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Old 03-04-2013, 12:46 PM   #2351
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and eat donuts weeping while touching myself and looking at a picture of Ryan V.
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Ryan V's elbows have been bothering him during extension movements. He asked for a tricep movement that is less stress than skullcrushers. I suggested rolling db extensions. He counters that the motion is very similar to skullcrushers, thus the stress is similar, and he'd give me $20 to prove him wrong. I already gave him a verbal beat down. Tim K? Want to drive the nail in the coffin?
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Ryan V's elbows have been bothering him during extension movements. He asked for a tricep movement that is less stress than skullcrushers. I suggested rolling db extensions. He counters that the motion is very similar to skullcrushers, thus the stress is similar, and he'd give me $20 to prove him wrong. I already gave him a verbal beat down. Tim K? Want to drive the nail in the coffin?
Laughing too damned hard to form a coherent sentence... When do you get your $20?
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:31 PM   #2355
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Perfect. The loads are almost the same. You are bending at the elbow in the same way that you are bending at the elbow when you do a skull crusher. The only difference is you "cheat" a little out of the bottom. So, it is almos like a SC and the loads are almost the same. True story. A correlation between and incline bench and SOHP isn't going to fly.
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Not very similar at all.

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Perfect. The loads are almost the same. You are bending at the elbow in the same way that you are bending at the elbow when you do a skull crusher. The only difference is you "cheat" a little out of the bottom. So, it is almos like a SC and the loads are almost the same. True story. A correlation between and incline bench and SOHP isn't going to fly.
First off the grip is entierly different. Secondly you are not bending the elbow in the same way. The rolling DB extension drops the elbow in a position where it is tucked close to the body eliminating the sheering force of the skull crusher. It is also pressed back up from a position more like a close neutral grip bench press.

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Old 03-04-2013, 01:32 PM   #2357
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So you would like a tricep movement that doesn't involve bending at the elbow?
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Ryan really is mentally feeble... true story.
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I don't mind so much that he's not intelligent, what bothers me is that he's stupid and argumentative.

Once more, the stress on the elbow reaches a maximum at the greatest joint angle (i.e. the bottom). The mechanism of this increased stress is both leverage, as well as the reversal strength required to change bar direction.

In a rolling db extension, the dumbbells are lowered to the bottom position, and partially slowed down by your body mechanics as you reach full range of motion. The first part of the lift is to strongly drive your elbows towards your feet. It is not an extension. The elbows are rapidly pulled towards your feet to give the dumbbells momentum. Once the elbows are driven down, you just keep the dumbbell moving. There is a huge decrease in tendon stress, as the primary initial movement puts the elbow in traction -little to no stress on triceps.

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I am not stupid.
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Look, I don't want you to be stupid any more than you want to be stupid. It's stupid to challenge me on lifting mechanics. It's like challenging you on not taking supplements, or missing bench presses above 225. You're an expert.
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..and instead of arguing, fetus could have gone to the gym and tried a skullcrusher then rolling dumbbell extension and figured out what the difference was through experience. Then the little light bulb would have gone off in his head and he would have realized that rolling dumbbell extension, by their very design, are easier on the elbows.

In other news, Rich Froning's best Olympic lifts would probably get him gold in the Olympics... if he were a 165 lbs woman.

Men's Fitness article with Rich:

Men's Fitness - What are your numbers like on the big three (Bench, Squat, Deadlift)?

Rich - I try to stay away from doing a lot of the max effort stuff, but once in awhile, I’ll lift some heavy stuff. Deadlifts are like 525. Around 425 for squats. Bench 335, clean and jerk 335, snatch 270.

Men's Fitness - Well that actually leads into our next question quite nicely. You’re putting up great numbers, some that are close to competitive powerlifting numbers.

Rich is a f'n machine - but he really isn't all that strong.
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you use weight heavy enough to hurt your elbows?
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I am just weak in all aspects of lifting.
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I am just weak in all aspects of lifting.
There's your #1 problem. Right there.
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I am just weak in all aspects of lifting, including experience, knowledge, and common sense.
Then why in the hell are you arguing with a f'n World Record holder?
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..and instead of arguing, fetus could have gone to the gym and tried a skullcrusher then rolling dumbbell extension and figured out what the difference was through experience. Then the little light bulb would have gone off in his head and he would have realized that rolling dumbbell extension, by their very design, are easier on the elbows.

In other news, Rich Froning's best Olympic lifts would probably get him gold in the Olympics... if he were a 165 lbs woman.

Men's Fitness article with Rich:

Men's Fitness - What are your numbers like on the big three (Bench, Squat, Deadlift)?

Rich - I try to stay away from doing a lot of the max effort stuff, but once in awhile, Iíll lift some heavy stuff. Deadlifts are like 525. Around 425 for squats. Bench 335, clean and jerk 335, snatch 270.

Men's Fitness - Well that actually leads into our next question quite nicely. Youíre putting up great numbers, some that are close to competitive powerlifting numbers.

Rich is a f'n machine - but he really isn't all that strong.
I'd bet that bold line is simply the stupid writer using 'powerlifting' to mean 'olympic weightlifting'. He's nowhere near competitive powerlifting numbers. He is certainly edging nearer to top USA level competitive weightlifting numbers in his weight class with his 670 total (snatch/C&J). But always remember that USA weightlifting is garbage on the world stage. His numbers aren't impressive on an international level either.

