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Old 08-29-2024, 03:00 PM   #101
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Old 08-29-2024, 05:07 PM   #102
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...also with resale, I have never in my entire life of flipping cars EVER been upside down on a trade. EVER. Even when I traded in a car in as little as 17 months from purchase, the car was still worth more than Owed. 4x4's in Texas are in ultra high demand and they always will be. These discounts are transient as a new model will probably come out soon or the dealer overstock issue will be fixed and these discounts will vanish.

Either way, I will be fine at resale I promise you. I still had darn near 9k in equity in my RAM. The only good thing about new car prices going ever higher is that used car prices are following suit.

Take all that for what you will.

That's not what I said, was it? You may pay cash for every vehicle you buy. How much do you get from the car you trade in? And again, it doesn't matter to you as much since you go through them like used underwear. But resale DOES matter to folks just as leather over cloth. But, a Subaru is going to have a good bit less depreciation than the Jeep. And many other comparable models.

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Honda CRV sport hybrid. Picked a brand new one up for the wife in June for 38.4. Including 7 year bumper to bumper warranty. Right at 12,xxx miles now and average 32ish mpg. An amazing vehicle.

Subaru was never on the radar. Their drivetrains can’t compete.

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Well, the Forester Hybrid isn't available yet; so, if that's what you're going for, then more power to you. But, let's get back to "everything". What happens to your drivetrain that Subaru "can't compete" with when the battery depletes? Are you still AWD? I haven't paid attention to the latest Honda Hybrids. I should. A friend of mine got one. She really likes it. This goes back to......you found an option better in one or a few metrics.....not ALL of them.

I've seen/touched the Forester Hybrid and know it's specs. The end deal will be how much they charge for it.

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I sure hope you were referring to someone else.
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Old 08-30-2024, 11:09 AM   #103
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That's not what I said, was it? You may pay cash for every vehicle you buy. How much do you get from the car you trade in? And again, it doesn't matter to you as much since you go through them like used underwear. But resale DOES matter to folks just as leather over cloth. But, a Subaru is going to have a good bit less depreciation than the Jeep. And many other comparable models.



Well, the Forester Hybrid isn't available yet; so, if that's what you're going for, then more power to you. But, let's get back to "everything". What happens to your drivetrain that Subaru "can't compete" with when the battery depletes? Are you still AWD? I haven't paid attention to the latest Honda Hybrids. I should. A friend of mine got one. She really likes it. This goes back to......you found an option better in one or a few metrics.....not ALL of them.

I've seen/touched the Forester Hybrid and know it's specs. The end deal will be how much they charge for it.





I sure hope you were referring to someone else.

Resale does matter. Even to me. I have never been upside down. And I have never paid cash for a new car. My GC will hold its value just fine. How do I know. when I traded in my other Grand Cherokee I was shocked at how well my trade was. I am not saying I am the Gandalf of car deals, but I know how dealers work and I am hip to their tricks. I also watch inventories and know when slumps are happening. I develop relationships with certain dealers and they take good care of me with incentives I wager some people do not get.

Resale while important is also the single most beige reason to buy a car. However, a few million toyota Camry's proves it is a valuable metric to a great many people.

The problem with Subaru is that they have become a vanilla car company. They are chasing the toyota model of the 90's by making safe boring cars that are reliable. It led Toyota to dominance and it will greatly increase Subarus sales for many years to come. Most people do not buy based on passion like an enthusiast does. They buy based on making their lives easier at the lowest possible cost. Subarus lineup checks that boxes with adequately powered cars with good visibility.

I still like the Outback, but I have outgrown it. It cannot do what I need from a car. The need for milquetoast cars that are 4 season capable at a reasonable price is a good business model. It is just not inspring. But has worked for decades for Toyota and Honda and even Chevy and Nissan.

While no way a Jeep Grand Cherokee can compete with a Subaru or any Japanese car in terms of reliability, it will be good enough for the 40k miles or so I will keep it. I will go further to say Reliability is also over rated. All new cars are mostly reliable for the first 50k miles. I would rather have more capability and personality now even at the risk of a mechanical issue (that will be covered under warranty).

I even looked at a Range Rover for a short time before options put it out of my price range (that happened scarily fast actually). I mean I had two Jeeps without any issues, so why not tempt fate
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Old 08-31-2024, 09:27 AM   #104
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You mentioned Subaru Reliability a LOT up there ^^

I've gotta challenge you on that one. The sheer number of open recalls and TSBs on Subarus flagship are mind-boggling.
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Old 08-31-2024, 10:08 AM   #105
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Resale does matter. Even to me. I have never been upside down. And I have never paid cash for a new car. My GC will hold its value just fine. How do I know. when I traded in my other Grand Cherokee I was shocked at how well my trade was. I am not saying I am the Gandalf of car deals, but I know how dealers work and I am hip to their tricks. I also watch inventories and know when slumps are happening. I develop relationships with certain dealers and they take good care of me with incentives I wager some people do not get.

