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Old 08-26-2024, 02:24 PM   #76
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I was thinking the same thing, but, to be fair, you might want to double check with your source(s) at Subaru to make sure YOU'RE not behind on Subaru's marketing strategy. It wouldn't surprise me if their contact for Subaru told them to call it something other than a CVT. And would it really surprise you, after the debut of the "SPT" in the VB WRX GT? Marketing is key and Subaru REALLY wants to separate their CVT from others.
Xtronic is the name of the Nissan CVT. So, probably just a mistake by the Geese boys.

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Old 08-26-2024, 03:16 PM   #77
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Thanks for enlightening me. I wish I didn't dislike Nissan so much. Wouldn't have such a blind spot about their... CVT.

I'm still waiting for Subaru to rebrand their CVT. Since "Xtronic" is taken, we should help them come up with something. "SST" = Subaru Standard Transmission. They're gonna change the whole game by sweeping "standard" under the rug to longer mean "manual transmission". LET'S GGGOOOOOO!!!
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Old 08-26-2024, 04:12 PM   #78
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I was thinking the same thing, but, to be fair, you might want to double check with your source(s) at Subaru to make sure YOU'RE not behind on Subaru's marketing strategy. It wouldn't surprise me if their contact for Subaru told them to call it something other than a CVT. And would it really surprise you, after the debut of the "SPT" in the VB WRX GT? Marketing is key and Subaru REALLY wants to separate their CVT from others.
Lineartronic........
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Old 08-27-2024, 12:57 AM   #79
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Lineartronic........
Ewww. How is that different from "4EAT Automatic Transmission"? I always thought "Lineartronic" was a type of CVT. Whereas "SPT" is marketing material for a high torque CVT, or, I'd think," high torque Lineartronic CVT"?

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Ewww. How is that different from "4EAT Automatic Transmission"? I always thought "Lineartronic" was a type of CVT. Whereas "SPT" is marketing material for a high torque CVT, or, I'd think," high torque Lineartronic CVT"?
Lineartronic is the brand name of Subaru's CVT. Currently used w/ Active AWD.

Not to be confused with the SPT, which is the High Torque CVT w/ VTD center differential.

4EAT was not a CVT.

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Lineartronic is the brand name of Subaru's CVT. Currently used w/ Active AWD.



Not to be confused with the SPT, which is the High Torque CVT w/ VTD center differential.



4EAT was not a CVT.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._transmissions
I meant to end my last post with,"cue Snow Drift"

I know 4EAT wasn't a CVT. That wasn't my point. The 4EAT was a type of automatic transmission, correct? I was thinking that there isn't just one type of CVT, and that Subaru used a type of CVT deemed a " Lineartronic"CVT.

Then I was expanding on potential marketing terms. But you're saying Lineartronic IS the marketing term, and not a type of CVT. Goteet.
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The forester is in a VERY competitive segment. Compact CUV for 40k. I can promise you I would be looking at RAV4's, Highlanders, Passports, Mazda CX-anything, etc before I picked a Subaru at this point. Or for 40k, you could get a grand cherokee laredo easily for 40k dollars with a darn near bullet proof Pentastar (Low tech, but proven) and class leading AWD/4WD. Jeep is putting dumptrucks full of money on the Grand Cherokees and Rams as dealers have an huge inventory problem right now. I got 14k dollars off my new Overland Grand Cherokee L, and the prices are still getting better
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Name ANYTHING that gives you EVERYTHING this does(any trim) with AWD that is cheaper. I'll wait.


And if you're not going to go drive one, then just shut up about anything about it.
Grand Cherokee will devour the Forester in features, power, and capability. Plus they are discounting them over 10k dollars here in Houston.
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MSRP is always the standard. Discounts are way too subjective.
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Grand Cherokee will devour the Forester in features, power, and capability. Plus they are discounting them over 10k dollars here in Houston.
And it's based on the Alfa Romeo Giorgio platform. If I needed a 7 seater I'd get one.
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I’m driving the current gen as a rental. Fantastic car, untouchable for the price. No wonder they sell like hot cakes. They nailed it.
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And it's based on the Alfa Romeo Giorgio platform. If I needed a 7 seater I'd get one.
They come in a 5 seater too

Just saying. Only the Grand Cherokee L is a 6 or 7 seater.
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MSRP is always the standard. Discounts are way too subjective.
I cannot disagree, however, if you are in the market, the prices are what they are the day you buy. If you can get 2x the vehicle for the same money... well that is just good on you.
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They come in a 5 seater too

Just saying. Only the Grand Cherokee L is a 6 or 7 seater.
Yes, but I'd get a Stelvio for a 5 seater.
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The forester is in a VERY competitive segment. Compact CUV for 40k. I can promise you I would be looking at RAV4's, Highlanders, Passports, Mazda CX-anything, etc before I picked a Subaru at this point. Or for 40k, you could get a grand cherokee laredo easily for 40k dollars with a darn near bullet proof Pentastar (Low tech, but proven) and class leading AWD/4WD. Jeep is putting dumptrucks full of money on the Grand Cherokees and Rams as dealers have an huge inventory problem right now. I got 14k dollars off my new Overland Grand Cherokee L, and the prices are still getting better
The Highlander and Grand Cherokee are both quite a bit larger than the Forester, which may be a deterrent to some. Both are 10+ inches longer and 4-5 inches wider. I'm sure some folks cross-shop them but I wouldn't call them direct competitors. The Rav4, CX-5, CRV, etc. are direct competitors.

