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Old 08-03-2019, 06:15 PM   #26
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I think they did the same with Dark Gray Metallic for the 2008 Forester.
It's also probably because they're discontinuing the color altogether. If the factory is replacing the color with another, ALL cars will get that color regardless of where they are in their life cycle. It's like the Obsidian Black ->Crystal Black Silica changeover etc.
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Old 08-03-2019, 06:27 PM   #27
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Johnny waited years for a new Subaru STI with a new motor. Welp, Johnny died this week.
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Old 08-03-2019, 08:36 PM   #28
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It's interesting that they would introduce a new color for just one MY before the new generation.

Same with Lightning Red/Pure Red and Galaxy Blue/Lapis Blue. I guess it makes the one-year colors more of a unicorn though. Galaxy Blue is super nice but you hardly see any of them around.
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It's also probably because they're discontinuing the color altogether. If the factory is replacing the color with another, ALL cars will get that color regardless of where they are in their life cycle. It's like the Obsidian Black ->Crystal Black Silica changeover etc.

This. It's not a new color.


And how do you know this is the last MY?
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Old 08-03-2019, 09:33 PM   #29
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The EJ25T is getting a heck of a ride! Maybe they figured since the S209 is coming out (odds are some stuff from that will roll into the 2020) and the Ascent, Outback, and Legacy are new for 2020, they would move the STi and WRX off a year in the cycle.
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:11 PM   #30
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The EJ25T is getting a heck of a ride! Maybe they figured since the S209 is coming out (odds are some stuff from that will roll into the 2020) and the Ascent, Outback, and Legacy are new for 2020, they would move the STi and WRX off a year in the cycle.

I'm going to disagree with this. The S series cars are hand made. That ain't moving over to the regular cars. I think we are going to get Series.White, Magnetite Gray and that's probably about it for changes.
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:23 AM   #31
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Maybe 7 years is the new WRX/STI cycle? GV/GR was 7 years. I assumed because of the VA not being ready, but also a couple of years spent on the narrow body WRX might have done it too. Widebody 2011 needed more time to shine.
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:51 PM   #32
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Man these cars are so long on the tooth. I'm surprised they still sell well quite frankly seeing how outdated they look inside and out but I would have to say the WRX/STI is one of the rare cars in the industry like the Toyota Corolla where people just buy them regardless of how good they are. I'm willing to bet they could go to 2025 with this gen and still sell more than 15k annually.
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:56 PM   #33
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Man these cars are so long on the tooth. I'm surprised they still sell well quite frankly seeing how outdated they look inside and out but I would have to say the WRX/STI is one of the rare cars in the industry like the Toyota Corolla where people just buy them regardless of how good they are. I'm willing to bet they could go to 2025 with these cars and still sell more than 10k of them annually.
I don't think they look that outdated from the outside. The rear end, maybe. The front bumper refresh helped a bit. The body lines are still attractive to me. In my opinion, most econoboxes out there are just overly designed from an aesthetic standpoint, given their performance (or lack thereof). You have boring commuter cars that look just as aggressive as a WRX yet struggle merging onto freeways. Perhaps it's a great strategy to make buyers (non-car people) think and feel that their car is faster and cooler than it actually is.

If you want to talk about long in the tooth, look no further than the 370Z. That car is 10+ years old and is on track to span production into 3 different decades.
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There is nothing outdated about the current STI/WRX outside of the EJ engine. And only because of poor fuel economy and turbo lag but actual performance is still excellent for this class.
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There is nothing outdated about the current STI/WRX outside of the EJ engine. And only because of poor fuel economy and turbo lag but actual performance is still excellent for this class.
Exactly, besides the Golf R, 40kish or less for power, handling, awd, etc, not many cars out there in that segment.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:56 PM   #36
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WRX/STI design is derived from the 2012 Impreza, so in that sense it is outdated. I really hate looking at the interior of that car. My 2014 Crosstrek pisses me off, but also makes me appreciate my 2017 Impreza that much more.

That's why I've said the WRX/STI should get an interior upgrade before the Impreza, or at least the Impreza should get a trickle down interior from them. To me it makes sense to build your best sports cars, and then water them down to econoboxes. Yes, the econobox might seem "over-engineered" but that's pretty much what Mazda does without a performance car and it's getting them lots of praise.

I'd love it if Subaru was like, "Here's your 160 hp WRX Lite," as the Impreza. FB16DIT engine. CVT. Drives very well. Has standard LED headlights. Starting price of $20k.

