Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Monday August 20, 2018
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Miscellaneous > Off-Topic

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-16-2013, 12:48 PM   #4851
TurismoLou
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 9480
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region: International
Location: Man of Mystery
Vehicle:
2011 Wrangler Unlim.
Anti-hybrid

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by usfsfire42 View Post

Idiocy at its best.
If you want to call yourself an idiot I don't have a problem with it. But you shouldn't be too hard on yourself.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
TurismoLou is offline  
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 04-16-2013, 12:51 PM   #4852
usfsfire42
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 242630
Join Date: Mar 2010
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: .
Vehicle:
.. Flu shot
technician.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TurismoLou View Post
If you want to call yourself an idiot I don't have a problem with it. But you shouldn't be too hard on yourself.
sighhhh.
usfsfire42 is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 01:04 PM   #4853
EnterTheDragon
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6511
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: West of the Atlantic
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by V3rtigo View Post

You are the exception. Most that I've seen are a success at drinking the milk but a failure in the gym.
That must be why rippetoe recommends it, cause the majority fail. I'm guessing your buddies would fail in the gym milk or no milk.
EnterTheDragon is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 01:08 PM   #4854
SCGT
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 34644
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix AZ
Vehicle:
2007 BMW 335i
Silver

Default

Stop being ****ing nancys. Get your calories in and see what happens. You're not going to be a fatass overnight, you've been skinny for years. Try something different. Recognize the common denomenator; all these weight gain strategies are just more calories gift wrapped in easy ways to do it, some healthier than others. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. I don't know anyone who added a substantial amount of body weight drug free eating super clean. Accept the fact that you may get some fat, recognize that you're very easily able to lose weight if things were to get out of control (they won't, *****) and lift fork to mouth. Every word you type, every internet board you search for methods, every extra set you do is all wasted time, energy and space until you fix the primary problem that's been plaguing you; you aren't eating enough.
SCGT is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 01:20 PM   #4855
SCGT
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 34644
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix AZ
Vehicle:
2007 BMW 335i
Silver

Default

Another thing. Not to over state my own accomplishments, but there are a few guys in this thread that have earned their dues. Then there are a few guys like myself that have done more than any of you idiots have ever done and likely will do. If you don't want to listen to good solid advice, and you don't want to progress, you're stupid. For all the cry babies, I'm not talking about people with identified and different goals (i.e. Neek, those trying to keep in a weight class for health reasons not "just because", Sharkbait, etc) I'm talking about this: If your goal is to add strength and size, then what morning are you going to wake up and decide to take that step and DO IT?!?!?

You have good advice available. You have examples of some training logs. Some guys, like Sheen, have incorporated this learing and used it to advance their own lifts, while on their own terms. Sheen OUGHT to add 40 lbs to his frame and get crazy but that's just my opinion. He's doing quite well for himself. You other idiots are mostly just saying "good job" to each other for your stupid 100 lb deadlift. Jesus Christ. I'm all about congrats for hard work, but this thread has turned into more of a blowfest than anyone actually learning anything and making progress.

I benched 425 yesterday, after drinking way too much, on a ****ty bench, on 3 hours of sleep after working all day and a pec injury. You know what? That's ****. It's nothing. I'm just coasting a long, having fun, doing my thing. I'm not asking anyone how to get stronger. I'm not stating that my goals are to be bigger. I'm just doing my thing. Ask Dave how seriously I've been training. I'm done competing, at least for now, sure I'll show up in a couple weeks but I have done what I wanted to in the sport. If I can do that, the what the **** are you guys doing blowing each other for a 200 lb deadlift?

Get your ****ing head in the game and go make some progress. No more good jobs for sub par lifting. It's not a ****ing good job. It's **** and you know it. Listen, you start off benching 100 lbs, you suck, period. You move that up to 130, I'll MAYBE give you a nod if you do it fast enough. That gets to 200 and you're going somewhere. You get stuck 225 ish and you have experience from a guy that's pressed 650 in competition, 500 raw, you're an idiot and wasting your time. Go post on a different board in a different section because you don't care about lifting.

Progress is essential, otherwise you're just going to the gym. If you want to train, that's different.
SCGT is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 01:25 PM   #4856
usfsfire42
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 242630
Join Date: Mar 2010
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: .
Vehicle:
.. Flu shot
technician.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCGT View Post
Another thing. Not to over state my own accomplishments, but there are a few guys in this thread that have earned their dues. Then there are a few guys like myself that have done more than any of you idiots have ever done and likely will do. If you don't want to listen to good solid advice, and you don't want to progress, you're stupid. For all the cry babies, I'm not talking about people with identified and different goals (i.e. Neek, those trying to keep in a weight class for health reasons not "just because", Sharkbait, etc) I'm talking about this: If your goal is to add strength and size, then what morning are you going to wake up and decide to take that step and DO IT?!?!?

