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06-11-2014, 12:59 PM | #2876 |
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2622327
another 4th gear dyno. not sure why you would dyno in 5th
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06-11-2014, 03:52 PM | #2877 | |
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I thought the iwg on the efr turbos were fantastic. So why does everybody go ewg? Especially on the TS this would add to cost and complexity, but not much gain. |
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06-11-2014, 04:18 PM | #2878 |
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the EFR's ewg housing is a 1.05 A/R which is more stable at higher boost levels and will exhibit reduced pre-turbine EMAP (exhaust manifold backpressure) compared to the EFR iwg housing which is 0.92 a/r
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06-11-2014, 05:11 PM | #2879 |
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What cams are you running Geoff?
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06-11-2014, 06:16 PM | #2880 |
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thats not my car I posted the graphs of, its Marcos Guzman's : http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2491068
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06-13-2014, 11:37 PM | #2881 |
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Finally got my car on the dyno, a dynomite. Borg warner S360 83/74. 26 psi e85(e70 winter)
It made 608hp and 540 torque corrected at 15% correction, so 516hp and 459 tq actual. http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7274915d.jpg |
06-14-2014, 08:26 AM | #2882 |
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Tim, which turbine housing A/R and header are you using?
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06-14-2014, 01:54 PM | #2883 |
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06-14-2014, 07:24 PM | #2884 |
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510wtq max w/458wtq at 4000RPM!
EFR 7064 on an Element Tuning Pro Comp Motor with a Moore Performance Twin Scroll Turbo Kit
510WTQ/508WHP Note: The red lines are my car on April 17th, 2014 and the dashed lines are another customer's Stage 2+ WRX for a comparison. I have had a build thread over in the built motor section for several years while I have struggled to get my car working correct. Here's a link to my thread: My 500whp build - Element Pro Comp motor and Moore Performance Twin Scroll Kit! In short, the car is amazing! 510wtq max w/458wtq at 4000RPM is something that I have never experienced in a turbo car, especially a Subaru. |
06-19-2014, 12:41 PM | #2885 |
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Tuned my GC8 today(E85, EJ207 block with GC8 Heads fitted with STi shimless buckets, no porting. Invidia 1.5 headers, ID1300 injectors) with its new turbo. Results were astonishing, Making 166awkw more under the curve than my old turbo with more power to boot.
Red trace is Garrett 2876R with billet comp wheel other tracers are with the BW EFR 6758 added Kelford 274/270 cams with the BW Matt Dusty from 4hrs dyno work...naked, flares being painted Last edited by boostdr; 06-25-2014 at 11:37 AM. |
06-25-2014, 11:40 AM | #2886 |
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I learnt that changing the wastegate tension when hot is a bad idea. The lower 10mm nut stripped and locked on the shaft.
Full-Race advised to use anti-seeze and not adjust when hot does to metal expansion. Adjustment was also no where near the table recommendation. Full-race advised and extra stiff gate will be released in the next couple of months. Matt |
06-25-2014, 11:52 AM | #2887 |
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Pure Nickle NeverSieze is your friend on all exhaust fasteners.
You dont want the super stiff wga unless you dont care about using part throttle while racing. You want a dual port actuator like the one full race sells and a 4 port ebcs. |
06-25-2014, 12:43 PM | #2888 |
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You can use a 3 port just fine. The dump to atmo just needs to be plumbed into the second can so the dumping pressure is used to keep it closed, then as the ebcs switches to open the WG it will stop dumping pressure (keeping the WG closed) and send the signal to the lower can to open.
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06-25-2014, 12:45 PM | #2889 | |
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06-25-2014, 12:53 PM | #2890 |
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Yes, you need a vent otherwise you end up with pressure on the top and bottom of the diagphram that cancel each other out.
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06-25-2014, 02:00 PM | #2891 | |
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Link to an EBCS that you speak of? Also, link to the actuator? Thanks |
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06-25-2014, 02:09 PM | #2892 |
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http://www.full-race.com/store/turbo...-actuator.html
Thanks guys some good info there. Are these canistors physically bigger than the OEM? mine already fouls on my silicon outlet. |
06-25-2014, 02:09 PM | #2893 |
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The actuator I got required modding and was from southeast power systems. I think its like a ford ecoboost OEM part number or something. The turbosmart actuator full race sells just needs a plug removed and a fitting threaded in to be a 2 port.