As it is, the Impreza comes first, and the WRX/STI are engineered around that. Seems like that would get old real quick from an engineering perspective.
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:55 PM   #37
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2021 or even 2022 for new release is perfectly fine for me. My 16 STI and 19 WRX are fantastic cars in their own ways along with my 17 Golf-R (all MT). I can't really ask for more at the moment.

However, I am looking to add another car.. RWD. Looking seriously at a new 718 (MT). I was considering the S209, but they would be so rare, I'd hate it if I got into an accident or something and sourcing parts would take forever. I'll just buy a diecast and keep it in my garage. LOL. 718's aren't that hard to find. I'm trying to decide getting the base 2.0L or the 2.5L.. I think the 2.0L will be more fun to drive on street as I can wring out the engine more.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:40 PM   #38
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Besides the color, an electronic parking brake, and the return of leather I donít see many changes. E-brake, hard pass!
I wonder if the electronic parking brake will be on both the WRX and the STi? It appears to be listed under "WRX". I'd prefer the E-brake, especially if it comes with an improved hill start function.
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Here is a closer look at the 2020 WRX/ STI

http://www.subaru-global.com/ebrochu....html?nav=next
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Answered my own question:
http://www.subaru-global.com/ebrochu....html?nav=next

WRX only.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:02 AM   #41
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WRX/STI design is derived from the 2012 Impreza, so in that sense it is outdated. I really hate looking at the interior of that car. My 2014 Crosstrek pisses me off, but also makes me appreciate my 2017 Impreza that much more.

That's why I've said the WRX/STI should get an interior upgrade before the Impreza, or at least the Impreza should get a trickle down interior from them. To me it makes sense to build your best sports cars, and then water them down to econoboxes. Yes, the econobox might seem "over-engineered" but that's pretty much what Mazda does without a performance car and it's getting them lots of praise.

I'd love it if Subaru was like, "Here's your 160 hp WRX Lite," as the Impreza. FB16DIT engine. CVT. Drives very well. Has standard LED headlights. Starting price of $20k.

As it is, the Impreza comes first, and the WRX/STI are engineered around that. Seems like that would get old real quick from an engineering perspective.
Exactly, I have a bad feeling they're just going to release the 202(1/2) WRX/STI with the old and tired interior from the current gen Impreza which will be 6+ years old by the time the cars hit the market. This wasn't a problem when the Impreza/WRX lineup was even since the interiors were mostly the same for the entire duration of both cars. Since they made the split though, the WRX has had an objectively much worse interior and ergonomics for the majority of this decade since the Impreza has been a generation ahead of it.

I still think Mazda has a plan to do something with the new 3, they added AWD and keep mentioning how a turbo engine fits for a reason. It probably won't be called "Mazdaspeed" anymore, but I feel like they're definitely going to have some type of performance variant. And since the Mazda3 has an incredible interior to begin with, it will at least feel modern enough for the price point it will probably be at.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:06 AM   #42
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Well then....i was definitely hoping for a new STi next year as im getting a little tired of my 2015 wrx. I think i will buy a Civic Si today and play with that until the new STi comes out.
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Exactly, I have a bad feeling they're just going to release the 202(1/2) WRX/STI with the old and tired interior from the current gen Impreza which will be 6+ years old by the time the cars hit the market. This wasn't a problem when the Impreza/WRX lineup was even since the interiors were mostly the same for the entire duration of both cars. Since they made the split though, the WRX has had an objectively much worse interior and ergonomics for the majority of this decade since the Impreza has been a generation ahead of it.

I still think Mazda has a plan to do something with the new 3, they added AWD and keep mentioning how a turbo engine fits for a reason. It probably won't be called "Mazdaspeed" anymore, but I feel like they're definitely going to have some type of performance variant. And since the Mazda3 has an incredible interior to begin with, it will at least feel modern enough for the price point it will probably be at.
If they swap out the torsion rear and add a turbo, I'll probably switch to Mazda. They've had my eye for years. Just been waiting for AWD.

This is assuming the Impreza doesn't get the FB16DIT engine, the STI doesn't get the FA motor, or there's no hatchback WRX/STI. It's really not a tall order, but Subaru is full of surprises.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:20 AM   #44
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If they swap out the torsion rear and add a turbo, I'll probably switch to Mazda. They've had my eye for years. Just been waiting for AWD.

This is assuming the Impreza doesn't get the FB16DIT engine, the STI doesn't get the FA motor, or there's no hatchback WRX/STI. It's really not a tall order, but Subaru is full of surprises.
I don't see the big deal regarding a torsion beam on a commuter car, at least the non-turbo 2.5 one they currently sell. It's not like it's going to make a difference one way or another. They definitely need to do it for whatever their "turbo" version is called though. However, I'd definitely take a Mazda3 AWD Hatch over the Impreza Sport though. 40 more horsepower, a real transmission, and a high quality interior all for about the same price (MSRP vs MSRP, since I know you can get killer deals on Imprezas).