You have good advice available. You have examples of some training logs. Some guys, like Sheen, have incorporated this learing and used it to advance their own lifts, while on their own terms. Sheen OUGHT to add 40 lbs to his frame and get crazy but that's just my opinion. He's doing quite well for himself. You other idiots are mostly just saying "good job" to each other for your stupid 100 lb deadlift. Jesus Christ. I'm all about congrats for hard work, but this thread has turned into more of a blowfest than anyone actually learning anything and making progress.

I benched 425 yesterday, after drinking way too much, on a ****ty bench, on 3 hours of sleep after working all day and a pec injury. You know what? That's ****. It's nothing. I'm just coasting a long, having fun, doing my thing. I'm not asking anyone how to get stronger. I'm not stating that my goals are to be bigger. I'm just doing my thing. Ask Dave how seriously I've been training. I'm done competing, at least for now, sure I'll show up in a couple weeks but I have done what I wanted to in the sport. If I can do that, the what the **** are you guys doing blowing each other for a 200 lb deadlift?

Get your ****ing head in the game and go make some progress. No more good jobs for sub par lifting. It's not a ****ing good job. It's **** and you know it. Listen, you start off benching 100 lbs, you suck, period. You move that up to 130, I'll MAYBE give you a nod if you do it fast enough. That gets to 200 and you're going somewhere. You get stuck 225 ish and you have experience from a guy that's pressed 650 in competition, 500 raw, you're an idiot and wasting your time. Go post on a different board in a different section because you don't care about lifting.

Progress is essential, otherwise you're just going to the gym. If you want to train, that's different.
*squints*
Hey. da fuq.
usfsfire42 is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 01:26 PM   #4857
usfsfire42
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 242630
Join Date: Mar 2010
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: .
Vehicle:
.. Flu shot
technician.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCGT View Post
Stop being ****ing nancys. Get your calories in and see what happens. You're not going to be a fatass overnight, you've been skinny for years. Try something different. Recognize the common denomenator; all these weight gain strategies are just more calories gift wrapped in easy ways to do it, some healthier than others. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. I don't know anyone who added a substantial amount of body weight drug free eating super clean. Accept the fact that you may get some fat, recognize that you're very easily able to lose weight if things were to get out of control (they won't, *****) and lift fork to mouth. Every word you type, every internet board you search for methods, every extra set you do is all wasted time, energy and space until you fix the primary problem that's been plaguing you; you aren't eating enough.
I need to apply this in some form
usfsfire42 is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 01:33 PM   #4858
SubieLuvin
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 248202
Join Date: May 2010
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Vehicle:
2013 WRX Sedan
SWP

Default

When I started as a trainer 2.5 ish years ago I was 168 lbs and no matter how hard I focused in the gym I couldn't put on any size to save my life. Once I started focusing on what i was eating i started to see the scale move slowly. Now at 230 at 6' ish. I did this by eating cleanishhhh. Not just chicken and rice. I ate a bunch of clean food but also ate out from time to time, made frozen pizzas, taco night at home, etc. Prior to my 455 dl last night I ate 10 chicken nuggets, large fry, and a burger.... Just to get the calories in since I didn't get to eat at work all day.

If you are eating to grow you should be tired of eating before bed, period. Especially if you are trying to do it with ALL clean food. Dave can give thousands of examples of why calories in calories out is over simplified, but it is a start. Eat big, lift big, and sleep. You'll grow. Start putting on the weight THEN adjust. I also noticed a difference when I began depending less on shakes.

Not that I am a guru by any means. But I'm 21 and I've been busting my ass lately and continue to gain, more than ever honestly. My work ethic in the gym has Not really changed, what I do outside has made the difference... Although cliche that is my .02

Edit. Not jabbin at Dave just an example of someone who knows nutrition. Point I'm trying to make is you can get help in the specifics and science of it, but without the basic principle it is pointless. As pops stated as well.
SubieLuvin is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 01:36 PM   #4859
Tweeter
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 162238
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Louisville, CO
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by usfsfire42 View Post
I need to apply this in some form
It's pretty basic dude. The harder you work, the more calories you need. The more calories you eat, the bigger you get. I didn't gain 30 pounds overnight by wishing, waiting, hoping, and jacking off to YouTube lifting videos.

