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Old 12-20-2024, 04:51 PM   #1
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So, do the folks here feel this makes it worth it? $6500 less. Or not really since it's just adjusting for the credit that was taken away?



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Old 12-20-2024, 05:09 PM   #2
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Seems alright, Would've liked to see an increase in range. We're above 1700 elevation and varies all the way up to 9600ft. Had a Solterra Loaner for a couple days, and I was only able to get 187miles (Which to be fair, could have something to do with how other people drove it before me) out of the full charge. I think if you're a flatlander (Below the snow line, but likes to drive into it on the weekend), good car for that. Just make sure the place you're going has a charger.
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Old 12-20-2024, 05:36 PM   #3
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Just a nice solid reminder that these "rebates" were actually just eaten up by the manufacturers artificially raising MSRP's.

Even attempting to help our citizens out by using a tax break incentive instead of cash, manufacturers still found a way to suck up taxpayer money.

Glad I got my EV with a rebate and an extra 6K off msrp, because clearly that's actually what it's worth.
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Old 12-21-2024, 12:47 AM   #4
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Just a nice solid reminder that these "rebates" were actually just eaten up by the manufacturers artificially raising MSRP's.

Even attempting to help our citizens out by using a tax break incentive instead of cash, manufacturers still found a way to suck up taxpayer money.

Glad I got my EV with a rebate and an extra 6K off msrp, because clearly that's actually what it's worth.
Everyone's EV's besides Tesla's have razor thin margins.
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Old 12-21-2024, 04:01 AM   #5
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In Europe the BZ4x and the solterra have the Panasonic battery. And soon it Will be available with a new 80 kWh battery.
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Old 12-21-2024, 03:45 PM   #6
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Last EV I would choose. It’s slow, heavy, minimal range, and not visually appealing.
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Old 12-21-2024, 07:52 PM   #8
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Last EV I would choose. It’s slow, heavy, minimal range, and not visually appealing.
What's the better option that can still do the things it can do? Your particular statement goes for every Subaru model. You can go get something faster. More range. Lighter. Looks? Well that's never been a Subaru thing. But, what is out there that gives you all the capability the Solterra does for the same(now lower) price?
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Old 12-21-2024, 08:38 PM   #9
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What's the better option that can still do the things it can do? Your particular statement goes for every Subaru model. You can go get something faster. More range. Lighter. Looks? Well that's never been a Subaru thing. But, what is out there that gives you all the capability the Solterra does for the same(now lower) price?
You have a point if you’re not willing to spend more money.. not many options with ground clearance. But you get what you pay for and I wouldn’t buy an EV just because it’s cheaper than the rest, and if I was forced to stay at Solterra price point, I just wouldn't get an EV to start with, or I’d buy a Tesla. You don’t have the ground clearance with the Tesla but it would be fine If you’re not off-roading and just driving on winter roads.

Solterra is not where it’s at, but I suppose you’re right in the sense that you’re gonna have to spend more to get something better that’s capable off-road.
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Old 12-23-2024, 08:06 AM   #10
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What's the better option that can still do the things it can do? Your particular statement goes for every Subaru model. You can go get something faster. More range. Lighter. Looks? Well that's never been a Subaru thing. But, what is out there that gives you all the capability the Solterra does for the same(now lower) price?
Yes, agree. It drives and performs much better than anyone thinks. No, it does not win in one item. But overall, it is a great car. I live in Europe and our Panasonic battery is the better one I agree. My power consumption was 18 kWh /100km. In winter 21 kWh/100 km. Not bad at all...
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Old 12-23-2024, 01:49 PM   #11
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Everyone's EV's besides Tesla's have razor thin margins.
Not if Subaru was able to drop their MSRP by $6,5000 to exactly match losing the tax rebate. They had $6,500 per car built into those "razor thin margins".
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From a marketing standpoint it is better to have a lower MSRP. Not everyone knew about the lease loophole. This also makes it available to finance/cash (dear lord) buyers.
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The dealers were advertising the lease loophole, I used it very knowingly. No way a dealer wouldn't pursue it for a buyer.

Still doesn't get rid of the fact that clearly the MSRP of the cars up until now were inflated and the consumers didn't really get any benefit.
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The dealers were advertising the lease loophole, I used it very knowingly. No way a dealer wouldn't pursue it for a buyer.

Still doesn't get rid of the fact that clearly the MSRP of the cars up until now were inflated and the consumers didn't really get any benefit.
Yes, but if you are an average shopper looking at a website, or at a window sticker, it isn't as obvious.
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Old 12-23-2024, 05:21 PM   #15
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Yes, but if you are an average shopper looking at a website, or at a window sticker, it isn't as obvious.
I dunno, it was on my dealer's website. It was also calculated into the lease rate advertised on the manufacturer's site. They wanted people to know they were getting 6500 off... unfortunately they actually didn't, they just helped the manufacturer pocket 6500.