I forget the source I had for this same noid for $68 including fittings but its out there. http://www.jbtuned.com/products/mac-...enoid-pwm.html |
06-25-2014, 11:35 PM | #2894 |
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Alex Maximov / Cornfed Racing / Moore. Automotive Performance
Old Setup - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eZQkfsT_uc **HUGE thanks to the guys at full race!!!** Event: dyno pull + tune 06/15/2014 Location: Moore Automotive, Fairfax, VA (703) 352-3535 Ambient Temp: 80F Elevation: 357 feet Weather: Warm and Humid Tires: 315 v710s Car: 2007 STi Tuner: Chris Hoover Tuner/Master Technician - Moore Automotive COBB, Speed Density Dyno Info: DynoJet 424xLC2 Transmission: 6 speed Gear: 4th Peak HP at RPM: not SAE 535.22 Peak Torque at RPM: 557.76 Target Boost: Boost in the AP was 34 peak tapering to 27 (dyno reads 2psi high) Target AFR: 12:1 Fuel: old e85, tested day of tune at 80% Engine/Power Modifications: Built but tired motor, Manley pistons & rods, 08 crank. EFR7163 0.85 a/r, Prosport UL header, Moore Custom uppipe and downpipe. EWG 44 tial. Kelford 264/260 Duration, 10.70mm/10.20mm Lift. Stock heads. Spearco Top mount, ID2000s Aeromotive a1000 Fuel Pressure Reg Radium surge tank with a walbro 450 fuel pump all -6an fuel lines tgv deletes Driveline Modifications: CF driveshaft, cusco diff, stock gearing. Suspension Modifications: 2 way MCSs DYNO: As it heats up it spools a bit quicker Green is a built motor stock turbo meth injection 2011 STi Engine Bay: Old setup in pic below. **** If anyone is interested, I have partnered up with Moore to develop a low cost, in comparison to others, KIT. Please PM me to be added to the waiting list. *** |
06-28-2014, 04:25 PM | #2895 |
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Hey guys,
Sorry to be 'that guy', but I've gone through every page of this thread (as well as a few others) and I'm still having trouble settling on the BorgWarner turbo that is actually going to get me where I want it. I'm shooting for 400-450hp at the wheels on pump 91. Initially I was thinking I'd do the BW S200SX-56mm since the numbers that people were reporting it should be capable of were perfectly in line with this goal. However, looking through this thread I'm not really seeing any dyno results that substantiate those claims. Unfortunately, it seems like the 300 series way overshoots those numbers. Sure, I'd like 500whp, but it seems like at that point I'm going to start breaking parts that I'd rather not break. Here's the mod list: 2004 STi 2008 EJ257 block (stock bore) 2008 STi crank ACL main/rod bearings ARP rod bolts CP pistons Manley rods Cometic headgaskets ARP headstuds Crower valves/springs/retainers Heads P&P'd Blitz turboback Grimmspeed P&P'd exhaust manifold Morrocco's BW rotated kit ID1k's with Boomba fuel rails Walbro 255lph fuel pump Aeromotive fuel regulator I think that's everything that matters at all. It'll be dyno-tuned on Cobb with speed density. Any additional input (firsthand experience would be wonderful) would be very much appreciated. I'd like to purchase the turbo and kit this week so that I can get rolling on it before the race season is over. Ideally I'd like to stay away from methanol, though if that's a necessary evil for this goal, I guess it is what it is. Cheers, -Steve |
06-30-2014, 12:14 PM | #2896 |
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91 octane is very poor quality fuel. In order to acheive 400-450 on your setup i think it will require a turbo larger than standard S200. For Airwerks turbos, the S200 FMW is a great value, and same compressor as EFR. The S300 is also a good choice, but works best as a twinscroll. your mod list sounds like it is a singlescroll turbo, so the EFR7163 would be a great choice (for 400) and the T3- EFR7670 for the 450 side of things. it would depend on your kit setup
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07-13-2014, 02:38 PM | #2897 |
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Update: Borg Warner s360. 28lbs boost. e85 tuned. 11.4@131mph.
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07-13-2014, 03:48 PM | #2898 |
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131 traps and only an 11.4? What was your 60'???
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07-29-2014, 01:33 PM | #2899 |
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After having the car tuned at the end of April, we're finally getting around to posting some results of our low mount BW s300 on a 2.0 liter. We had some issue with the tial 38's sticking on the dyno during race gas tuning (I also ran no water to them), so we didn't run the car any higher than 35psi, but we were pleased with the performance even at that boost pressure on a smaller displacement engine. We plan to retune in the fall with Turbosmart 40's, and a straight thru exhaust to see what it's really capable of. Right now the car is relatively quiet and very enjoyable to drive on either fuel (pump 93 or 110), and the power delivery is strong with excellent top end.
Event: dyno pull Location: Toledo Oh Ambient Temp: 54 F Elevation: 614 ft Weather: overcast Dyno: Mustang Dyne MD-AWD-1100-SE Wheel HP: 501 Wheel TQ: 437 Car: 2002 WRX sedan Tuner: Keith Franklin from Pure Tuning Transmission: 05 Sti 6spd (dyno pull in 4th gear) Target Boost: 34psi Target AFR: 11.4 Fuel: Sunoco 110 leaded Engine/Power Modifications: Shortblock parts list: - Moore Performance Stage 4 shortblock - 2.0 liter - 94 2.2 closed deck - converted to #5 thrust - Darton custom 2.0 liter sleeve - King XPG bearing - Subaru crank - dual drilled, 75mm stroke - Wossner forged rods - Wossner forged 2.2 piston - piston tops coated - Cosworth head gaskets - ARP 625 case bolts - ARP 625 head stud - oil squirters - external oil cooler - 11mm sti oil pump - Fluidampr crank pulley Cylinder heads: - Moore Performance Stage 3 head service (ej205 heads) - 315cfm at .450 lift - Ferrea 1mm over exhaust valve - Ferrea 1mm over intake valve - Supertech Bronze valve guides - Supertech valve springs, retainers, locks - Moore Performance Custom cam - 264 duration Intake, Fuel and Misc: - 62mm ProFlow Design TB - in tank DW300 pump - Radium 3 pump surge tank - Walbro 416lph E85 fuel pump - Moore Performance fuel rails - -8 feed/ -6 return fuel lines - Turbosmart 2000 FPR - ID 1300 injectors Turbo Kit: - Moore Performance twin scroll header setup for low mount turbo - BW S300SX turbo (T4 divided, .91 A/R) - approx 65 lb/min - 3.5" downpipe and catback - Bell Intercoolers core - Moore Performance custom endtanks and assembly - Tial 50mm bov Engine Management and sensors: - Cobb AP V3 - AEM IAT sensor - AEM 5.2 bar map sensor Driveline Modifications: Exedy Twin Plate clutch kit, bushings, etc Suspension Modifications: ZZYZX pro coilovers, noltec camber plates, whiteline sway bars, many bushings, etc, etc, etc ***front fascia of vehicle not yet complete*** |
07-29-2014, 08:23 PM | #2900 |
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Fantastic job guys!
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