|
![]() |
|
|
![]() |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
![]() |
#101 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: www.testdrivemylife.com
Vehicle:2024 JP GCL Overland Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000 |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#102 | |||
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:2005 Baja Turbo 95&96 Sambar 06 Forester |
![]() Quote:
That's not what I said, was it? You may pay cash for every vehicle you buy. How much do you get from the car you trade in? And again, it doesn't matter to you as much since you go through them like used underwear ![]() Quote:
I've seen/touched the Forester Hybrid and know it's specs. The end deal will be how much they charge for it. Quote:
![]() I sure hope you were referring to someone else. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#103 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: www.testdrivemylife.com
Vehicle:2024 JP GCL Overland Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000 |
![]() Quote:
Resale does matter. Even to me. I have never been upside down. And I have never paid cash for a new car. My GC will hold its value just fine. How do I know. when I traded in my other Grand Cherokee I was shocked at how well my trade was. I am not saying I am the Gandalf of car deals, but I know how dealers work and I am hip to their tricks. I also watch inventories and know when slumps are happening. I develop relationships with certain dealers and they take good care of me with incentives I wager some people do not get. Resale while important is also the single most beige reason to buy a car. However, a few million toyota Camry's proves it is a valuable metric to a great many people. The problem with Subaru is that they have become a vanilla car company. They are chasing the toyota model of the 90's by making safe boring cars that are reliable. It led Toyota to dominance and it will greatly increase Subarus sales for many years to come. Most people do not buy based on passion like an enthusiast does. They buy based on making their lives easier at the lowest possible cost. Subarus lineup checks that boxes with adequately powered cars with good visibility. I still like the Outback, but I have outgrown it. It cannot do what I need from a car. The need for milquetoast cars that are 4 season capable at a reasonable price is a good business model. It is just not inspring. But has worked for decades for Toyota and Honda and even Chevy and Nissan. While no way a Jeep Grand Cherokee can compete with a Subaru or any Japanese car in terms of reliability, it will be good enough for the 40k miles or so I will keep it. I will go further to say Reliability is also over rated. All new cars are mostly reliable for the first 50k miles. I would rather have more capability and personality now even at the risk of a mechanical issue (that will be covered under warranty). I even looked at a Range Rover for a short time before options put it out of my price range (that happened scarily fast actually). I mean I had two Jeeps without any issues, so why not tempt fate ![]() ![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#104 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:'25 ///M2 LCI ‘20 Ascent,'15 XTerra P4X |
![]() You mentioned Subaru Reliability a LOT up there ^^
I've gotta challenge you on that one. The sheer number of open recalls and TSBs on Subarus flagship are mind-boggling. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#105 | ||
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:2005 Baja Turbo 95&96 Sambar 06 Forester |
![]() Quote:
No real arguments here knowing how you purchase cars. My only thing about this post is you saying Subaru has become vanilla and chasing Toyota of the 90s. Surely you remember Subaru of the 90s, eh? And before the 90s? They threw a few turbos out in the 2000s; but, their NA offerings weren't any "different" than before the turbos. People surged on the turbos for a while, then went away. What do you expect a company to do? I miss them as well Quote:
How about a list. Then go find two other companies you think are doing better and provide a list of their recalls/TSBs. Subaru, at least, tries to catch and mitigate them early. Just before hitting submit for this, I just did a quick google search and seems Toyota has as many recalls as Subaru. So, there's that. ![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#106 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 75071
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: Long Island
Vehicle:23 Solterra,ModelY Old: 05 08 11 WRX, 18 STI |
![]() I just got to drive a 2024 Forester Limited as a loaner while my Solterra had a TSB repair for the forward camera (thanks Toyota). Dear lord, that might be the worst driving car I have ever used. The throttle was so sensitive, manually shifting was slow and the engine seemed not happy to do it, at times if felt like it would kick down abruptly if I slowed to a light and then had to go again without a full stop, the brakes were really bad (I wondered if it would stop at times; but I don't recall the mileage on the car), and the overall composure on curves was really bad.
I got the Solterra back and it was like a luxury car in comparison. I really hope the 2025 is completely different to drive. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#107 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:'25 ///M2 LCI ‘20 Ascent,'15 XTerra P4X |
![]() Quote:
Stop with the blanket statements. Do you know how many cars Toyota has on the roads vs Subaru? Your blind shilling is tiresome and predictable. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#108 | |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 520469
Join Date: Nov 2020
|
![]() Quote:
Want a loaded one? Gonna cost ya over 40 grand and it doesn’t even have 200 horsepower. It desperately needs the turbo 2.4. In certain situations, the car is downright dangerous with how slow it is and how unresponsive the gas pedal is at times. Sometimes it’s sensitive, sometimes it does nothing. It’s wildly inconsistent. Overall joke of a vehicle for the money. The fake plastic fender vents like the WRX are pretty comical. To me it feels like a half assed car. Only people who know nothing about cars will buy these, because AWD and because Subaru is a cult. Anyone who is frugal with their money will buy a comparably priced Ascent or Outback, if they absolutely must have a Subaru crossover. Subaru has been phoning it in post-pandemic and it clearly shows in each “new” car that they release. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#109 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 419593
Join Date: Apr 2015
|
![]() I am sure this new one will continue to dominate this segment. They are fantastic cars to drive and offer incredible value. No wonder they sell so well. Kudos to Subaru for another phenomenal car. Second to none AWD system, enthusiast boxer engine, untouchable resale value and dealer experience. No wonder they destroy brands like Mazda and VW. Love it!