If you need some skinny jeans though let me know, I can probably help you out with those.
Tweeter is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 01:43 PM   #4860
godfather2112
Papi Chulo
Moderator
 
Member#: 53794
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Boner kill city
Vehicle:
... White Magic
Jesus Underwear

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tweeter View Post
It's pretty basic dude. The harder you work, the more calories you need. The more calories you eat, the bigger you get. I didn't gain 30 pounds overnight by wishing, waiting, hoping, and jacking off to YouTube lifting videos.

If you need some skinny jeans though let me know, I can probably help you out with those.
Weird, that's how I gained 30lbs.
godfather2112 is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 01:49 PM   #4861
Max_Power
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 79929
Join Date: Jan 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: RSN
Vehicle:
THE -=OT=-

Default

Let me add something too. Iím a guy whoís had to fight genetics. I lifted for years with no direction and no gain. I eventually found this thread, and dabbled for a while with SOME of the advice. Once I realized who to take advice from, which I feel is very easy to decipher in this thread, I finally started to see gains.

I graduated college at 6í2Ē, 155 pounds, nine years ago. 3 years ago I was only 185. I now weigh in, on a good day, at 215 pounds. It ainít all muscle, trust me. However, I feel more accomplished doing that than anything Iíve ever done, barring my career.

I have friends, acquaintances and random gym goers ask my advice. Itís always the same. Make a goal and go for it. Now, I donít blindly tell people to pick a goal out of a hat, but I ask them what, exactly, it is they want. I find that question to be the hardest damn question for anyone to answer. There are all sorts of ďI wanna look like this guy (insert Hugh Jackman and his tiny-ass-no-squatting legs)Ē or ďI wanna lose belly fatĒ or ďI wanna look good for SummerĒ. To me, and Iím sure the experts here might disagree, arenít well-enough defined goals.

Once I made a concrete goal, I stuck with it, and went all-in. Itís not that hard people. Just make it part of your life. I tell that to everyone. One of my really good friends keeps asking me how to work out. I give him a routine (5/3/1), and tell him if he wants strength and size, to follow the 5/3/1 and eat everything in sight. Somehow, telling a person to eat big and smash ****ing weights isnít simple enough for most people, and they start sweating the small stuff. Maybe Iím jaded since Iíve been there, but I wish ten years ago I had a Cronic/Pops/Tim near me or on speed dial to tell me to eat and smash weights. I always wonder where I coulda been if I had that advice.

My biggest complaint is everyone who says ďwell, thatís easy for you to say/doĒ when I say eat and lift. Itís ****ing insulting to anyone who put in the effort. Do they think Pops benched 600 raw cause he was born to bench? **** no. It takes massive time and effort.
Max_Power is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 01:55 PM   #4862
V3rtigo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 262020
Join Date: Oct 2010
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Milwaukee
Vehicle:
2013 STi-Limited
PBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EnterTheDragon View Post
That must be why rippetoe recommends it, cause the majority fail. I'm guessing your buddies would fail in the gym milk or no milk.
If you are reading starting strength odds are you aren't the average bench bro looking for an easy way to get big. Heck if you are squatting you aren't average. I've just seen GOMAD as a blanket response to every little guy that wants to get big too often, regardless of their training program. My response was a knee jerk reaction and now that I look back I see that the guy you recommended this to would probably benefit from it.



PS I'm in a minor plateau around 225 for work sets on bench right now. Not terribly concerned because it hasn't been that long and I had a nasty stomach flu that set me back further than I would have thought.


Barbell Bench Press:
135 lb x 12 reps (+79 pts)
185 lb x 10 reps (+109 pts)
205 lb x 7 reps (+117 pts)
225 lb x 4 reps (+110 pts)
245 lb x 1 reps (+76 pts)
Barbell Incline Bench Press:
185 lb x 5 reps (+94 pts)
155 lb x 8 reps (+88 pts)
155 lb x 8 reps (+88 pts)
155 lb x 8 reps (+88 pts)
Standing Barbell Shoulder Press (OHP):
95 lb x 8 reps (+78 pts)
135 lb x 4 reps (+83 pts)
135 lb x 4 reps (+83 pts)
135 lb x 4 reps (+83 pts)
135 lb x 4 reps (+83 pts)
Dumbbell Side Lateral Raise:
30 lb x 8 reps (+37 pts)
30 lb x 8 reps (+37 pts)
30 lb x 8 reps (+37 pts)
30 lb x 8 reps (+37 pts)
Incline Cable Flyes:
150 lb x 8 reps (+33 pts)
150 lb x 8 reps (+33 pts)
150 lb x 8 reps (+33 pts)
150 lb x 8 reps (+33 pts)
Push-Up:
25 reps (+37 pts)
25 reps (+37 pts)
Close-Grip Barbell Bench Press:
135 lb x 12 reps (+79 pts)
135 lb x 10 reps (+77 pts)
135 lb x 8 reps (+75 pts)
135 lb x 5 reps (+66 pts)