I'm keeping an open mind, but I have my doubts Subaru will put out anything "game changing" for the next gen WRX/STI whenever they do put it out. I'm guessing it will be a slightly modified current gen 2017+ Impreza and they'll milk that for another 6+ years or until the market completely dies and they cancel it.
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I don't see the big deal regarding a torsion beam on a commuter car, at least the non-turbo 2.5 one they currently sell. It's not like it's going to make a difference one way or another. They definitely need to do it for whatever their "turbo" version is called though. However, I'd definitely take a Mazda3 AWD Hatch over the Impreza Sport though. 40 more horsepower, a real transmission, and a high quality interior all for about the same price (MSRP vs MSRP, since I know you can get killer deals on Imprezas).

I'm keeping an open mind, but I have my doubts Subaru will put out anything "game changing" for the next gen WRX/STI whenever they do put it out. I'm guessing it will be a slightly modified current gen 2017+ Impreza and they'll milk that for another 6+ years or until the market completely dies and they cancel it.
The only advantages of a torsion beam rear over any IRS system are cost and packaging; there are numerous disadvantages however: a torsion beam will handle worse, be more jarring over broken pavement, and make the weight distribution in an FF even worse (aka more nose heavy).

Even in something that is only going to be a "commuter car", especially when you consider the asking price of the Mazda3, a torsion beam is a slap to the face of anyone who has any idea of what suspension does in a car.

Everyone was lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks when Ford refused to move from a LRA to an IRS in the non-cobra mustang until 2015, now Mazda moves back to a torsion beam and gets praise for it when it was only done as a cost cutting measure.

If Mazda is indeed the automotive enthusiasts brand that it's touted as, BMW must still make the ultimate driving machine.

I too have low hopes for the next get WRX/STi; it's not what the majority of the market wants; very few people actually want to drive anymore, the WRX will get more carolla-esque, they already put a e-parking brake in place of the handbrake which is a huge step in the wrong direction, the STi will probably just linger on with special editions.

FA24 on the SGP with the existing STi drive train would be great, but very unlikely.
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Old 08-05-2019, 12:34 PM   #47
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Man these cars are so long on the tooth. I'm surprised they still sell well quite frankly seeing how outdated they look inside and out but I would have to say the WRX/STI is one of the rare cars in the industry like the Toyota Corolla where people just buy them regardless of how good they are. I'm willing to bet they could go to 2025 with this gen and still sell more than 15k annually.
This here. As others mentioned, the WRX and STI are pretty unique cars, or really more like they occupy very odd niches that few other mfg's can quite land near. The performance bang for buck is high and the image and brand factor are big. And so despite quality, features and styling/design being pretty rough, its a staple.

Because of all of this, I think there's a slight double edged sword thing where you can at least count on them to keep giving them to us (it sells.) But your hopes as a fan looking forward to big things are frequently let down by the fact that to keep the cars in their sweet spot, improvements come in small increments and way-too-late feeling timing.

And I almost hope things don't change for the next gen. WRX practically same as current but looks different, nicer interior? STI same thing but new motor? Boring, but do you know what it beats? SUVs. Clearly nothing is coming anytime soon, since there has been a total absence of spy stuff. Look at previous gen concept>testing spy shots>launch/sales timeline, and something might be wrong. Viziv Performance Concepts not materializing tells me they might be getting an... overhaul.
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I'd definitely take a Mazda3 AWD Hatch over the Impreza Sport though. 40 more horsepower, a real transmission, and a high quality interior all for about the same price (MSRP vs MSRP, since I know you can get killer deals on Imprezas).
What do you mean by "real"?

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I don't think they look that outdated from the outside. The rear end, maybe. The front bumper refresh helped a bit. The body lines are still attractive to me. In my opinion, most econoboxes out there are just overly designed from an aesthetic standpoint, given their performance (or lack thereof). You have boring commuter cars that look just as aggressive as a WRX yet struggle merging onto freeways. Perhaps it's a great strategy to make buyers (non-car people) think and feel that their car is faster and cooler than it actually is.

If you want to talk about long in the tooth, look no further than the 370Z. That car is 10+ years old and is on track to span production into 3 different decades.
These cars are rocking 2008 EVO X angular styling that's well over a decade old. This is the only forum where you will hear people think these cars still look current trust me.
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I think you must realize he's saying the CVT isn't a real transmission. It's probably more fair to say a "non-dimestore transmission" as CVT's are cheap, cheap, cheap.
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