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#110 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:2005 Baja Turbo 95&96 Sambar 06 Forester |
![]() Quote:
And what does the number of cars one sells over the other have to do with how many recalls? If I were talking about how many affected vehicles in a certain recall, then you've got me. And if that IS the case, then oh boy. Pretty sure my fast count had more affected Toyotas than Subaru sells cars per year. But, yeah, I agree, that don't count. And, yes, my statement about catching them early was a general overall statement where you were talking about Ascent. There is no blind shilling. I know the issues and criticize them as well. I just debate those that make blanket statements basically saying "All Subarus are bad because of my bad experience" which every manufacturer has. And everyone here knows I like Subaru and most know I work at a retailer, so "shill" is actually an inaccurate term. So, find a different insult to use. And I'm going to refrain from responding to that ridiculous post two above this one. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#111 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 450808
Join Date: Jul 2016
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: Anaheim
Vehicle:2017 WRX Premium 2024 Forester Touring |
![]() Quote:
I'm not sure what gas pedal issue you are talking about as I haven't experienced any of that in my Forester. It behaves just like any other CVT I've driven, which is to say a little bouncy with the fake simulated shifts and certainly an adjustment if you're used to driving a manual transmission where everything feels connected and precise, but it behaves how one expects a CVT would. I don't have any issues flooring it from a red light at a freeway onramp and getting up to speed. Folks have complained about sluggishness with the auto start/stop but I always turn that off in my car, as I do whenever I drive any car that has that feature. I loath it with a passion and I have yet to drive a car that executes it well; I'm sure maybe some luxury cars do, which I haven't driven yet. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#112 | |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 520469
Join Date: Nov 2020
|
![]() Quote:
Since you’re so obsessed with sales numbers though, let’s take a look at last year: CRV: approx. 361,000 RAV4: approx. 435,000 Mazda CX5: approx. 153,000 Forester: approx. 152,000 Tiguan: approx. 38,000 Keep in mind the Tiguan is produced/offered for sale at lower numbers than all of the above cars, hence the lower sales figures. You also must be pretty high if you think the Forester engine is anything remotely close to enthusiast levels. Nice try though! |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#113 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 67960
Join Date: Aug 2004
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#114 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 419593
Join Date: Apr 2015
|
![]() Quote:
![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#115 | |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 520469
Join Date: Nov 2020
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#116 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: www.testdrivemylife.com
Vehicle:2024 JP GCL Overland Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000 |
![]() Quote:
Subaru is not a terrible car company. They are decent at making bland milquetoast cars with marginally adequate performance. They do the job of getting people from A to B with 8.7" of ground clearance. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#117 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region:
SWIC
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Vehicle:2017 Impreza Sport Lithium Red - OLDKID |
![]() 8.7" is all anyone needs!
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#118 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 67807
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
|
![]() Don’t forget about dat approach angle.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#119 | |
*** Banned ***
Member#: 539188
Join Date: Sep 2024
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#120 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 447323
Join Date: May 2016
|
![]() There is a new article showing a test mule of the new hybrid forester in testing. Not sure if the hybrid will based off the existing touring trim, but that is trim they used for the mule
Some sites are claiming 34mpg in the city and 43mpg hwy while keeping the same 16.6 gallon gas tank due the configuration of the new hybrid system Last edited by bugatti0628; 10-17-2024 at 12:02 PM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#121 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 447323
Join Date: May 2016
|
![]() https://creative311.com/?p=162086
The fuel efficiency numbers are good but I assume the 2.5l for the USDM won't be tuned to the 158hp they are getting. The USDM 2.5 puts out 182hp and 180hp respectively. I hope the electric motors are in addition to the current hp figures |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#122 | |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 166202
Join Date: Dec 2007
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#123 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 29826
Join Date: Nov 2002
Chapter/Region:
AKIC
Vehicle:2020 Legacy XT Touri Crystal White Pearl |
![]() There are some more details on the 2.5 hybrid.
"It makes 158 horsepower on its own and pairs with an 88-kilowatt electric motor, which is a lot more powerful than the former 143 hp and 10-kW combo. Battery size is also increased from .6 kilowatt-hours to 1 kWh. Combined output hasn’t been specified yet, but Subaru says it slashes the old hybrid’s zero to 60 time by 2.1 seconds. " https://www.thedrive.com/news/subaru...k-and-forester Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#124 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 149337
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Portugal
Vehicle:2016 MX-5 Soul Red |
![]() Just dicth these lousy engines. The hybrid Golf is getting total 204hp with a 1.4T. They should (sadly) move to inline engines or invest their engines to be efficient.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#125 | |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 447323
Join Date: May 2016
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|