Resale while important is also the single most beige reason to buy a car. However, a few million toyota Camry's proves it is a valuable metric to a great many people.

The problem with Subaru is that they have become a vanilla car company. They are chasing the toyota model of the 90's by making safe boring cars that are reliable. It led Toyota to dominance and it will greatly increase Subarus sales for many years to come. Most people do not buy based on passion like an enthusiast does. They buy based on making their lives easier at the lowest possible cost. Subarus lineup checks that boxes with adequately powered cars with good visibility.

I still like the Outback, but I have outgrown it. It cannot do what I need from a car. The need for milquetoast cars that are 4 season capable at a reasonable price is a good business model. It is just not inspring. But has worked for decades for Toyota and Honda and even Chevy and Nissan.

While no way a Jeep Grand Cherokee can compete with a Subaru or any Japanese car in terms of reliability, it will be good enough for the 40k miles or so I will keep it. I will go further to say Reliability is also over rated. All new cars are mostly reliable for the first 50k miles. I would rather have more capability and personality now even at the risk of a mechanical issue (that will be covered under warranty).

I even looked at a Range Rover for a short time before options put it out of my price range (that happened scarily fast actually). I mean I had two Jeeps without any issues, so why not tempt fate

No real arguments here knowing how you purchase cars. My only thing about this post is you saying Subaru has become vanilla and chasing Toyota of the 90s. Surely you remember Subaru of the 90s, eh? And before the 90s? They threw a few turbos out in the 2000s; but, their NA offerings weren't any "different" than before the turbos. People surged on the turbos for a while, then went away. What do you expect a company to do? I miss them as well


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You mentioned Subaru Reliability a LOT up there ^^

I've gotta challenge you on that one. The sheer number of open recalls and TSBs on Subarus flagship are mind-boggling.



How about a list. Then go find two other companies you think are doing better and provide a list of their recalls/TSBs. Subaru, at least, tries to catch and mitigate them early.





Just before hitting submit for this, I just did a quick google search and seems Toyota has as many recalls as Subaru. So, there's that.
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I just got to drive a 2024 Forester Limited as a loaner while my Solterra had a TSB repair for the forward camera (thanks Toyota). Dear lord, that might be the worst driving car I have ever used. The throttle was so sensitive, manually shifting was slow and the engine seemed not happy to do it, at times if felt like it would kick down abruptly if I slowed to a light and then had to go again without a full stop, the brakes were really bad (I wondered if it would stop at times; but I don't recall the mileage on the car), and the overall composure on curves was really bad.

I got the Solterra back and it was like a luxury car in comparison.

I really hope the 2025 is completely different to drive.
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Old 08-31-2024, 06:23 PM   #107
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... Subaru, at least, tries to catch and mitigate them early.





Just before hitting submit for this, I just did a quick google search and seems Toyota has as many recalls as Subaru. So, there's that.
You’re so full of ****. Early my ass. 5 years later is Subaru FINALLY doing something about the piss-poor Ascent brakes that started in the 2019 models and still continue today. My guess is the fix will not end up actually fixing the problem. I waited 3 freakin years to have something done about my ‘14 FXT. The list goes on and on.

Stop with the blanket statements. Do you know how many cars Toyota has on the roads vs Subaru? Your blind shilling is tiresome and predictable.
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I just got to drive a 2024 Forester Limited as a loaner while my Solterra had a TSB repair for the forward camera (thanks Toyota). Dear lord, that might be the worst driving car I have ever used. The throttle was so sensitive, manually shifting was slow and the engine seemed not happy to do it, at times if felt like it would kick down abruptly if I slowed to a light and then had to go again without a full stop, the brakes were really bad (I wondered if it would stop at times; but I don't recall the mileage on the car), and the overall composure on curves was really bad.

I got the Solterra back and it was like a luxury car in comparison.

I really hope the 2025 is completely different to drive.
It drives pretty much the same as the 2024. Actually a bit harsher if it has the 19” wheels. Ignore all these YouTubers glamming it up like it’s some holy grail vehicle with AWD. It’s the same Forester they’ve been making since they switched to the Global Platform, but with more adhesive and bigger wheels and a slightly nicer interior (now with more screens!)

Want a loaded one? Gonna cost ya over 40 grand and it doesn’t even have 200 horsepower. It desperately needs the turbo 2.4. In certain situations, the car is downright dangerous with how slow it is and how unresponsive the gas pedal is at times. Sometimes it’s sensitive, sometimes it does nothing. It’s wildly inconsistent.