As usual with Subaru, the best bang for your buck tends to be the lower to mid trims which will cost you around the low $30s.
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The only reason I would consider the Jeep is for the Hybrid + good towing. But when I did look at them, it was against other models in the $40-50k price bracket with decent towing not the Forester.
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yeah, that is fair ^^^

But the Jeep has the ability to tow 6200 lbs, which is not insignificantly more than the average for the segment which is 5000 lbs, which is just about ever SUV and Ridgeline.

When the boat weighs in at 4000 lbs with gear and fuel, the extra 1200 lbs is what I consider extra capacity (read as safety) to ensuring I can go down the road easily.

IF you want more than 5000 lbs, you are looking at a Grand Cherokee or a pathfinder in the mid size class and that is it. You could get an Armada or a Sequoia but they are in the 80k dollar range so that was not going to happen.

Once you have to tow and you want something smaller than a full sized pickup to drive around 95% of the time, your choices get really small.
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yeah, that is fair ^^^

But the Jeep has the ability to tow 6200 lbs, which is not insignificantly more than the average for the segment which is 5000 lbs, which is just about ever SUV and Ridgeline.

When the boat weighs in at 4000 lbs with gear and fuel, the extra 1200 lbs is what I consider extra capacity (read as safety) to ensuring I can go down the road easily.

IF you want more than 5000 lbs, you are looking at a Grand Cherokee or a pathfinder in the mid size class and that is it. You could get an Armada or a Sequoia but they are in the 80k dollar range so that was not going to happen.

Once you have to tow and you want something smaller than a full sized pickup to drive around 95% of the time, your choices get really small.
I'd def take the GC over the Pathfinder.
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I cannot disagree, however, if you are in the market, the prices are what they are the day you buy. If you can get 2x the vehicle for the same money... well that is just good on you.



I know this doesn't matter near as much to you since you go through cars soo much; but, what about resale? You can get twice the car now at the same money; but, then I get twice back when I get rid of it than you(generalization. not "you" specifically) do. Eh?


All the little arguments following your response still brings it back to my statement. EVERYTHING it offers at THE price it is offered. There is simply no better "everything" value than a Subaru. That has NOTHING to do with if you want more luxury/mpg(sacrifice AWD)/space/comfort/4WD/towing/etc, then you will find something better in one or maybe a few of those......not EVERYTHING.
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But mine was offered at a price that was 14k less than MSRP. But lets take that off the table. A Laredo 4x4 is more capable and has more room and is priced at 40k MSRP. It will out perform the Subaru in every metric that matters, from tech, to capability, interior quality, to ride comfort. Now the 40k Subie will have leatherette and the Jeep cloth, admittedly, but that may not reach high in the metrics with many people.

also with resale, I have never in my entire life of flipping cars EVER been upside down on a trade. EVER. Even when I traded in a car in as little as 17 months from purchase, the car was still worth more than Owed. 4x4's in Texas are in ultra high demand and they always will be. These discounts are transient as a new model will probably come out soon or the dealer overstock issue will be fixed and these discounts will vanish.

Either way, I will be fine at resale I promise you. I still had darn near 9k in equity in my RAM. The only good thing about new car prices going ever higher is that used car prices are following suit.

Take all that for what you will.
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...also with resale, I have never in my entire life of flipping cars EVER been upside down on a trade.
Feel free to make an offer on my Model Y.
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There is simply no better "everything" value than a Subaru. That has NOTHING to do with if you want more luxury/mpg(sacrifice AWD)/space/comfort/4WD/towing/etc, then you will find something better in one or maybe a few of those......not EVERYTHING.
Honda CRV sport hybrid. Picked a brand new one up for the wife in June for 38.4. Including 7 year bumper to bumper warranty. Right at 12,xxx miles now and average 32ish mpg. An amazing vehicle.

Subaru was never on the radar. Their drivetrains can’t compete.

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The new CRV's have grown enough to be an everything vehicle for a LOT of families. The are pretty attractive too
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Honda CRV sport hybrid. Picked a brand new one up for the wife in June for 38.4. Including 7 year bumper to bumper warranty. Right at 12,xxx miles now and average 32ish mpg. An amazing vehicle.

Subaru was never on the radar. Their drivetrains can’t compete.

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You are about to get told on what you missed out on with the forester and how its better at something trivial, like color matching the stitches on the seat belt or something.
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