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Old 03-22-2013, 01:51 PM   #3576
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Nice work Mr. Dave!
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:52 PM   #3577
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Thanks everyone. I really needed it today, after the last couple weeks.



You are missing what I am saying. I am saying I typically rush the initiation of the actual lift. Once I make up my mind to lift, i typically drop down(from a bent at the waist position) and lift. Doing this I was not getting back behind the bar enough, and secondly not getting adequate upper back tightness further getting me out in front of the bar.

Today I gripped as usual except when I was ready to lift instead of making it one fast motion, I brought my knees down, squeezed my chest up, really sat back, made sure I felt tight, then lifted.

I always was slow to actually commit to the lift.
Awesome dude. I'm the same way about deadlifts in particular. Takes me forever to commit, you can tell in that last video I posted .
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:59 PM   #3578
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Awesome dude. I'm the same way about deadlifts in particular. Takes me forever to commit, you can tell in that last video I posted .
Not everyone can grip and rip. Lots of good deadlifters have long set-ups. I just don't feel comfortable walking up, grabbing the bar and going.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:04 PM   #3579
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Why is he making all the pshhhhhh pfffffffftttt sounds?

edit: Why the hell does he hyperextend so much on the first sets? That's not good
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:12 PM   #3580
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I'm not advocating grip & rip. You think I am. I like it for me, but I'm not a good deadlifter, I need every trick I can get. I'm advocating getting your mental state ready before you're down there on the bar. Don't be so silly as to discount what I'm saying by downgrading it to a change in form. I've watched you, yes, YOU, pull 550 fatigued. I've also seen you barely get 495 within a short period of time. That is all in your head. I am, and have been, attempting to assist you with being able to get that focus and reach within yourself to perform as you can. You **** yourself over mentally all the time. It's not just you though -every guy does this when they start. They feel off, the weight feels heavy, you get out of the groove, you name it. Eventually you will get to a point where you really don't care if you have your belt, or no belt, or the plates don't match, or you didn't eat enough, you just get the weight.

You're certainly strong enough. I think, were you unhindered, that right now you're good for a 515 squat, a 390 bench, and a 570 deadlift. That's "Mr. Dave on fire", not a seed of doubt in your mind, all focussed, not thinking about anything other than one or two mental cues and smashing the weight.

It's a long road to figure this stuff out. I used to be 100000 times worse than you. The right part of the right song had to be playing, the clips had to be pointing the right way, everything had to be perfect or I had a million excuses why it wouldn't go. It just takes time to wear that sharp edge down and eventually you find yourself getting PR's when you don't feel well, because you're so used to just forcing yourself to succeed.

Anyway, I digress. I know your DL form is different than mine. I just get pissed seeing you mentally struggling before the lift starts, and I think you waste a lot of energy doing that.

For the new guys here, this doesn't apply to you. You idiots need to be focussed and thinking about your form, just lifting real hard will mean your form blows.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:16 PM   #3581
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Why is he making all the pshhhhhh pfffffffftttt sounds?

edit: Why the hell does he hyperextend so much on the first sets? That's not good
Eric has developed a unique setup and execution for his lifts - almost all involve his dramatic exhalation/inhalation. Its part of his process. Furthermore, please refrain from passing judgement on what is or isn't good when you lack the fundamental understanding or knowledge of what is occurring. If you did, you wouldn't be making such an erroneous statement.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:22 PM   #3582
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You **** yourself over mentally all the time. It's not just you though -every guy does this when they start. They feel off, the weight feels heavy, you get out of the groove, you name it. Eventually you will get to a point where you really don't care if you have your belt, or no belt, or the plates don't match, or you didn't eat enough, you just get the weight.
I am very, very, very, very guilty of exactly this. Its the only way to explain why I miss 405 and then come back to pull 455 for two singles. Pretty much got to the point where I didn't give two ****s about anything but pulling the f'n bar off the floor. I know I'm stronger than what I'm pulling. Hell, I pulled 485 over a year ago and I'm stronger now than then.

Gotta get my head screwed on straight and just pull, press, or squat.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:24 PM   #3583
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Eric has developed a unique setup and execution for his lifts - almost all involve his dramatic exhalation/inhalation. Its part of his process. Furthermore, please refrain from passing judgement on what is or isn't good when you lack the fundamental understanding or knowledge of what is occurring. If you did, you wouldn't be making such an erroneous statement.
Fetus always comments on **** that has nothing to do with the actual point.

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I'm not advocating grip & rip. You think I am. I like it for me, but I'm not a good deadlifter, I need every trick I can get. I'm advocating getting your mental state ready before you're down there on the bar. Don't be so silly as to discount what I'm saying by downgrading it to a change in form. I've watched you, yes, YOU, pull 550 fatigued. I've also seen you barely get 495 within a short period of time. That is all in your head. I am, and have been, attempting to assist you with being able to get that focus and reach within yourself to perform as you can. You **** yourself over mentally all the time. It's not just you though -every guy does this when they start. They feel off, the weight feels heavy, you get out of the groove, you name it. Eventually you will get to a point where you really don't care if you have your belt, or no belt, or the plates don't match, or you didn't eat enough, you just get the weight.

