident in special ordering it.

I could probably keep it registered in NJ if i really wanted to. Sales tax free and no stupid $100 yearly EV fee in NC.
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Old 11-27-2018, 01:45 AM   #231
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Old 11-27-2018, 08:31 AM   #232
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You should check out this little known company called Tesla.
Nope overpriced golf carts are not my thing. Especially ugly ones with QC issues rampant.

If I had to drive a car with a motor that sounds like a blender, I would go with a mainstream automaker who have more experience in assembling cars that look properly put together. But as long as I have a choice, I choose my fun cars with engines that have sound and manual transmission.
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Old 01-22-2019, 03:05 PM   #233
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might as well buy a Kona Electric.
I plan on it.

If the leaf had a 250 ish mile range i would be all over it.
Looks like the new Leaf Plus due out this spring will have a range of 226 miles. Not bad. I had a 2012 Leaf and even with only a 73 mile range (epa rating) I would usually only charge it once a week (maybe twice a week in the winter). With mainly city driving my range on that car was usually actually well over 100 miles. It looks like the new ones with the epa rating of 151 miles are pretty easy to get close to 200 miles or a little over if you do mainly city driving.

I wonder if they will end up bringing the Nismo Leaf to the U.S. That could be a fun car.
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Looks like the new Leaf Plus due out this spring will have a range of 226 miles. Not bad. I had a 2012 Leaf and even with only a 73 mile range (epa rating) I would usually only charge it once a week (maybe twice a week in the winter). With mainly city driving my range on that car was usually actually well over 100 miles. It looks like the new ones with the epa rating of 151 miles are pretty easy to get close to 200 miles or a little over if you do mainly city driving.

I wonder if they will end up bringing the Nismo Leaf to the U.S. That could be a fun car.
I'd prefer the Leaf RC.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:40 PM   #235
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I'd prefer the Leaf RC.
No doubt. I have a feeling the RC won't be offered to the public.
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Looks like the new Leaf Plus due out this spring will have a range of 226 miles. Not bad. I had a 2012 Leaf and even with only a 73 mile range (epa rating) I would usually only charge it once a week (maybe twice a week in the winter). With mainly city driving my range on that car was usually actually well over 100 miles. It looks like the new ones with the epa rating of 151 miles are pretty easy to get close to 200 miles or a little over if you do mainly city driving.

I wonder if they will end up bringing the Nismo Leaf to the U.S. That could be a fun car.
Unfortunately its still Chademo charging with basically is nissan only and isnt what the rest of the industry is using. ( CCS )
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Nope overpriced golf carts are not my thing. Especially ugly ones with QC issues rampant.

If I had to drive a car with a motor that sounds like a blender, I would go with a mainstream automaker who have more experience in assembling cars that look properly put together. But as long as I have a choice, I choose my fun cars with engines that have sound and manual transmission.
He said Tesla, not Mitsubishi iMiev.

That's a literal golf cart with airbags.
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Old 01-23-2019, 07:32 PM   #238
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Unfortunately its still Chademo charging with basically is nissan only and isnt what the rest of the industry is using. ( CCS )
That is for fast charging which is in big cities and unfortunately, nowhere near me. Nissan uses the same level 2 charger as every other brand I can think of and that is what I see at most dealerships. We have had BMWs, Fords, Chevys, Teslas, Mitsubishis, VWs, etc. use the level 2 chargers at our Nissan store.
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Well, Chademo was the first and dominated Japan and Europe for the first few years. Then SAE decided it needed to be an American based standard so it developed CCS. Many cars will now support both.
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Unfortunately its still Chademo charging with basically is nissan only and isnt what the rest of the industry is using. ( CCS )
Newsflash, you only need an adapter.

All the 480V DC fast chargers here are Chademo. The exception is the Tesla superchargers but good luck finding those. It’s not a big deal either way.
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So the first rounds of off lease 2018+ Leafs are hitting the market. So you can get a Sub 7K mile one for $24K, and a fully loaded (with Propilot and leather) for $26K. Heck one of the local ones only had 5K miles on it.

Just checked and a similarly optioned 2018 Honda Civic is $27,500. Seems right in line for a well optioned hatchback. But...I have heard issues with the older Leaf's bettery degradation. So I Went and dove into the forums and the interwebs to compare. It seems the 24KW wasn't too bad at ~2% a year loss. Then Nissan's Battery vendor increases the size to 30KW, but the loss is almost 10% per year. I see a law suite or massive battery replacement program on those soon. The initial data on the 40KW (only 1 year of data) seems to much better at less than 2% without the temperature management. It will be interesting to see how the 62kw will be with that.
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So the first rounds of off lease 2018+ Leafs are hitting the market. So you can get a Sub 7K mile one for $24K, and a fully loaded (with Propilot and leather) for $26K. Heck one of the local ones only had 5K miles on it.

Just checked and a similarly optioned 2018 Honda Civic is $27,500. Seems right in line for a well optioned hatchback. But...I have heard issues with the older Leaf's bettery degradation. So I Went and dove into the forums and the interwebs to compare. It seems the 24KW wasn't too bad at ~2% a year loss. Then Nissan's Battery vendor increases the size to 30KW, but the loss is almost 10% per year. I see a law suite or massive battery replacement program on those soon. The initial data on the 40KW (only 1 year of data) seems to much better at less than 2% without the temperature management. It will be interesting to see how the 62kw will be with that.
Our 2013 has been used and abused for 6 years with plenty of hot weather exposure. About 10% total loss, ~85 mile range, and drives like new.

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Those numbers are from Nissan themselves, and I have to give them props on acknowledging the problem with the 30 KW batteries.
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So the first rounds of off lease 2018+ Leafs are hitting the market. So you can get a Sub 7K mile one for $24K, and a fully loaded (with Propilot and leather) for $26K. Heck one of the local ones only had 5K miles on it.
Wow. That's worth it. I guess when my warranty runs out on mine (4 years iirc) I will buy another one off lease, but this time it won't be my own. I'm still going to try and get the 110 mile range battery pack swapped in mine before the 7 year battery pack warranty runs out. I need to lose one more bar and I can swing it. Just have to pay the $600 labor fee out of pocket. ODO is at 26k so I have managed the car well as a DD. At 26k it's really worth it.
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So the first rounds of off lease 2018+ Leafs are hitting the market. So you can get a Sub 7K mile one for $24K, and a fully loaded (with Propilot and leather) for $26K. Heck one of the local ones only had 5K miles on it.

Just checked and a similarly optioned 2018 Honda Civic is $27,500. Seems right in line for a well optioned hatchback. But...I have heard issues with the older Leaf's bettery degradation. So I Went and dove into the forums and the interwebs to compare. It seems the 24KW wasn't too bad at ~2% a year loss. Then Nissan's Battery vendor increases the size to 30KW, but the loss is almost 10% per year. I see a law suite or massive battery replacement program on those soon. The initial data on the 40KW (only 1 year of data) seems to much better at less than 2% without the temperature management. It will be interesting to see how the 62kw will be with that.
It seems like the really amazing deals are on the 1st gen Leaf lease returns. A lot of them go for <$10k and have very low mileage.

Nissan has a warranty for capacity loss, but it is really only an issue in extreme heat. Up here in WI at the Nissan dealer I work at I have sold & leased and taken back in many Leaf cars. I have yet to see one lose even 1 bar of capacity. This includes my 2012 which was driven hard and stored outside in subzero temps all winter.
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