Overall joke of a vehicle for the money. The fake plastic fender vents like the WRX are pretty comical. To me it feels like a half assed car. Only people who know nothing about cars will buy these, because AWD and because Subaru is a cult. Anyone who is frugal with their money will buy a comparably priced Ascent or Outback, if they absolutely must have a Subaru crossover.

Subaru has been phoning it in post-pandemic and it clearly shows in each “new” car that they release.
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Old 08-31-2024, 07:18 PM   #109
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I am sure this new one will continue to dominate this segment. They are fantastic cars to drive and offer incredible value. No wonder they sell so well. Kudos to Subaru for another phenomenal car. Second to none AWD system, enthusiast boxer engine, untouchable resale value and dealer experience. No wonder they destroy brands like Mazda and VW. Love it!
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You're so full of ****. Early my ass. 5 years later is Subaru FINALLY doing something about the piss-poor Ascent brakes that started in the 2019 models and still continue today. My guess is the fix will not end up actually fixing the problem. I waited 3 freakin years to have something done about my ***8216;14 FXT. The list goes on and on.

Stop with the blanket statements. Do you know how many cars Toyota has on the roads vs Subaru? Your blind shilling is tiresome and predictable.
And that is exactly what you're doing. Essentially saying all Ascents(and FXTs back when you had it) are crap cars that will break down on you. There are far more of either of them out there without issues than there are with issues.

And what does the number of cars one sells over the other have to do with how many recalls? If I were talking about how many affected vehicles in a certain recall, then you've got me. And if that IS the case, then oh boy. Pretty sure my fast count had more affected Toyotas than Subaru sells cars per year. But, yeah, I agree, that don't count.

And, yes, my statement about catching them early was a general overall statement where you were talking about Ascent.

There is no blind shilling. I know the issues and criticize them as well. I just debate those that make blanket statements basically saying "All Subarus are bad because of my bad experience" which every manufacturer has.

And everyone here knows I like Subaru and most know I work at a retailer, so "shill" is actually an inaccurate term. So, find a different insult to use.

And I'm going to refrain from responding to that ridiculous post two above this one.
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Old 08-31-2024, 08:24 PM   #111
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Want a loaded one? Gonna cost ya over 40 grand and it doesn't even have 200 horsepower. It desperately needs the turbo 2.4. In certain situations, the car is downright dangerous with how slow it is and how unresponsive the gas pedal is at times. Sometimes it's sensitive, sometimes it does nothing. It's wildly inconsistent.
The power output is on par with most of its competitors. CRV, CX-5, Rav4, Tucson, etc. are all between 180HP - 204HP in their non-hybrid trims. It would be certainly be nice if the Forester had a more powerful motor option (which is probably coming with the hybrid version soon), but it's not significantly slower than any of its rivals in the segment and certainly not what I would call slow enough to the point of being dangerous. There is almost no modern car that I would give that label to.

I'm not sure what gas pedal issue you are talking about as I haven't experienced any of that in my Forester. It behaves just like any other CVT I've driven, which is to say a little bouncy with the fake simulated shifts and certainly an adjustment if you're used to driving a manual transmission where everything feels connected and precise, but it behaves how one expects a CVT would. I don't have any issues flooring it from a red light at a freeway onramp and getting up to speed.

Folks have complained about sluggishness with the auto start/stop but I always turn that off in my car, as I do whenever I drive any car that has that feature. I loath it with a passion and I have yet to drive a car that executes it well; I'm sure maybe some luxury cars do, which I haven't driven yet.
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I am sure this new one will continue to dominate this segment. They are fantastic cars to drive and offer incredible value. No wonder they sell so well. Kudos to Subaru for another phenomenal car. Second to none AWD system, enthusiast boxer engine, untouchable resale value and dealer experience. No wonder they destroy brands like Mazda and VW. Love it!
Dominate the segment? That title goes to the CRV and RAV4, bud.

Since you’re so obsessed with sales numbers though, let’s take a look at last year:

CRV: approx. 361,000
RAV4: approx. 435,000
Mazda CX5: approx. 153,000
Forester: approx. 152,000
Tiguan: approx. 38,000

Keep in mind the Tiguan is produced/offered for sale at lower numbers than all of the above cars, hence the lower sales figures.

You also must be pretty high if you think the Forester engine is anything remotely close to enthusiast levels.

Nice try though!
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Dominate the segment? That title goes to the CRV and RAV4, bud.

Since you’re so obsessed with sales numbers though, let’s take a look at last year:

CRV: approx. 361,000
RAV4: approx. 435,000
Mazda CX5: approx. 153,000
Forester: approx. 152,000
Tiguan: approx. 38,000

Keep in mind the Tiguan is produced/offered for sale at lower numbers than all of the above cars, hence the lower sales figures.