What makes his 300/370 impressive is that he doesn't just train weightlifting. He also runs like the wind and has a metabolic engine that has no off switch.
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Today would have been a[nother] good gym pictures day. As I was finishing up, two women showed up. Woman A (early 20s) had a super cute face, and a killer donk-a-donk... from the side. Like, remarkable. Then she turned 90 degrees and I could physically feel myself go <pokerface.jpg>
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Because YOLO, bitch
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I'd bet that bold line is simply the stupid writer using 'powerlifting' to mean 'olympic weightlifting'. He's nowhere near competitive powerlifting numbers. He is certainly edging nearer to top USA level competitive weightlifting numbers in his weight class with his 670 total (snatch/C&J). But always remember that USA weightlifting is garbage on the world stage. His numbers aren't impressive on an international level either.

What makes his 300/370 impressive is that he doesn't just train weightlifting. He also runs like the wind and has a metabolic engine that has no off switch.
Rich is currently the best at CF - period. They really do not need to compare his numbers to powerlifting or weightlifting. That isn't what he does. He does CF and that is where he excels.

USA Weightlifting is pretty crappy. Football gets most of the best athletes in the US. Almost every school in America has a football program. The freaks are usually filtered into that - or another organized stick and ball type of sport. That is where the money and prestige are.
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A 300kg total for Rich at the 2012 US Nationals would have placed him 7th out of the 12 lifters in the 94kg class that finished with a total. Again while not impressive on the world scale of weightlifting, for a guy who trains so many other things it's pretty cool.

On the USA vs. the world in weightlifting John Broz had a great interview last week...worth the read, because it's pretty interesting:

http://www.jensinkler.com/brain-pick...ith-john-broz/

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But, if you’re coming from a point of necessity, you can’t fail because you never see that as an option. You won’t allow yourself to fail. So when you look at things from point of necessity — “I must do this. I don’t have an option” — you can’t fail. Those people always succeed.

“I want, I want” is different than, “I need. I know I have to.” If you come from a poor country, and you must do this to support your family and have a place to live, or they’re going to execute your family or provide food to eat, you’re going to train when you don’t want to train. You’re going to hate your coach just like you hate your job, but you’re going to go to work and you’re going to try as hard as you can because you have to. It’s not a choice.

The problem here in this country is people are hobbyists. They want to be great: “I would love to do this. I want to make a team.” Yeah, you want. You don’t need to, and that’s the difference. If I asked you this simple question — it’s been all over the net, I think Bret Contreras even posted it in his article about me — but if you said, “Hey, if you were on an island, and everything was paradise and you could train whenever you wanted, how often would you train?” Everyone basically spout the information that has been brainwashed with: “I would train three days a week. I would max once every so often.”

Now, you’re in the cell. You’re locked up. Everyone you love will be executed if you don’t hit a certain weight by a certain date. Are you going to still train three days a week?

“No, I’ll train every day.”

“Why?”

“Because, well, I have to.”

“Well, no ****.”

If you have to, now it’s different.

Jen: Yeah. Sold.

John: It’s kind of like the doctor telling you, “Hey, you’re going to die in six months if you don’t quit smoking cigarettes right now.” All of a sudden, now you find the willpower to quit smoking. Well, where did that come from? Well, because now it’s not a desire anymore. Now it’s a necessity: I can’t do this or I’m going to die. When you have that mentality going against people that simply have a desire mentality, you’ll beat them every time. That’s really what it comes down to, so it’s not a matter of training differently. It’s training with a different mindset.

Jen: Yeah. Well, your perspective changes.

John: Everything changes. How you see failure, how you view what you have to do, how you feel when you train when you’re tired, all those things go out the window because it’s different now because you have to succeed. There’s not an option, so either you go to emergency room because you broke something, and if that’s the case then you get it fixed and you go right back to the gym, or you’re in the gym. What’s the choice?

That’s another difference here. Most people don’t want to admit that they’re lazy or that they made a mistake. If people believe something their whole lives and then somebody else brings a different point to their attention, even if it does make logical sense to them, they refuse to accept it because if they did accept it, they’ll also have to admit that they were wrong. They’d have to think back about all the years they trained and say, “Maybe I could have trained harder. Maybe it was up to me, and I could have done more,” instead of using the excuse, “Oh this guy took drugs. He’s got better genetics. I did all I could. It wasn’t my fault. I did what I could.” They don’t want to admit the truth that, “Hey, you know what, maybe I could have trained a little harder, maybe I could have been better.”
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Being capable of doing it, doing it in an oly meet, and doing it in an oly meet and passing the drug test are all 3 seperate things. Talented althlete for sure though, I have trained with guys like that (not at his caliber obviously... no one but him is), on max effort days when they wanted to work on strength and they're usually fun.
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A 300kg total for Rich at the 2012 US Nationals would have placed him 7th out of the 12 lifters in the 94kg class that finished with a total. Again while not impressive on the world scale of weightlifting, for a guy who trains so many other things it's pretty cool.

On the USA vs. the world in weightlifting John Broz had a great interview last week...worth the read, because it's pretty interesting:

http://www.jensinkler.com/brain-pick...ith-john-broz/

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Read and liked the article. It was good stuff.

I had to drop all the way down to the 56 kg weight class to find a WR total of 305 kg... So, the best man at CF is equivalent in strength to a 56 kg man (or a 75 kg woman). Yep, that is forging Elite Athletes!

Total 305 kg MUTLU Halil 14.07.1973 TUR 16.09.2000, Sydney

Olympic Weightlifting is an extremely, extremely technical sport. The only way to excel is from thousands and thousands and thousands of repetitions under the watchful eye of a great coach. You don't get there by being a hobbyist.
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