Tesla did this a while back on their expensive models that were priced out of the rebate and everyone gave them crap for it too. Now it's the other manufacturers' turn to catch flack for it.
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I dunno, it was on my dealer's website. It was also calculated into the lease rate advertised on the manufacturer's site. They wanted people to know they were getting 6500 off... unfortunately they actually didn't, they just helped the manufacturer pocket 6500.

Tesla did this a while back on their expensive models that were priced out of the rebate and everyone gave them crap for it too. Now it's the other manufacturers' turn to catch flack for it.
What? When you lease an EV today the $7,500 is applied towards the lease and lowers the payment.

But, you have to make contact with the dealership to figure that out. If you are just shopping and looking at MSRP, you might think the Solterra is too expensive and never consider it.
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What? When you lease an EV today the $7,500 is applied towards the lease and lowers the payment.

But, you have to make contact with the dealership to figure that out. If you are just shopping and looking at MSRP, you might think the Solterra is too expensive and never consider it.
Go to Subaru's website. This is literally on the front page of the Solterra's page.

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This is not hidden information, Subaru is using it to market the car to people, yet they've clearly inflated the MSRP of the car to reflect the tax payer paid incentive that's intended to be for consumers, not for manufacturers. If a consumer didn't realize they were receiving $7,500 off to lower their lease payment, it's not because Subaru didn't tell them. A 6500 drop in price will actually reflect a 1000 increase to consumers on pretty much the day that trump takes office... so yeah.. whatever. Just pisses me off. Business is business and free money is free money, but it didn't end up in the intended pockets. Pretty typical. Might as well just give it direct to the manufacturers like we do the oil subsidies, just pay them their profits instead of making consumers think they're getting anything.

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If a consumer didn't realize they were receiving $7,500 off to lower their lease payment, it's not because Subaru didn't tell them.
"...including $7,500 incentive for eligible leases."

That word highlighted stops me from even stepping foot in the dealer to discuss it. It's a weasel word and Subaru does NOT clearly define what "eligible" means, not even in the disclaimer below it.
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Go to Subaru's website. This is literally on the front page of the Solterra's page.



This is not hidden information, Subaru is using it to market the car to people, yet they've clearly inflated the MSRP of the car to reflect the tax payer paid incentive that's intended to be for consumers, not for manufacturers. If a consumer didn't realize they were receiving $7,500 off to lower their lease payment, it's not because Subaru didn't tell them. A 6500 drop in price will actually reflect a 1000 increase to consumers on pretty much the day that trump takes office... so yeah.. whatever. Just pisses me off. Business is business and free money is free money, but it didn't end up in the intended pockets. Pretty typical. Might as well just give it direct to the manufacturers like we do the oil subsidies, just pay them their profits instead of making consumers think they're getting anything.
Yes, they all inflated their MSRP because they knew the $7,500 was available. None of them offered a compelling EV at a good price, and let the discount further assist the consumer. None of them.

But, I'd rather the MSRP be lower than offer a discount that is NOT known to everyone. It's just not. It can be on websites, emails, sky writing, etc. People are stupid and oblivious.

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"...including $7,500 incentive for eligible leases."

That word highlighted stops me from even stepping foot in the dealer to discuss it. It's a weasel word and Subaru does NOT clearly define what "eligible" means, not even in the disclaimer below it.
Bingo.
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Old 12-26-2024, 11:47 PM   #20
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All this talk about profits and "Subaru" lowering the price. Was it not Toyota that lowered theirs first? How do you sell the "same" car that much higher? Seems Subaru didn't have a choice.
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Don't know if this would warrant it's own thread; so, I'm putting it here.

Looks like SOA is getting ready for more EV releases.

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Don't know if this would warrant it's own thread; so, I'm putting it here.

Looks like SOA is getting ready for more EV releases.

https://media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=2261&mid=1
Rivian is certainly a great company for Subaru to poach from. Similar buyer-demographics.
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Rivian is certainly a great company for Subaru to poach from. Similar buyer-demographics.
They hired SOA's communication guy way back in their beginnings. Kinda seems fitting.
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They hired SOA's communication guy way back in their beginnings. Kinda seems fitting.
That was a very smart idea as well.
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They hired SOA's communication guy way back in their beginnings. Kinda seems fitting.
that guy was fired from Subaru. I don't think he's at Rivian anymore either.
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