You also must be pretty high if you think the Forester engine is anything remotely close to enthusiast levels.

Nice try though!
to be fair. Subaru can't produce more cars without another factory.
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to be fair. Subaru can't produce more cars without another factory.
Holy ****, Forester sales alone account for about 50 percent of VW total sales in the US . If those Tiguan sales are correct, I am shocked they haven't pulled the plug on that ****box yet. Sweet Lord VW is in deep trouble in the US. Subaru cannot keep up with the demand. Hopefully more factories are on the horizon. Forester sells like hot cakes.
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Holy ****, Forester sales alone account for about 50 percent of VW total sales in the US . If those Tiguan sales are correct, I am shocked they haven't pulled the plug on that ****box yet. Sweet Lord VW is in deep trouble in the US. Subaru cannot keep up with the demand. Hopefully more factories are on the horizon. Forester sells like hot cakes.
Tiguans truly are POS’s. Huge waste of money too, the depreciation is awful on those. My friend had one and it blew up before it hit 100k. Serviced exclusively by VW. VW corporate would NOT help him out at all; dealer wanted like 16k for a new motor. Ended up selling it for salvage and getting a Honda.
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I am sure this new one will continue to dominate this segment. They are fantastic cars to drive and offer incredible value. No wonder they sell so well. Kudos to Subaru for another phenomenal car. Second to none AWD system, enthusiast boxer engine, untouchable resale value and dealer experience. No wonder they destroy brands like Mazda and VW. Love it!
Did it hurt you when they removed your spine and sense of perspective? I mean to show up and post what is essentially a shill marketing / bootlicking response is neither helpful or even remotely believable.

Subaru is not a terrible car company. They are decent at making bland milquetoast cars with marginally adequate performance. They do the job of getting people from A to B with 8.7" of ground clearance.
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8.7" is all anyone needs!
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Don’t forget about dat approach angle.
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CAMDEN, N.J., Nov. 2, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- Subaru of America, Inc. today announced an all-new fully redesigned vehicle will make its global debut at 9:40 a.m. PT (12:40 p.m. ET) on November 16 at the 2023 Los Angeles Auto Show.

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There is a new article showing a test mule of the new hybrid forester in testing. Not sure if the hybrid will based off the existing touring trim, but that is trim they used for the mule
Some sites are claiming 34mpg in the city and 43mpg hwy while keeping the same 16.6 gallon gas tank due the configuration of the new hybrid system

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https://creative311.com/?p=162086
The fuel efficiency numbers are good but I assume the 2.5l for the USDM won't be tuned to the 158hp they are getting. The USDM 2.5 puts out 182hp and 180hp respectively. I hope the electric motors are in addition to the current hp figures
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The fuel efficiency numbers are good but I assume the 2.5l for the USDM won't be tuned to the 158hp they are getting. The USDM 2.5 puts out 182hp and 180hp respectively. I hope the electric motors are in addition to the current hp figures
It will have MG2, a 80 kW electric engine producing 270 Nm along the ICE. I drove a RAV4 AWD and it is great. You will look at 5,5L /100 km or 43 mpg.
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There are some more details on the 2.5 hybrid.

"It makes 158 horsepower on its own and pairs with an 88-kilowatt electric motor, which is a lot more powerful than the former 143 hp and 10-kW combo. Battery size is also increased from .6 kilowatt-hours to 1 kWh. Combined output hasn’t been specified yet, but Subaru says it slashes the old hybrid’s zero to 60 time by 2.1 seconds. "

https://www.thedrive.com/news/subaru...k-and-forester

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Just dicth these lousy engines. The hybrid Golf is getting total 204hp with a 1.4T. They should (sadly) move to inline engines or invest their engines to be efficient.
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There are some more details on the 2.5 hybrid.

"It makes 158 horsepower on its own and pairs with an 88-kilowatt electric motor, which is a lot more powerful than the former 143 hp and 10-kW combo. Battery size is also increased from .6 kilowatt-hours to 1 kWh. Combined output hasn’t been specified yet, but Subaru says it slashes the old hybrid’s zero to 60 time by 2.1 seconds. "

https://www.thedrive.com/news/subaru...k-and-forester

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that system is interesting. 158hp engine combined with a 118hp motor together puts 276hp together. The torque of the engine is 154ft lbs and the motor is 199ft lbs. Combined that is 353ft lbs of torque. That is quite a pairing. How they configure that system will be very intriguing. Plus you get over 620 miles of range. The next step for the subaru engineers is the same system adopted for use with the 2.4 turbo engine.
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