BW = 162 (gaining a little bit of my pre flu weight back)
V3rtigo is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:02 PM   #4863
SCGT
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 34644
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix AZ
Vehicle:
2007 BMW 335i
Silver

Default

Minor correction to Max_Power; 500 raw was my best in competition. I did 650.3 in a bench shirt in competition. In a shirt I had done 700 twice and 705 once. 600 raw was always about 100 lbs off. lol
SCGT is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:03 PM   #4864
cronic
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 9749
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Vehicle:
-

Default

Speaking of weight. Somehow I was 203 this morning. Looks like the 198's aren't unrealistic after all.
cronic is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:10 PM   #4865
Tim K.
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 214
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Sumter, SC
Vehicle:
2014 Massey Ferguson
Red

Default

Glad to see Pops back on form with a 425 lbs bench and a rant worthy of being read more than once.
Tim K. is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:18 PM   #4866
Neek
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3400
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2016 Red Pirate Cat
1981 CJ-7

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cronic View Post
Speaking of weight. Somehow I was 203 this morning. Looks like the 198's aren't unrealistic after all.
Are you hydrated enough that you can suppress ADH and get there?
Neek is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:24 PM   #4867
SCGT
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 34644
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix AZ
Vehicle:
2007 BMW 335i
Silver

Default

If he shaved his eyebrows he could make the 181's.
SCGT is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:25 PM   #4868
Neek
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3400
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2016 Red Pirate Cat
1981 CJ-7

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCGT View Post
If he shaved his eyebrows he could make the 181's.
I shave my back and I'd certainly be good
Neek is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:25 PM   #4869
cronic
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 9749
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Vehicle:
-

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCGT View Post
If he shaved his eyebrows he could make the 181's.
If you died, and your decomposing corpse sat in the sun for a month, you could make 242.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neek View Post
Are you hydrated enough that you can suppress ADH and get there?
I am pretty hydrated but I am going to start ramping water up friday. 1.5-2gal of distilled water.
cronic is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:26 PM   #4870
usfsfire42
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 242630
Join Date: Mar 2010
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: .
Vehicle:
.. Flu shot
technician.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neek View Post
Are you hydrated enough that you can suppress ADH and get there?
How does that have anything to do with it
usfsfire42 is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:30 PM   #4871
XanRules
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 157348
Join Date: Aug 2007
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Benghazi
Vehicle:
1996 JNCO Jorts
Stonewashed Denim

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EnterTheDragon View Post
Then those people weren't giving it enough in the gym. Some fat gain is expected but balls of fat? Gomad was rad for me except I caught some gnarly reflux once I stopped.



Need to keep your water intake up as well

I had a dude on Fitocracy get real mad at me a few days ago for telling him that trying to bulk while not gaining any fat was counter-intuitive. He was rustled as ****.

Also, weight gainer shakes just seem like a waste of ****ing money to me, am I totally incorrect in this assessment?
XanRules is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:31 PM   #4872
cronic
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 9749
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Vehicle:
-

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by XanRules View Post

Also, weight gainer shakes just seem like a waste of ****ing money to me, am I totally incorrect in this assessment?
Pretty accurate.
cronic is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:32 PM   #4873
SCGT
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 34644
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix AZ
Vehicle:
2007 BMW 335i
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cronic View Post
If you died, and your decomposing corpse sat in the sun for a month, you could make 242.


That's a bit optimistic. Unless you're allowing for vultures feeding. Then your estimate is spot on.
SCGT is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:32 PM   #4874
Neek
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3400
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2016 Red Pirate Cat
1981 CJ-7

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by usfsfire42 View Post

How does that have anything to do with it
How does what have anything to do with what?
Neek is offline  
Old 04-16-2013, 02:34 PM   #4875
SCGT
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 34644
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix AZ
Vehicle:
2007 BMW 335i
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neek View Post
How does what have anything to do with what?
Why are you wasting time? Aren't you a doctor or supposed to be smart? Have you not learned from my mistakes and wasted efforts?
SCGT is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2018 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2017, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.