You're certainly strong enough. I think, were you unhindered, that right now you're good for a 515 squat, a 390 bench, and a 570 deadlift. That's "Mr. Dave on fire", not a seed of doubt in your mind, all focussed, not thinking about anything other than one or two mental cues and smashing the weight.

It's a long road to figure this stuff out. I used to be 100000 times worse than you. The right part of the right song had to be playing, the clips had to be pointing the right way, everything had to be perfect or I had a million excuses why it wouldn't go. It just takes time to wear that sharp edge down and eventually you find yourself getting PR's when you don't feel well, because you're so used to just forcing yourself to succeed.

Anyway, I digress. I know your DL form is different than mine. I just get pissed seeing you mentally struggling before the lift starts, and I think you waste a lot of energy doing that.

For the new guys here, this doesn't apply to you. You idiots need to be focussed and thinking about your form, just lifting real hard will mean your form blows.
I understand what you are saying. But on the day I missed 535 I wasn't mentally struggling in the sense of doubt, etc. I was mentally struggling because I was running through all these form cues I never used before.

Once this meet was confirmed I started to question everything I know. Before on a DL I would go solely based off feel/muscle memory. My mind was clear(in terms of anything form related). I just pulled ****. That all changed, and it ****ed me. I was trying to adopt all these cues, at once.

Today I kind of went back to just trying to feel comfortable, and pull. Not think of a million cues.

Headgames aside, even if I step up there with 100% focus, and determination, if the bar gets away from me, I am ****ed when I am near 100%(+) max effort. There is just no getting around it.
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No doubt. You just have to swim through the mental cues part and sort out what you can manage... too many is just too many.
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No doubt. You just have to swim through the mental cues part and sort out what you can manage... too many is just too many.
Indeed. It is much nicer when you get to a point where you just FEEL it is right, and can focus on actually smashing ****.

Either way, today was a good day, and I will take it.

PS. The PR is solely attributed to my new belt.
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You son of a bitch.
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At this point in my lifting, I can only concentrate on one or two cues while I'm lifting. At least I don't panic and think, "Oh my God this is heavy!" every time. Now its only every other time. Lifting 90% and above for 4 to 6 singles (or whatever - less sets more reps) is helping me get used to handling poundages close to my max. It is a great confidence booster.

Who knows, maybe one day I'll even learn how to grind out a lift.
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Speaking of, this was an awesome "grinder". That was like a 10 second lift..haha
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Indeed. It is much nicer when you get to a point where you just FEEL it is right, and can focus on actually smashing ****.

Either way, today was a good day, and I will take it.

PS. The PR is solely attributed to my new belt.
Oh **** you got it already? That was quick .
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Oh **** you got it already? That was quick .
No, just ****ing with Chris.
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Nice PR, Mr. Dave!
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:16 PM   #3594
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Eric has developed a unique setup and execution for his lifts - almost all involve his dramatic exhalation/inhalation. Its part of his process. Furthermore, please refrain from passing judgement on what is or isn't good when you lack the fundamental understanding or knowledge of what is occurring. If you did, you wouldn't be making such an erroneous statement.
I liked that response. pshhhh psssstt



still looked a bit much on the extend
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If I breathe as severely as Eric does, I will pass out when I lock out.. It's happened
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still looked a bit much on the extend
How much did he "extend" on the 800lb pull?

When you apply the amount of force needed to move 800lb to 405lb what do you think is going to happen?

By 675 there is virtually no "hyper extension" by 740 there is none.

Let me ask you this. When you walk up to 135, do you lift it like it is 135? Or do you pull it as hard as humanly possible, the same as if it was 1,000lb?
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How much did he "extend" on the 800lb pull?

When you apply the amount of force needed to move 800lb to 405lb what do you think is going to happen?

By 675 there is virtually no "hyper extension" by 740 there is none.

Let me ask you this. When you walk up to 135, do you lift it like it is 135? Or do you pull it as hard as humanly possible, the same as if it was 1,000lb?
Exactly what I noticed. More hyper extension on the lighter pulls and none on the heaviest. I see your point that he is pulling hard the whole time

I don't pull it as hard as humanly possible on 135 as I do on a 350 pull TBO. Why? Idk I just don't
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Dropset deadlifts, I have fallen over from "pulling" the same on 315 as I did dropping to 225, was quite funny. Like picking up an empty beer can thinking its full, it goes way up.
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Nice! Congrats cronic! That must have been a huge confidence booster.

Ryan, if nothing else, it builds consistency to treat every lift the same. For me its the reason why I go through the cues the same everytime, set up the same everytime, and then execute the same everytime. It builds consistency and promotes a focused state. It also builds muscle memory. For me its taught me to be more explosive.
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Consistency is key, pretty sure I air hump a good 10 seconds before every pull
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